Two years ago, Zainab Bibi Ahmed thought she had turned her back on the Democrats for good.
People like that helped get Trump elected. Harris was far from the ideal candidate, but she would have been far and away better than Trump.
You win with the electorate you have, not the one you want.
People are idiots. Expect this.
If it’s this easy to win them back and the Democrats couldn’t even bother, who’s the real idiot? They thought they could discard these votes and found out they couldn’t. Figure out how to continue treating them like people with understandable sorrow about the genocide in Gaza, or keep losing 🤷♂️
There can be more than one idiot in a given situation
Words to live by
there are idiots, and then there are idiots with power. i never understand the people who protect the idiots with power and blame the idiots without.
I’m afraid people really prefer binary thinking so you’ll need to pick just one side being idiots. Sorry. Thats just humans for you.
If it’s this easy to win them back and the Democrats couldn’t even bother, who’s the real idiot?
You’ve hit the nail on the head for why so many people have been upset and frustrated with how terrible the dems are. They’d rather lose votes to stay center than do anything that keeps voters voting for them
Centre
It’s the USA, there is Right and Far Right, you’ve never ever had anything close to a left wing.
What makes you think they were genuinely trying to win? They have no interest in changing the status quo. It’s been very good to them.
What makes you think they were genuinely trying to win? They have no interest in changing the status quo. It’s been very good to them.
And that’s why they were genuinely trying to win. Centrist Dems are all about the status quo. This isn’t the status quo.
didn’t seem to be bothering them that much. the democrats have shown no onus to fight for the status quo. now progressives? watch them sweat to stop that from happening. the progressives already won in a land slide? watch as they keep spending money and time and effort into undermining him at every turn.
trump removes person hood from immigrants? thats a stern letter. fuck the democraric party
That’s the Democrats’ corpo faction
The progressives and the democratic socialists are the one who are fighting tooth and nail to make things better for us
the DNC is the corporate faction. they are spending all their money to harass their own base. and until they are all replaced, it will continue to be their DNC.
you don’t remove the corporate faction by voting blue no matter who.
you remove them by voteing blue only when it’s a progressive
Right, the party that controls none of the pieces of the Federal government is definitely the one responsible for what’s happening in the Federal government. 🙄
that is correct yes. you seem to have a short memory. do you not remember the shut down? the stern letters, the state reps being told to return to give republicans quorum? just because they are not the driving party does not mean they are not complicit, and biden showed no interest in curbing the republicans during his time. currently the democrats are spending themselves to nothing in their fight against their own progressives, so that even if the progressives win they can ensure their doners that the progressives would have no budget. they would rather republicans win then progressives
Yeah, the Democrats want to lose. Everyone who voted for Trump or abstained is helping them.
I say we should foil their plan by getting them elected against their will. Last time America elected a Democrat, the stress of the job gave him cancer. Be proud of yourselves, Americans; you killed Joe Biden. And you can do it again to the next bastard!
If it’s this easy to win them back and the Democrats couldn’t even bother, who’s the real idiot?
Abdul and the other progressive candidates winning the nominations this year are not because “the Democrats” are trying when they weren’t before, it’s because the electorate came out to vote in the primaries when they did not before. The nominees are selected by the voters who come out during the primaries. So when the electorate isn’t showing up to pick the nominee, then they shouldn’t complain about the party “running” bad nominees.
Looks like slightly less people showed up, actually (typical for a non presidential primary):
https://apps.npr.org/primary-election-results-2024/states/MI.html
https://apps.npr.org/primary-election-results-2026/states/MI.html
Michigan has open primaries and there was one uncontested Republican running this year, look at the total votes in 2024 vs 2026 and not just the blue numbers.
Yeah comparing to 2022 would be better. I can’t seem to find that on the NPR site, though it doesn’t appear to list the actual turnout percentage, just the number of votes. I have this site but it doesn’t break it down by party and doesn’t have 2026 data yet. It shows 27% primary turnout for Michigan in 2022 and 24% in 2024.
https://statesunited.org/resources/voter-turnout-since-2000/
With turnout that low in the primaries, it really shouldn’t take a big surge for progressive voters to tip the scales away from neoliberal incumbent/establishment candidates.
Everyone is an idiot. The Dems, the voters, the pollsters, the Republicans, everyone. Me included.
I’m not
That’s exactly what an idiot would say!! grips tinfoil hat more tightly
It’s also what a genius would say taps head
Nobody is immune to propaganda.
People could also show up to primaries. People could have been showing up for the past several decades.
This is not a situation that has just spontaneously happened, this has been happening since voting has been a thing.
The reasons those democrats have the power they do is because we keep letting them.
What primary?
The DNC made sure that the primary in 2024 was a joke. Even here so many people were like “how are you go against Biden! He’s the only one!”
Only, I could list off dozens of reasons why he fucked up and wouldn’t have won. (Failed to get a Trump conviction is a big one, for example.)
The whole reason he bowed out was because his campaign was clogging the shitcan, and Kamala sidelined the best thing that happened to her campaign, and proceeded to toe the corporate line saying she wouldn’t have changed anything.
(Easy dodge: “with the benefit of hindsight, of course there are things I’d change. But as I’m currently VP, I need to support my president, so please ask the next question.”)
And then there’s the whole genocide thing, and yeah. We all have lines we can’t cross.
Every state and local primary? Every congressional primary?
You know there’s an election more than once wvery four years, right? And those other elections tend to have a much greater impact on individuals than any national election.
But sure, the president is literally the only election that ever matters. And while you didnt cross that line, plenty of other people who did show up were more than happy to. Only they chose the much worse options.
You understand that the DNC threatened all of the well known candidates? And look what happened to the one guy who did- dean Phillips is no longer a credible politician.
So yes. Every state. Now stop being obtuse.
Figure out how to continue treating them like people with understandable sorrow about the genocide in Gaza, or keep losing
True.
But there’s more than one perspective. Do you, as a political party or government as a whole, abandon an ally you have all sorts of ties with because a sub-section of your voters don’t like that country anymore? I mean the answer is yes if you know you’ll lose enough voters to lose elections, but there’s no way they could have known that.
The proper method is to start drawing lines with the ally and see if they cross them. Biden essentially did that. Maybe not as aggressive as necessary. He did verbally state he was against what Israel was doing. He did float arms shipment cancellations to Israel. He did try to broker a peace deal. These were reasonable steps. What was unreasonable was a ton of voters expecting a full disconnection from Israel or they would not vote or vote 3rd party, which would only help a much, much worse president from taking control and giving Israel/Netanyahu two big thumbs up to do whatever they wanted.
Yeah, it’s because of the Democrats’s corpo faction
They are ones who write sternly worded letters and do nothing to stop trump
You win with the politicians you have, not the ones you want.
Both are to blame.
this is demonstrably incorrect. seems it must be the politician you have AND is the one you want.
Here’s something I’ve wondered about for a while now: Why do some voters have to be assiduously courted, and it’s a failure of the candidate if she doesn’t win them over, while for other voters the blame falls on the voters if they don’t fall in line and vote for the candidate?
Why do some voters have to be assiduously courted
Because they’re children trapped in adult bodies and want what they want, when they want it, or they’re going to throw a fit and it’s someone else’s fault.
It was a prosecutor that ran on inclusion for a party that supports social programs and is better for our economy vs a felon rapist pedophile traitor who only talks about himself running for a party that kills social programs and regularly violates our Constitutional rights and a TON of grown ass adults said “I’m not going to vote or I’m going to vote for a 3rd party candidate with no path to victory unless Kamala speaks to me personally”.
Like, how fucking dumb can people be? You’d be lucky if ONE presidential candidate truly spoke to you during your entire fucking life. Grow up. Make smart decisions whether they’re exactly to your liking or not.
I’ve spent over 4 decades in this country and I can tell you that there is a BIG problem with adults not acting like adults. And that’s a big reason why we are where we are.
Spicy! I usually don’t see people drag centrists like this. I like it!
Yeah, well, you’ve gotta be pretty dumb to be a centrist in this climate. Centrism is for political times that aren’t this fucked. Riding the fence doesn’t fix anything in the situation we find ourselves in.
The nice thing about blame is it’s an infinite resource. We can always make more of it. That’s why I blame the politicians and the voters.
Didn’t the DNC send Bill Clinton to Michigan and when confronted about the lackluster response of the DNC against the genocide, he started telling the attendees that it’s Israel’s right to the whole thing and they were there first? To a room full of Arab Americans?
Yes, you’re right, the Democrats and the voters both suck.
One fuckup doesn’t erase the other, that’s just whataboutism. Or in kindergarten terms: two wrongs don’t make a right.
If you think people suck if they don’t behave like perfectly rational, unemotional robots 100% of the time and vote strategically for the sake of harm reduction after being insulted and told their lives don’t matter directly to their face then you must have a very cynical and bleak view of humanity as a whole.
When the message from Dems is “No, your family in Palestine has to die because AIPAC gave me a fat check. Vote for me or else Trump will be even worse, and if you don’t everything he does is your fault,” I can hardly blame people for responding irrationally, and blaming them is pointless anyway because it won’t change anything. When there is shared responsibility for something it’s your choice where to assign blame, and you should assign it somewhere useful.
Harris would have been far better than Trump is a bit line saying “Joe, the car thief, is better than Mike, the serial mass murderer”
If Harris had won, the Democratic party would have kept in it’s corrupt, corporate minion state.
A silver lining in the Trump disaster is that the Demicrat establishment is being shaken.
EDIT: I was going to correct “Demicrat”, but considering that “demi” means half, I’m going to keep it that way.
“Joe, the car thief, is better than Mike, the serial mass murderer”
Except not at all.
One was a successful prosecutor that brought justice to a lot of shitty people/organizations and was a candidate for a political party that creates/supports social programs.
The other was a convicted felon, adjudicated rapist, and probable pedophile that instigated a violent insurrection to overthrow our government, spends every day of his life attempting to weaken our nation by sowing hatred between its citizens, and works for a political party that destroys social programs and sends masked agents into American’s neighorhoods to shoot them in the fucking face.
You need to work on your comparisons.
Both were pro-genocide.
Cool story.
Your comparison is still shit because both candidates and both parties are nowhere near the same. Your simple mind is trying to simplify something that isn’t that simple. Both candidates didn’t even have the same stance on the genocide. One was/is much, much more approving of it.
One of them started it - do you remember that? If anything Bidden / Harris would have been more committed to it - it was ideological for them - Trump just doesn’t care - he’s as likely to get annoyed with Bibi and change sides because he gets distracted.
Joe the car thief is leagues better than Mike the serial mass murderer though
That’s the point.
Turns out Harris is a bad candidate
Turns out Harris is a bad candidate
And Americans are stupid.
Both these things can be true at the same time.
Harris also received 48% of the popular vote. She didn’t win, but that kind of turnout doesn’t make a candidate a bad candidate. There just happens to be a lot of Americans that think a felon rapist pedophile with one failed presidency under his belt was a better option.
Yeah, this unfortunately
From an outsider looking in,
Trump may have been necessary to get America on the right track. Had they voted Kamala in, things wouldn’t change. She even said that on the campaign trail.
If you boil it down to the barest of reasons, Trump was voted in because people wanted change. He’s a liar, a scumbag, and a rapist, and as much as you and I think the other side is dumb as fuck for voting him in, both sides realize that change is needed.
Now that Trump has been allowed to fuck things up so bad it seems that Americans are actually learning how their political system works and doing what they should have been doing all along. (Mainly voting in primaries, from my POV.)
I hope the upcoming elections reel him in (Preferably all the way to jail) and you guys can actually get people working to improve the country. Keep it up, Americans.
He was also already president from 2017-2021. Apparently everyone just forgot what a fucking disaster he was back then.
He had more people to say no to him back then, so the bad effects he had on non-politically engaged voters were not as obvious.
Yeah.
Imagine eating bad meat, getting sick and shitting yourself almost to death. Then eating more of that bad meat once you feel better.
I don’t have a lot of faith in Americans anymore.
Swap out lettuce for meat and that’s basically where we are right now. No imagination necessary.
I hope the upcoming elections reel him in (Preferably all the way to jail) and you guys can actually get people working to improve the country. Keep it up, Americans.
You have a lot more faith in Americans than I do.
Source: I’m American. There are a lot of very, very dumb people here.
I agree, but now it’s two years later, and that same attitude with get similar results. The democrats need to do way better than just “not as bad as trump”.
We’ll see how this all pans out.
Harris was far from the ideal candidate, but she would have been far and away better than Trump.
I agree and was furious with those who kept that stance. I respected them still.
We would be better today but the progressives and DemSocs could be the change our country has been truly needing. If Harris won it wouldn’t be as bad now but it would all be very much status quo since the 80s.
We have an opportunity because of the bullshit we’re dealing with.
We shall see.
i would argue harris would stand by the status quo left by trump, because that’s what biden did.
There would be no argument from me, that was my point. Unsure if I was clear on the intent of my reply.
If we survive this fascist coup, what we’re going through may be a blessing. If Harris would have won things would not change.
We need to hit bottom, burn it down to rebuild with clearer vision of an equitable society.
INRI; all things are renewed with fire
i am all for forward thinking. starving the DNC until they give up is the only step forward that i see. giving what the dnc wants gives us what we always get from them, republican policies. i dont think hitting rock bottom will change the opinions of the dnc doners, but the voter? i can only hope.
fuck vote blue no matter who, vote blue only if they represent your interests, else tell them to fuck off.
Wraith it’s so fucking complex, simple taglines will not do.
Here’s my stance; if primaries are over support the lesser of two evils. Yes the whole system is corrupt and the DNC is a slave to corporations, beholden to them before the people they represent. This was proven by not supporting Bernie. Fuck them.
Fuck the Greedy. Old. Pedophiles. even more. They’re pure fucking evil, never forgive or forget what they’ve done.
So if it’s Red or Blue, then always Blue.
i voted blue no matter who for harris, i am not doing it again.
you still advocate voting blue not matter who and you also note that doing so gives the dnc the power to push rightward and attack their own progressives. at this point i believe starving the dnc out is the only path forward, as painful as it will be in the short term.
You have been banned from lemmy.dbzer0.com
I do think it’s a bit ludicrous that much conflict in the Threadiverse stems from discussions about Israel and Palestine when the vast majority of users are pro-Palestine in one form or another, merely having differing views in the context of being pro-Palestine.
Far less divides the users here than many might think. People letting those differences get to their heads and not being willing to engage with each other civilly is harming the platform.
If anything, it’s comments and users like the one you’re replying to that I hold chiefly responsible.
Yeah, I have a lot of similar interactions in other topics too here. I agree with the mainstream anti-AI opinion, but I do so in a way many people dislike. From My point of view I hate use of AI for one more reason in addition to the usual ones, but other people think I’m defending AI because I won’t play the Red vs Blue game.
People want to sort the entire world into the good team and the bad team, and I’m sick of it. In any given situation, there are probably at least 4 different sides with their own agendas of varying compatibility.
It can usually be measured by how much injection is done with other topics to Israel-Palestine.
People typically agree that Zionists are doing a genocide. It’s where equivalences are made by pivoting discussion into things like Xinjiang or Ukraine in a lazy or vague way.
It’s that maneuver that typically sparks argument.
screenshot taken 08.11.2024
Yeah, I’ve been paying attention for the past 3 years as Hexbear infiltrated dbzer0 and engaged in a systematic campaign to convert its users. But it only really became obvious to the average user last month when one of the dbzer0 admins denied the Uyghur genocide and stepped down. She got propagandised. The same thing is in the process of happening to every dbzer0 admin and power user, and I fear they will not accept the warnings until they’ve already swallowed the whatever-colour pill.
If you want to understand how they do it, watch Ian Danksin’s (Innuendo Studios’) How To Radicalise A Normie. Tankies are literally just red alt-right, the strategies are the same.
systematic campaign to convert its users.
Please, there was a systemic campaign that was outed and it was by Zionists against db0 admins.
Actual doctored images being spread around the Fediverse faking db0 out to be Neo-Nazis.
So whenever I see these instance wide accusations I can’t help but wonder how aware or involved the user was with that.
Well, I think My country should be building missiles to launch at IDF bases, I’ve attended about a dozen pro-palestine protests, held a picture of a Gazan baby who was on the verge of death by starvation at one protest… babies aren’t supposed to look like that. I’ll spare you the discomfort of seeing that picture. I have nothing to do with any zionists, and again, this isn’t Red vs Blue. Being targeted by one group of baddies doesn’t make you the goodies. It doesn’t make anyone with a criticism against you aligned with each other. The world is more complicated than that.
Horseshoe theory was always correct.
What’s your point?
Yea these people are fuckin idiots lol
If we weren’t stuck in this two party system, the Democratic party would have been made obsolete a long time ago.
And the Republican party too tbh. Tea Party, Maga, centrist neolibs, whatever the Mormons are doing, those are all their own brand of conservative
they all became one party, there isnt a split in the gop. they realize they need to combine forces or they will lose elections. something the dnc isnt willing to figure out.
BS.
Establishment dems aren’t even pretending to throw a bone to progressives anymore.
The only thing establishment dems give progressives is “we are the (slightly) less of two evils — vote for us or we will become even more evil.”
Republicans get something for their vote, even if it’s sadistic cruelty.
Progressives get nothing but blame when the “electable” candidates lose.
And establishment Dems say “vote blue no matter who!” until they actually have to vote blue — then they vote for Republicans: https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/mike-rogers-touts-democratic-defectors-161402279.html
There really need to be viable 3rd, 4th, 5th+ parties, plus an expansion of the number of representatives at all legislative bodies.
The concentration of representation at the Federal and state levels has made it easy to be captured by concentration of wealth.
When the Constitution was written in 1776, the US had about 2.5 million people.
Our current population in 2026 of about 350 million makes the House statistically identical to the Senate in terms of power share per member.
The same goes for most state legislative bodies.
For comparison
- EU: 751
- India: 543
- Brazil: 514
There is no evidence of a mass (or even mid) exodus of left voters in any recent elections. This narrative that has been crafted where Democrats blame the left for losing is societal cancer.
The left vote is both an inconsequential amount of voters that the Democrats shouldn’t cater to at all while also being so large in size it’s entirely responsible for them not winning.
Really the problem is the Democrats haven’t gone far enough right. The Republican party in their rush into actual god emporer fascism has left an entire quadrant of racist right wing voters completely free for the picking! Suckers.
I apologise for the dark satire. I do think a better world is possible. Sometimes it’s just harder to see than others.
It was Biden/Harris, that helped Trump get elected.
And before that the DNC encouraged Trump because they thought he’d be easy for Hillary to win against.
https://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-reveals-dnc-elevated-trump-to-help-clinton/
Yes, because voters have absolutely no responsibility to weigh their options and make educated decisions.
Jesus christ with the gate keeping and purity testing… They are hurting the left, they are hurting us who try, and they hurt the Palestinian people.
Wait until they discover a single thing they don’t like about Abdul.
Asking your politicians not to support genocide isn’t a purity test.
only because of the shutdown last year, most of the DNC made it clear they sided with israel, and by extension gop policies. if they resisted the shutdown longer the gop would suffer far more politically. the gop got everything they ever wanted from that deal.
Be prepared. The propaganda machine is gonna be ramping up to full soon.
I am afraid what AI will do to worsen the situation.
just like they did with zohran, but they had to back down, because its giving him more ammo.
I like how this comments section perfectly sums up the democratic party.
Two denialists who think he’s fake and a copist about Harris’s loss
The left likes to pretend that only the right are easily manipulated but it’s pretty obvious that it impacts everyone regardless of beliefs, the packaging is just different. Not sure if there are easy solutions.
The lesser of two evils argument is platonic. So it’s older than Jesus and at the same time no one has come up with anything better.
So to me people who abstain from voting are objectively wrong.
That is objectively wrong. It assumes that every election is independent - which they are not. The ‘lesser evil’ is to lock democrats out of power until they run non-genocidal candidates. The short term sucks, but in the long term it is much much better.
Yeah there’s no
effectiveagreeable way to protest a party you’re mostly aligned with in a two party state. They use your and their mutual “enemy” to hold your vote hostage.You vote in primaries at minimum. Even better, get involved with your local Democratic party group to push for and advocate for what you seek… or run for something yourself.
The “party” isn’t some homogeneous thing, it’s just a lot of loosely aligned folks trying to move in generally the same direction.
Check and check. I also wish “party” wasn’t such a thing in representative democracy. Like even within the most progressive leftist parties the candidates very wildly
Yes - the democrats rely on the argument that since they are fractionally to the left of the republicans you have no where to go.
You have it backwards. If the republicans had no chance of winning, then there can be a split within the Democrats.
Absolute bullshit if you think the Republicans winning is “lesser of two evils” in any sane universe.
It’s absolutely the lesser of two evils. If the democrats had won we would have no chance of a non-genocidal candidate in 2028. Right now we have that possibility.
Sure, yeah. It’s a lesser evil to vote in a madman that kills countless people around the world, built literal concentration camps, threatens all of your allies, dismantles your intelligence networks, steals/defrauds billions out of the American people, and absolutely destroys your country’s foundations for generations to come. How silly of the rest of the world. We should have understood that it’s a lesser evil to vote in a man that randomly blows up boats of civilians, while funnelling the stolen wealth of his comrades in efforts to dismantle the democracies and destroy the economies of your greatest allies in order to subjugate them.
SMH, some Americans are so bizarre and self-centered. There’s many of y’all that have brains, but people like you are no different than MAGA.
Stopping genocide has a cost. A cost that the democrats imposed on us by being more willing to let Trump win than renounce crimes against humanity. Let’s hope they have learned their lesson.
Uh huh, sure. I honestly don’t believe you at this point because what you’re saying is so evil and moronic that it legitimately does not even make sense. You’re destroying the world and supporting the murder of countless more people in order to … provide greater support for the exact genocide you claim you dislike? Sure buddy.
Pick up your red hat and stop larping on the internet. You’ll be kept warm in hell.
The genocide that Biden and Bibi started. I care about stopping it. If you don’t - then that’s something you need to examine. The democrats forced this on us - I wish they hadn’t, but they did.
Do you have historical examples of your strategy being viable? Because to me what’s going to change things is public perception.
And once it does the same people for genocide will suddenly be against genocide. I can think of countless examples in American history. Like gay marriage.
History shows us that no regime has just ‘decided’ to give up on genocide once it has a taste for it. The democrats were never going to stop on their own - they had to be stopped - like every other genocidal regime. Locking them out of power until they renounce genocide is the only historically viable approach.
Just point to an example of your strategy working in history. Otherwise you’re trying to convince me with wishful thinking.
There has never been an example of a genocidal regime deciding to stop. They have all had to BE STOPPED. That’s my example - every single case in history.
It’s easy to play games with other people’s lives.
I’m sure that is what Harris and Biden are wrestling with. If only they had valued those lives when they had the chance to save them.
America has been doing that since its birth lol
you cant have it both ways
They LEFT the Democrats? What happened to Vote BLUE no Matter WHO!
-People who said to vote INDEPENDENT when THEIR Blue lost the Primary!
I still contend these abandon people are complete and abject morons that deserve what they got with their absolutely asinine decision.
Still glad they took their heads out of their asses and that the Democratic voters also took a bit of their heads out of their asses.
That November, Ahmed – a resident of Troy, Michigan, and an academic staffer at Wayne State University – opted to vote for the Green party’s Jill Stein amid calls to punish Democrats over the administration’s support for Israel.
So, vote for the self-admitted Russian proxy candidate. What a choice.
If you didn’t vote or voted for a candidate with no path to victory over Gaza/Palestine then you never cared that much about Gaza/Palestine.
I promise you every Palestinian is very, very upset Donald Trump is running the show and slobbing on Netanyahu’s knob.
If you wish to share this or any other opinion expressed by an actual Palestinian or person who can speak to their opinion through first hand knowledge, please share.
Otherwise, please recognize that they are not characters in a fictional story for you to write your own opinions onto. They are human beings desperately fighting to be heard and have their agency respected.
This assumes that every election is independent - which they are not. The ‘lesser evil’ is to lock democrats out of power until they run non-genocidal candidates. The short term sucks, but in the long term it is much much better.
I hate to say it, but the non voting people appear to have been right all along. Unless and until we seize control of the democratic party. Something we could do with a little organization. Don’t let these vote blue no matter who people put you down, we know what’s up.
That said I still do vote democrat. But I am increasingly apoplectic about it. Our path is unsustainable. There is no lesser of two evils in truth, the democrats are controlled opposition and the republicans will take back over from them, more extreme than before because the democrats eat Pluto’s thorny cock, then force the population to do so.
Again, one man’s “the short term sucks” is another man’s “and in that short term, my family was murdered by fascists”
It’s easy to be flippant with someone else’s life.
The lessons of the 1940s again. Many brave patriots gave their lives, then as now, in the fight against genocide.
Yes but you’re just a fucking loser on the internet, not some dude charging the Germans at Normandy. Grow the fuck up, kiddo.
Grow up and cheer on a genocide? You have a very strange idea of adulthood.
No, man, just sit there. You’re a fucking hero to us all. Absolute potato.
Its unfortunate, but the democrats forced this.
Speak for yourself Troll. You have nothing to contribute so you just talk shit huh?
