I didn’t think AOC was a presidential candidate until after the primaries.
Maybe we shouldn’t be counting our chickens before they hatch.
Reminder that we live in a notably bigoted nation that has problems with women and people of color in positions of authority. Reminder that a lot of voters have issues with young and still relatively inexperienced politicians running for president. Not conservatives. They don’t give a fuck who they run for president. But other voters want experience. Reminder that to win we need to get some independents on our side and they definitely aren’t going to vote for a far left candidate if they vote left at all. Reminder that at this point, every time we lose, our democracy becomes much, much more threatened by the forces that want it gone.
I like AOC… What I don’t like is continuing to lose and watching our democracy erode.
Based on our bigoted nation, as far as my opinion is concerned, our current best bet to ACTUALLY WIN is Mark Kelly. He is male. He is white. He is more moderate. He has military service. He is a senator. He stood up to Trump in court and won. He is married to a politician who was shot in the head during an assassination attempt and survived. He has the experience and independents and bigots can vote for him without feeling like they’re betraying their beliefs.
And despite my OPINION I’m not posting posts pretending to assume he’s the chosen Democrat candidate for president years before the primaries even happen.
Running right-wing candidates hasn’t been working, and these “far left” candidates have been very popular. Maybe they should try it for a change. (I don’t see stuff like universal healthcare as “far left”, but I’m aware the US political spectrum has been fucked by both parties.)
What I don’t like is continuing to lose and watching our democracy erode.
What do you think these losses are caused by? I thought it was moving to the right and alienating your base, but that seems to be what you want.
In no American reality is Mark Kelly right-wing. Neither was Kamala. The right in America has pulled so far right at this point that no Democrat candidate could be considered right wing.
and these “far left” candidates have been very popular.
Like Bernie Sanders, who lost the POPULAR VOTE in both primaries by a wide margin? Bernie was not as popular as the internet suggested, and I’d be willing to bet AOC isn’t either. And she has nowhere near the experience, and I’d argue charisma, Bernie has. And, as I mentioned above, woman and not white. Sucks, but that’s our trashcan nation.
Maybe they should try it for a change.
Hey, I’m onboard. Most of America isn’t though.
What do you think these losses are caused by?
Not great candidates? An avalanche of propaganda unlike the world has ever seen? Dem’s failure at effective messaging? The issue isn’t that we aren’t going far left enough. That’s just going to drive a significant chunk of voters away in this country. Going ultra far works great for a bigot fear-based conservative voter base. Not gonna work for a more nuanced liberal/independent voter base.
I thought it was moving to the right and alienating your base
The only widespread alienation I’ve witnessed is the Israel thing. That was a complicated geo-political situation that a bunch of people who fail at seeing the forest for the trees let drive a wedge between them and voting for what was best for our country. And now we have blatant fascism. Which I believe we will get more of if we keep gambling with super left candidates with other qualities that have been proven to be negative in this bigoted nation of ours.
MARK Kelly is pretty conservative by democratic standards, he admits to it. and he defends zionism as of recently tainting his potential of a future presidency.
kamala was a woman, and poc, its enough for men to not vote for her, and yes its due to sexism. her stances on “israel/gaza” is pretty secondary to most voters, and only useful for muslim populations, like in michigan.
To be clear, Mark Kelly isn’t my favorite choice. Just the option I think is most likely to win as of right now. I’d love to join the far left bandwagon and scream AOC from the rooftops, but I’ve been around long enough to know she’s extremely unlikely to win the big one.
nah, the problem is that when a woman runs her entire campaign is, “I’m a woman”
Obama wasn’t like, “I deserve to win because it’s my time! I’m black”; he was just a chill ass dude who happened to be black
If democrats would stop with the victim hood shit and just focus on the fact that they’re generally good people who want to do good things, they’d win a lot more
That wasn’t true for either Clinton or Harris, the only two women to run for President for a major party AFAIK. It also true for Palin, who was a Vice Presidential candidate (so next in line for President).
The fact that all you saw was a woman running may say something about your information sources?
“New and relatively inexperienced” come now, can we not do this nonsense?
Begging for useless, “safe” centrist candidates is why the US is the way that it is. Mamdani and Al-Sayed and the other progressives seeing support is happening in real-time, so take this weird-ass attitude and shove it.
“New and relatively inexperienced” come now, can we not do this nonsense?
You saying something is nonsense doesn’t make it so. AOC would be the youngest president in U.S. history if elected. Her only experience is being a member of the House for 7 years. Only ONCE IN AMERICAN HISTORY (1880) has someone been elected president directly from the House. And I’m not going to accept the argument about Trump having no experience. Liberals are not conservatives. Conservatives openly support felon rapist pedophiles who regularly violate our Constitution and this is not the first time they’ve elected a TV personality to be president. There is no valuable comparison between us and them.
Begging for useless
How is Mark Kelly useless? He has more experience than AOC and has qualities that connect him with a higher percentage of Americans. The internet doesn’t represent reality. If it did Bernie Sanders would be president. Just because AOC is liked on Reddit/Lemmy doesn’t mean she stands a better chance than Mark Kelly or makes him “useless”.
centrist
Mark Kelly wants to abolish the filibuster in order to pass voting rights legislation. He wants to increase the minimum wage. He is pro choice. He wants to codify Roe v Wade. These are definitely left leaning beliefs.
Mamdani and Al-Sayed and the other progressives seeing support is happening in real-time
Mamdani can never win a national election because he can never become president. He won an election in a DEEP blue area of our country. Al-Sayed has not won the governorship yet. And winning a governorship is a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME to winning a national election in which he’d have to get racist ass middle America to vote for him, or not vote against him, which simply wouldn’t happen.
so take this weird-ass attitude and shove it.
Nah kid. You need to stop allowing your EMOTIONS to dictate your beliefs and start accepting the reality you live in and work within that reality to get as close as possible to what you want. Because enough other people exist in this world that don’t want what you want to keep you from having exactly what you want. And the fact that far left candidates and 3rd parties keep losing on a national scale should be enough proof for you. Because right now you don’t seem to grasp the difference between a national, federal election and every other election.
Zohran Mamdani only had 4 years of experience before becoming a highly effective mayor of fucking New York City, are you high off your fucking balls?! Experience doesn’t mean jack shit if it’s just been decades of being terrible at your job. Being old doesn’t mean jack-shit unless you’re old and bitter that younger people are better than you at stuff.
I’m talking specifically about you walking in here feeling yourself up because you don’t have any fight left in you. Yes, I’m sure this Kelly fella wouldn’t be the end of the world but oh my god ya’ll are fucking cowards. Frankly, so are us Canadians for the exact same reasons. You lose because you’ve decided you’re gunna lose before anything has even started, and you lose because the only thoughts in your head are based on propaganda.
“I would vote for _____ but they might not win so…“ actually piss off to the bottom of the ocean.
Zohran Mamdani only had 4 years of experience before becoming a highly effective mayor of fucking New York City, are you high off your fucking balls?!
Again. You fail to see the difference between a mayoral election in a deep blue city and a national election involving millions upon millions of bigots in the right geographical areas to win a national election.
We cannot have a meaningful interaction until you are able to discern between the two.
If you are an adult, you have to accept that different candidates have different qualities and those qualities can make them more or less electable based on the type of election they are in. If you vote for someone that doesn’t have electable qualities within the system the election is taking place, you are wasting your vote.
You’re just shitting all over quality candidates because you’re terrified of losing. You have this backwards logic of “I will only support them when they get support” and, if you truly believe that, you expect others to follow it as well. But if everyone follows it, where does that leave you?
By not supporting someone, you are contributing to what people see as “electable qualities” and YOU are saying that something can’t be done. This is how centrists, who are really just conservatives, have become so fucking pervasive.
Weird.
I didn’t think AOC was a presidential candidate until after the primaries.
Maybe we shouldn’t be counting our chickens before they hatch.
Reminder that we live in a notably bigoted nation that has problems with women and people of color in positions of authority. Reminder that a lot of voters have issues with young and still relatively inexperienced politicians running for president. Not conservatives. They don’t give a fuck who they run for president. But other voters want experience. Reminder that to win we need to get some independents on our side and they definitely aren’t going to vote for a far left candidate if they vote left at all. Reminder that at this point, every time we lose, our democracy becomes much, much more threatened by the forces that want it gone.
I like AOC… What I don’t like is continuing to lose and watching our democracy erode.
Based on our bigoted nation, as far as my opinion is concerned, our current best bet to ACTUALLY WIN is Mark Kelly. He is male. He is white. He is more moderate. He has military service. He is a senator. He stood up to Trump in court and won. He is married to a politician who was shot in the head during an assassination attempt and survived. He has the experience and independents and bigots can vote for him without feeling like they’re betraying their beliefs.
And despite my OPINION I’m not posting posts pretending to assume he’s the chosen Democrat candidate for president years before the primaries even happen.
Running right-wing candidates hasn’t been working, and these “far left” candidates have been very popular. Maybe they should try it for a change. (I don’t see stuff like universal healthcare as “far left”, but I’m aware the US political spectrum has been fucked by both parties.)
What do you think these losses are caused by? I thought it was moving to the right and alienating your base, but that seems to be what you want.
In no American reality is Mark Kelly right-wing. Neither was Kamala. The right in America has pulled so far right at this point that no Democrat candidate could be considered right wing.
Like Bernie Sanders, who lost the POPULAR VOTE in both primaries by a wide margin? Bernie was not as popular as the internet suggested, and I’d be willing to bet AOC isn’t either. And she has nowhere near the experience, and I’d argue charisma, Bernie has. And, as I mentioned above, woman and not white. Sucks, but that’s our trashcan nation.
Hey, I’m onboard. Most of America isn’t though.
Not great candidates? An avalanche of propaganda unlike the world has ever seen? Dem’s failure at effective messaging? The issue isn’t that we aren’t going far left enough. That’s just going to drive a significant chunk of voters away in this country. Going ultra far works great for a bigot fear-based conservative voter base. Not gonna work for a more nuanced liberal/independent voter base.
The only widespread alienation I’ve witnessed is the Israel thing. That was a complicated geo-political situation that a bunch of people who fail at seeing the forest for the trees let drive a wedge between them and voting for what was best for our country. And now we have blatant fascism. Which I believe we will get more of if we keep gambling with super left candidates with other qualities that have been proven to be negative in this bigoted nation of ours.
MARK Kelly is pretty conservative by democratic standards, he admits to it. and he defends zionism as of recently tainting his potential of a future presidency.
kamala was a woman, and poc, its enough for men to not vote for her, and yes its due to sexism. her stances on “israel/gaza” is pretty secondary to most voters, and only useful for muslim populations, like in michigan.
To be clear, Mark Kelly isn’t my favorite choice. Just the option I think is most likely to win as of right now. I’d love to join the far left bandwagon and scream AOC from the rooftops, but I’ve been around long enough to know she’s extremely unlikely to win the big one.
nah, the problem is that when a woman runs her entire campaign is, “I’m a woman”
Obama wasn’t like, “I deserve to win because it’s my time! I’m black”; he was just a chill ass dude who happened to be black
If democrats would stop with the victim hood shit and just focus on the fact that they’re generally good people who want to do good things, they’d win a lot more
That wasn’t true for either Clinton or Harris, the only two women to run for President for a major party AFAIK. It also true for Palin, who was a Vice Presidential candidate (so next in line for President).
The fact that all you saw was a woman running may say something about your information sources?
“New and relatively inexperienced” come now, can we not do this nonsense?
Begging for useless, “safe” centrist candidates is why the US is the way that it is. Mamdani and Al-Sayed and the other progressives seeing support is happening in real-time, so take this weird-ass attitude and shove it.
You saying something is nonsense doesn’t make it so. AOC would be the youngest president in U.S. history if elected. Her only experience is being a member of the House for 7 years. Only ONCE IN AMERICAN HISTORY (1880) has someone been elected president directly from the House. And I’m not going to accept the argument about Trump having no experience. Liberals are not conservatives. Conservatives openly support felon rapist pedophiles who regularly violate our Constitution and this is not the first time they’ve elected a TV personality to be president. There is no valuable comparison between us and them.
How is Mark Kelly useless? He has more experience than AOC and has qualities that connect him with a higher percentage of Americans. The internet doesn’t represent reality. If it did Bernie Sanders would be president. Just because AOC is liked on Reddit/Lemmy doesn’t mean she stands a better chance than Mark Kelly or makes him “useless”.
Mark Kelly wants to abolish the filibuster in order to pass voting rights legislation. He wants to increase the minimum wage. He is pro choice. He wants to codify Roe v Wade. These are definitely left leaning beliefs.
Mamdani can never win a national election because he can never become president. He won an election in a DEEP blue area of our country. Al-Sayed has not won the governorship yet. And winning a governorship is a WHOLE DIFFERENT BALLGAME to winning a national election in which he’d have to get racist ass middle America to vote for him, or not vote against him, which simply wouldn’t happen.
Nah kid. You need to stop allowing your EMOTIONS to dictate your beliefs and start accepting the reality you live in and work within that reality to get as close as possible to what you want. Because enough other people exist in this world that don’t want what you want to keep you from having exactly what you want. And the fact that far left candidates and 3rd parties keep losing on a national scale should be enough proof for you. Because right now you don’t seem to grasp the difference between a national, federal election and every other election.
Zohran Mamdani only had 4 years of experience before becoming a highly effective mayor of fucking New York City, are you high off your fucking balls?! Experience doesn’t mean jack shit if it’s just been decades of being terrible at your job. Being old doesn’t mean jack-shit unless you’re old and bitter that younger people are better than you at stuff.
I’m talking specifically about you walking in here feeling yourself up because you don’t have any fight left in you. Yes, I’m sure this Kelly fella wouldn’t be the end of the world but oh my god ya’ll are fucking cowards. Frankly, so are us Canadians for the exact same reasons. You lose because you’ve decided you’re gunna lose before anything has even started, and you lose because the only thoughts in your head are based on propaganda.
“I would vote for _____ but they might not win so…“ actually piss off to the bottom of the ocean.
Again. You fail to see the difference between a mayoral election in a deep blue city and a national election involving millions upon millions of bigots in the right geographical areas to win a national election.
We cannot have a meaningful interaction until you are able to discern between the two.
If you are an adult, you have to accept that different candidates have different qualities and those qualities can make them more or less electable based on the type of election they are in. If you vote for someone that doesn’t have electable qualities within the system the election is taking place, you are wasting your vote.
You’re just shitting all over quality candidates because you’re terrified of losing. You have this backwards logic of “I will only support them when they get support” and, if you truly believe that, you expect others to follow it as well. But if everyone follows it, where does that leave you?
By not supporting someone, you are contributing to what people see as “electable qualities” and YOU are saying that something can’t be done. This is how centrists, who are really just conservatives, have become so fucking pervasive.
Prediction that you’ll forget this when Harris runs again.