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US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.
“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.
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There won’t be planes, or deportations. There will only be caged slave laborers in concentration camps owned by his friends, with the government (read taxpayers) paying the rent month after month, year after year.
Weird kink you got, mate
Concentration camps might be a bit hyperbolic, but that was actually a fairly accurate description of how private prisons manage to make a profit.
Except for a handful of states that passed legislation to prevent it, the 13th amendment makes an exception allowing involuntarily servitude as the punishment for committing crimes. If they manage to create a kangaroo court designed to be a revolving door of convictions for “illegal immigrants”, they absolutely could keep people effectively locked up as slaves for a while.
Concentration camps might be a bit hyperbolic
It is not. Calling them “death camps” would be hyperbolic because Trump hasn’t started talking about a “final solution” (yet), but “concentration camp” is very much a factually-accurate synonym for the sorts of mass detention facilities necessary to implement deportations at the scale Trump has been proposing.
They are already scouting for sites for the “immigrant detention centers”.
Suppose they achieve their objective. All that money being made? No way that system doesn’t want to swallow even more people, and not “just” immigrants.
You are absolutely correct, but I was trying to avoid being inflammatory and giving an easy strawman when explaining why Trump’s concentration camps are within the realm of possibility.
Concentration camps might be a bit hyperbolic
…donvict and this thugs enter the chat…
Trump’s transition team is looking at how many migrants each region can hold, including in Democratic-controlled metropolitan areas across the country. A source familiar with the plans said they prioritize areas with large migrant populations that lack detention facilities, rather than single out Democratic strongholds.
Cities with large populations of migrants — like Denver, Los Angeles, Miami and Chicago — could need additional detention sites built nearby to hold migrants arrested there. The administration might also need to reopen, expand or build new facilities in the Northeast to hold migrants arrested around New York City, Philadelphia and Washington, the source said.
Another source familiar with the plans said so-called sanctuary policies in Democratic cities should not prevent ICE from expanding detention there.
The details of the plan open a window into what Trump has promised will be the “largest deportation operation in American history.” Critics of the plan have said he would lack the money, staffing, willingness from countries to take back migrants, flights and detention space to make it a reality.
They’re the sort of assholes who’d only have ham sandwiches on the flight
I didn’t think the leopards would eat my face!
I mean what did they expect? Yes, i didn’t agree with Bidens current policy or what Kamala was going to do, but I knew trump would be worse.
Man, Americans are so fat even our leopards overeat.
There’s at least 76,430,748 new faces to be eaten. Not enough leopards.
Oh, they will find the leopards.
Sorry my bad, I meant that as to why that leopard was the size it was. Too many faces to eat. Gluttonous.
Chonky kitty!
It’s trueeeeee. But can you blame them? High calorie diet! Americans a yuuuuuge
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I honestly have no idea how any Muslim could vote for Trump unless they were completely ignorant. He is not their friend by any stretch of the imagination. It’s not going to end well for them.
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What comes first, the ignorance or the religion.
Ignorance.
Yeah, the religion maintains the ignorance, but doesn’t create it
Previous election 80% of them voted for Biden.
Did the Democrats eat their face in some way? Like by exterminating a Muslim population?
Why oh why didn’t anyone warn them?
They were too busy praying to Trump
All this time/effort organizing around him when a 5 minute Google search would have shown you he’d pledge unquestioning support for Netanyahu
Not to mention Trump’s “sharpie realignment” of Israel’s border during his last term. These people have rocks in their heads if they thought this was going to go any other way.
These are not smart people.
You are the reason I dislike liberals.
You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
Be more like AOC. She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.
I read some of the comments from AOC’s constituents. Many of them were not smart people either.
If you want to learn what it takes to sway dumb people, you can run a very unethical campaign like Trump’s and get the Presidency.
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She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.
This is like asking someone to explain why they believe the world is flat or that we didn’t land on the moon.
“It’s real simple… Trump and you care for the working class.”
Yep, real smart people there. Anybody who voted for both of them together is an idiot. They represent polar opposites of the political spectrum. She’s basically the most progressive politician after Bernie, and he’s the most regressive. She’s thoughtful in the way she expresses herself, and he spews verbal diarrhea and lies as if he would instantly die if he said anything true.
Anybody who thinks Trump cares for the working class is fucking delusional. He’s shown time after time that he doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t directly benefit him. He’s a fucking monster and anyone who can’t see that has to be stupid.
Anybody who thinks Trump cares for the working class is fucking delusional. He’s shown time after time that he doesn’t care about anything that doesn’t directly benefit him. He’s a fucking monster and anyone who can’t see that has to be stupid.
Yep. He had four years and the only thing he did was give away gigantic bags of goodies to the already obscenely wealthy. He didn’t do anything for the working class.
You are focusing on Trump bad. Focus on “what can the Democratic Party do to be more appealing to voters?” The answer is be more like AOC - show you care about the working class.
This only supports my statement.
I think many people already understood they vote with their feelings instead of their brain. They care more about how a candidate makes them feel than about their policies. They care more about “the vibe” than anything logical. And it’s fucking us all. A candidate shouldn’t have to stroke anyone’s fee fees, people should use the meat in their skull prison to make a sound and reasonable choice.
But i guess this country is certainly too stupid to make basic reasonable choices when presented with options. So you have a point. Don’t call them stupid or idiots because their feelings are more important to them than reason. Fucking cromagnon politics. Gonna be even more important when the DoE is ripped out.
When those people vote you need to know why. Or be snide, that’s worked out great for the Dems
It’s because they’re stupid and/or bigoted.
Cool. Don’t meet their concerns then. It’s really important to feel morally superior while you’re politically irrelevant
When “being politically irrelevant” is not being a fascist, who has the moral high ground?
Way to completely misunderstand what I said. I’m done here.
Found another not smart person, guys
You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
They said while looking down their nose through a smug sense of superiority
Rubles.
They did it for the rubles
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Next time she won’t have to ask either
Dumb fucks
Ahha hahahahahhaa hahahahaaha
I, too, have unlocked the secret 6th stage of grief: gallows humor
I thought I was alone
Nothing about this is funny
Is the leopards feasting on their faces not funny enough for you?
They thought they were above the consequences of their actions, but they’re in the shit pot with the rest of US.
ITS FUCKING HILARIOUS!
Unlike some, I do not relish with delight, the “wrongness” of my opposition. While I may like winning, I delight in nobody’s misery.
Luckily Stein got lots of house and senate members elected to provide support to her platform… oh wait…
Yep the leopards are getting morbidly obese right now.
People with faces upset the leopards started eating them.
No way. The guy who said he’d give Netanyahu a blank check to destroy Gaza opposes Islam? Color me fucking shocked.
Blank check? they already had one and have been bypassing Congress to fund them already under Biden
I love how you’re getting downvoted for posting a graph with factual data on it. I guess this is the “less harm” that democrats keep pleasuring themselves over. Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same. Ah, but we shouldn’t let facts get in the way of people having fun mocking minorities having their relatives massacred in a genocide. Your factual data is really dragging the mood down in this party.
Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same.
It’s frustrating how shitty Republicans can be and yet Democrats still insist on adopting all their positions and getting endorsed by them.
It’s almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn’t acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire
Stop. Just stop.
It’s a post-truth world. Just…give up. We’re all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed “facts” consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It’s their news. It’s their friends. It’s their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It’s in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.
You can’t compete with that. That’s brainwashing on a societal level.
You can’t both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.
I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when “I told you so”. Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people’s attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.
The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that.
Why bother to fact check any one thing when it means hunting for the single edible chocolate in a pile of rabbit shit?
You can’t even fucking Google an answer anymore, as the AI generated response is trained on all the bad data that’s bloated the system.
Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
I would settle for it being a view that won’t get you expelled from a college campus, primaried out of an elected office, or purged from a high profile business position.
You make a good point, but the problem remains the same. We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates. 🙃
We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.
People like this exist and you can find them. You just won’t have them advertised to you. Real journalism exists, but its speaks floating in a sea of disinformation.
I can only be so upset a people for failing to find it. There but for the grace of God go I.
I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates
A great deal of informed opinion and intelligently dissenting views have been actively suppressed at the educational, political, and industry levels.
Whether you’re Cori Bush or Norm Finkelstein, you’re fighting and uphill battle just to be recognized.
Gotcha. I hear ya. I guess what I’m saying is, in the same way capitalism has effectively produced an oligharchical coup-de-tat of society, in the same way progressivism needs to find a way to do the same, and do it better.
The modern Internet and information landscape has broken participatory democracy to the point I don’t think the truth can beat lies and misinformation, such that it could ever be the basis for most people’s vote.
Therefore, ironically I think we must leverage the same tools and techniques being used to spread lies and misinformation in service of the truth. That is play Donald Trump and the New Right’s game against them, and do it better.
“Weird” was almost that, but it was accidental. It wasn’t evidence of change in communication strategy by the Dems, sadly. We should be doing more of this. Constantly embarrassing and insulting Trump and his cronies, and making them look lost, weal, and out of control. Things like that. Selective truths intended to get an emotional populist response, and sustain it for four years.
Also, Swift 2028 (lol)
You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
At this point if I were God I’d be starting the rapture right now, because clearly humanity is too dumb to live and too deranged to get it over with quick and painlessly. Every American who voted Kamela would be at the top of the “Abandon Earth, we’re all going to Heaven!” queue for the USA region, because obviously that was the last couple million people living in the Modern Day Burning Rome who gave a shit.
Kamela wanted a ceasefire
So did biden, reportedly.
Oh lord +25 -2
Blatant lies sure are popular here.
Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.
Lol, no he didn’t, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.
Troll harder
PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand…
Kamela never shunned Palestinians either
Sorry i did not realize this was a sarcastic troll chain.
Seriously? What did they think was going to happen with donvict in office? I just can’t even right now. If I thought things would be any better in 4 years, I’d beg/borrow/steal to get on that 4 year cruise…
Muslims were scammed in this election for voting for Trump or Jill Stein
that’s what musk was selling. to muslims and middle-easterners in michigan harris was a pro-israel, for pennsylvania’s jewish population she was pro-palestine. and they were hyper-local with the targeting… down to individual city blocks.
From the article, a little realization that the leopards are gonna eat some faces:
Hassan Abdel Salam, a former professor at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and co-founder of the Abandon Harris campaign, which endorsed Green Party candidate Jill Stein, said Trump’s staffing plans were not surprising, but had proven even more extreme that he had feared. “It’s like he’s going on Zionist overdrive,” he said. “We were always extremely skeptical…Obviously we’re still waiting to see where the administration will go, but it does look like our community has been played.”
But seriously, how would anyone imagine that the guy who banned Muslim refugees from entering the US wouldn’t be anti Muslim?
Leopards ate my face, example #5937719
All this reporting reminds me of the “But actually this Man on The Street Hated Brexit even though he voted for it” slew of stories.
It’s all just nutpicking. You’ll find far more Muslim Trump voters who don’t know who any of these people are. And you’ll find plenty who are clapping like seals, because they’re just as Murdoch Pilled and MAGA headed as their white peers.
Which just goes to show the lack of critical thinking skills in a shockingly large swath of the population.
“If you don’t vote my way then you must be an idiot” is the endless refrain of the losing party. I hear it every election cycle
Had Harris been the one edging out Trump on a razor thin margin, it would be conservatives whining about American voter stupidity.
But if all these people are so thick headed, why do politicians find it so hard to get them to vote their way?
Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? … This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
