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    1. is an insanely fast learner

    This person very clearly does not understand, even at a basic level, how llms work. They are completely incapable of “learning” outside of training, and training cannot happen while you are using them - in no small part because they require MILLIONS of tokens of data (minimum) to be able to recognize patterns.

    Meanwhile that theoretical stupid kid she thinks should be paying her masters to have her teach them can learn instantaneously from even a single datapoint.

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      She’s wrong about the advantages of AI, but she’s right about how companies are going to see it. It’s true that they’d rather deal with AI than an intern, and it’s true then that internships will fall onto the universities to coordinate like rotations as part of an expensive education system.

      It’s also true that kids are learning how to use AI on their own, and are losing their ability to learn from any datapoints, because why do that if the magic box will give you an answer that sounds correct enough? Ultimately, it doesn’t matter how useless AI is if everyone acts as if it’s as useful as this lady thinks it is.

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        This was already a thing when I went to university over a decade ago. Partnerships with local businesses where university students basically do work placements, completing low-stakes corporate projects as assignments.

        I know this goes against expectation but it was actually really good. I think the difference was that the business actually cared about us, taught us things, and even extended a job offer to people who did well.

        I dunno if that program is still good today, probably not.

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          Yeah, local students do projects for local manufacturing plants to find efficiency improvements. I have second hand knowledge (girlfriend)

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      I’m told that agents these days keep a scratchpad of notes to themselves, so an agent can (kind of) learn about things by making a note about it which it will still have access to later, even outside the formal context window.

      It’s going to be far more limited than the kind of training you’re talking about, but it is something which an individual agent can do

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        That is sort of true, but it still isn’t learning. Basically, it can store information usable by other sessions. But to do so, it just processes that information the same way as a prompt. So less like learning and more like just tacking something on to its context window. So, it never “learns” that information, it just tells itself that thing every time it processes any prompt.

        (don’t downvote MartianSands’ comment - it’s a good point. Shame on you)

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        In my experience, it seems to be limited to previous conversations, and it may be limited in length.

        I pretty regularly delete old conversations, partly with the guide of privacy which I am sure does not actually delete or exist, but also for my own sanity of looking back on projects. And I don’t even use AI that much, it’s all free tier, mostly Claude.

        That said, it will often get “lobotomized” and “forget” things after I delete the source conversation.

        It does remember basic things. Like I use it a lot to help set up Docker containers, so it knows I have a Linux machine and a webserver and a Windows Machine. It knows the Linux box runs Docker and is named Squall. It knows these sort of, generic things, even across conversations. I can open a new chat and say “I want to set up a Wordpress sandbox” and it will ask like “Would you like to use Docker on Squall or run it outside a container with Apache.”

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      Well, no. Models are not “self-learning”. This is unrelated to size of the corpus. In fact, it was proven times and times again, that poisoning a model is not a costly proces.

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    “Cooper AI Co-founder & CEO”

    Why would you expect her take to be anything but brain-dead?

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      Exactly.

      Im pretty sure graduates aren’t beating down her door for the opportunity to work for her.

      Sniffing her own farts too much.

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        It’s 2026 and yes, I can imagine that there are some rich college kids who think paying for an internship with her would be a smart move.

        They’d get a chance to build up contacts and see how she operates.

        Telling the Queen how good her farts smell has long been a path to success.

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        Because, as we all know, the only people who can be adequately replaced by the inference-free prediction machine are business idiots.

        Everyone else has a real job that actually requires real intelligence instead of prediction algorithms.

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          Funny enough, though their jobs would be the easiest to replace, they are “important” in that they can be held legally responsible for business decisions (Responsible Corporate Officer doctrine). That’s partly why they get tens of millions of dollars - so they can take the fall when shit hits the fan (either they fuck the shareholders or majorly break the law).

          This is known as the “Scapegoating Premium” - you are basically paid for the risk of taking on a very public, high liability/visibility position. The corporation pays their legal fees and has insurance to help with this, but it’s compensation for the possibility of legal and reputational damage.

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    If I’m paying to start working for you, you’d better sign a contract guaranteeing my long term employment at a high salary. Otherwise, what’s to stop you from laying me off the second I’m done paying you?

    I’m so tired of these grifters.

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      This will happen. In the UK the government tried to bring back slavery in the early 2010s. Unemployed people were told that they had to work for large corporations just to keep getting their unemployment benefits. It came to about £1.50/hour or so when minimum wage was significantly higher than that.

      Corporations got free labour out of it, tax payers paid the unemployment benefits for the benefit slaves. They often said you may get a full time job at the end of it. You won’t, they will find someone else who is unpaid.

      Oh yeah, and some of those unemployed people used to work there but lost their jobs to unemployed people and then had to join them.

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      Done.

      PS, we are now also making sure you clock in and out on the dot and tracking your keyboard presses per minute for productivity and reserve the right to use any of these things to terminate you for being a “bad” employee.

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      In a lot of the asian world, internship aren’t paid, some you have to pay for it. I guess Jenny is from one of these country.

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    What a valuable contribution from the co-founder and CEO of “Cooper AI”… on a platform for business-type show-offs who have nothing better to do than reinforce each other’s outrageous incompetence…

    So this is the scope of “Cooper AI’s” operations:

    Executives Who Use Cooper Make Better-Informed Decisions. Cooper uses natural language to generate insights and deliver the high-impact opportunities your executive team needs right now.

    I think it’s pretty obvious from this sentence alone that this is nothing more than another front-end that forwards all requests to the actual cloud LLM providers.

    It’s truly absurd that there are people who see any added value in this.

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      No need to do that for this. They can easily use an open model for this work.

      And prompting is like script kiddie shit. That’s the go to when people don’t understand how to train these models.

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      “Generate insights” had me rolling my eyes. If she thinks that’s what they’re doing, she deserves everything that’s coming to her.

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      It’s ok, she made a mistake in the post so it’s all human written. Everything Gaddam thing is just telling us how human she is.

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    Pay peanuts, get monkeys. AI hasn’t changed that equation, so if they think that a grad will accept negative pay and come out the other end skilled, they are on crack.

    Businesses have always paid to upskill young employees, its a cost of being an employer.

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      The problem though is that AI reduces the number of places to work at which will increase the competition between applicants. If some employers start doing this there will be applicants that will pay to get ahead. How big of an issue this becomes depends on how big of a competition AI will place on job seekers.

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        I don’t think AI changes that balance all that dramatically. Any business that won’t hire juniors now, wouldn’t have hired them before, and simply had the “Must have 20+ years experience in [flavour of the month] framework” in their job ads.

        And experience from past jobs hasn’t really counted for anything beyond “They werent stupid enough to get fired”, so paying for experience doesn’t make sense either.

        All that said, regardless of who has the better crystal ball, its a shit time to be a compsci grad…

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          hasnt CS majors had low job prospects for a decade+ already, even back then there were talks on other forums how they cant find jobs.

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            The dude who made Stardew Valley started it as a project in between job interviews after he graduated with a CS degree in 2011. He ended up just finishing Stardew Valley before he got a job…

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      They used to, until many realized that there’s no reason to train fresh grads if you can just poach then from another company after they’ve been trained for a while and if you train your own, they will get poached similarly by someone who wants to skip the training. They’ve been treating it as a zero sum game.

      Increasingly few companies will hire fresh grads now. Naturally, that causes a shortage in people with experience. Not to worry, they’re now complaining about the lack of potential employees with experience and demanding the government to invest money in advertising our country to third world devs and to let them hire foreigners more easily instead of having to look for people here first. So now part of my tax money goes to an initiative to make sure companies can keep not training young devs.

      This had been brewing for years now and I’m disgusted.

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        it was the law of diminishing returns, its the same for bio/biotech. they wanted experienced grads by graduation time, so if you are unable to get into a lab before. your chances are low. employers trying to save money by not “training a entry level/junior” and expecting them already have years of experience upfront. worst now its skewed heavily(rfor bio) gender wise.

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    There is NO legitimate reason to endure the fresh graduate.

    So many incredibly entitled people have never felt the obligation to give to others that which was given to them. These people should be shunned by civil society.

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    What an absolutely unhinged shit take. Even at the most generous interpretation, LLMs are at the capability level of a stupid intern you always have to check and correct, and it doesn’t learn (possible exceptions is narrowly defined problems spaces like coding)

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      And they absolutely do forget things you say. It doesn’t even take that much context.

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    What a fucking bunch of drivel. Without students and fresh grads our company would have been bankrupt a long time ago. They are the ones who bring a fresh perspective to the company (we engineer machines for the beverage industry) because they haven’t been pushed into a specialist position yet, that breaks any kind of creativity. They are the people that spark a lot of our innovations. If we lose that, the company won’t survive for long. AI can’t do that because AI isn’t fucking creative. Fuck AI and fuck this dumb piece of shit for their dumb fucking take on this.

    Sorry for the incoherent swearing, I’m drunk.

    Love you all, have a great day!

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      They’ll probably expect them to take out loans or get money from their parents, same as people in unpaid internships.

      Just one more tool to widen the income gap.

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      The answer is kind of hinted.

      How do you pay for education if you don’t have a job right now? Universities don’t pay their students, don’t they?

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        lol entry level jobs are not university level education. the fact that someone had to type this out to explain it to you says loads about you

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          Of course they are not, did I claim that? Or are you talking with some strawman arguments in your head?

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            How do you pay for education if you don’t have a job right now? Universities don’t pay their students, don’t they?

            just replying to the idiotic shit you wrote bro.

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                  Oh, I am sorry, I was just not aware that you asked for explanation, you just sounded like you wanted to be rude. If you actually capable of having decent conversation, I’d be happy to. Do you though? Or

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    Slopvangelical LLM thumpers are proud of their acquired brain injuries, and believe everyone should be equally enhanced.

    The opinion of anyone impressed with the function or output of a LLM, to the level they believe it is in any way adjacent to intelligence, should be summarily dismissed, and if they persist, ridiculed.

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      My LinkedIn feed is overflowing with executives unabashedly posting their navel-gazing chats with bots.

      “What would you look like?” “What is it like to be you?”

      They’re just so excited to finally have a friend at work, I think.

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      proud of their acquired brain injuries

      This here is hurting more than it may look at first sight when you have children who fall into that category. Ask teachers, they know that kind, and they fear for that kind.

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    And by the way, every talking head out there saying that the future rests on teaching our kids how to use AI properly: puh-lease, that will come naturally, it’s like saying teach your kids how to use the internet.

    Allow me to introduce you to David’s Law, the legislative result of not teaching children the dangers of the Internet.