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I know there are fires there, but it sure is a coincidence his house burns down while Mel has a airtight alibi being on Rogan’s show.
I’m not defending idiots saying it cures cancer, but people dismissively calling ivermectin a “horse dewormer” when it’s approved for human use for all sorts of parasitic diseases is something that grinds my gears. It actually is something of a wonder drug, just not for what these idiots keep claiming.
Methylene blue is an approved drug too, (the first synthetic drug, coincidentally) it’s used for cyanide poisoning amongst other things. It’s also a MAOI, which makes it dangerous to take with a bunch of common medicines.
It actually is something of a wonder drug
And it worked wonders on COVID patients who actually had parasites in the “throw everything at the wall” period. Word got out some patients had improved because of it. It became a whole thing because doctors didn’t got the same results with ivermectin in others trials, probably because their patients didn’t have parasites, and ruled it out as the COVID cure. Arm chair viral experts refused to believe it and made it a conspiracy, and from there on became a cornerstone of anti vax and right wing politics. Of course right wing commentators now make it the cure for cancer.
Yes, but invermectin is also a very strong drug and even for its intended uses, it’s rarely recommended to take it more than twice in a year. During covid days, people were taking it weekly.
That’s what the blue is for
Weekly? I feel like people were taking it far more often than that. And massive doses.
My boss and the secretary were squeezing it into their applesauce every day.
The secretary was the same person who complained the doctors caught her trying to sneak it into her mom’s hospital room and was trying to squeeze some in her mouth while intubated and said she needed to get her mom out of there to got a real Jewish hospital that would let her do it and cure her mom.
Both sad and funny stupid.
My boss would end up packing his entire family and their stuff from their house that would fit into his F150 truck and flee Florida to Texas for “More Freedom™”
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Nope. Just didn’t like how Florida was handling COVID and the future of education for his kids if I remember correctly.
People are literally buying it from Tractor Supply when doctors won’t prescribe it. That’s why people say horse dewormer. It is literally horse dewormer they are taking.
Sure, but still a false equivalence and a strawman at best. The few people who bought horse dewormer to get ivermectin doesn’t discredit those who “smartly” bought the correct human dose for ivermectin.
When most conversation is asynchronous, it usually turns out:
[Ivermectin Mentioned]
“That’s horse dewormer.”
[Person internally: No it’s not, it’s a real drug. Scrolls past your conversation thinking ‘this person doesn’t know what they’re talking about’]
Both people then go away having learned nothing.
The fun fact about Methylene Blue that always is a hit with students is it also turns your pee a green/blue-green color.
in this corner, the challenger, using a B vitamin complex.
And our returning champion, Methylene Blue!^DING!!^
yeah, but don’t give it to someone on antidepressants, the mixture can lead to serotonine syndrome, which is a medical emergency
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I personally know/knew one of the main guys promoting Ivermectin in the news and on rogan. It was 100% a grift and he knew it. The point wasn’t the medicine but subverting public health efforts. That is why it is derided as horse dewormer.
Same with ketamine, horse tranquilizer. Also a powerful fast acting anti depressent among a other very positive qualities
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This should be the top comment. Most conspiracy bullshit always has some grain of truth, so when you dismiss it with factually wrong information you just solidify the conspiracy mindset, since you “don’t get it”.
The best way to fight conspiracy theories is to engage them head on and make them prove the claim. They’ll try and miserably fail IE flat earth.
It’s because they buy the veterinary products as a way to circumvent existing reasonable limits for human use of ivermectin. It’s implicitly against doctors’ recommendations and prescriptions.
Alternatively, they’re buying ego-boosting pills/pastes that feed the fantasy that they’re special/chosen people who are in the know about “secrets hiding in plain sight” like a common antiparasitic drug having incredible curative properties.
Thank you for this. I hate all the caveating you have to do on the internet, but this taught me something I didn’t know and now I’m slightly less of an idiot :)
Propaganda and conspiracy usually work better when they have a bit of truth to them.
It’s like these people got trolled by 4chan and believed every single word they said.
I have some green food coloring in the pantry. Will that help with hemoroids?
I can confirm it will not. All it will do is leak a bit and then you spend years trying to figure out which specific spice has a bit of food coloring on the bottom because every now and then you find a green circle on the counter.
Its like slightly worse than talking to marxists
How is it only slightly worse?
Well they’re both insufferable but i think only one is brought on by lead exposure
As if he only has one house
Exactly what I was thinking of. 🤣
That’s his god fucking him up
I wish I knew how to get these motherfuckers to care about anything as much as they care about ivermectin.
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Pushing an agenda usually has that effect
Sorry to the people dealing with the fires in LA area but I have to admit that I laughed hard when I heard Mel Gibson’s house burnt down during this interview. Absolutely hilarious to me.
Did he ever win an Oscar? Did he leave it in his house? I bet he didn’t see that one coming.
He definitely did nazi that coming
I dunno how the hell I could tell from back in the day, watching movies he was in, that I couldn’t trust him. Just something about the way he acts. I can’t put my finger on it.
There were hints. Dude played Mad Max and the loose-cannon crazy cop in Lethal Weapon. Is it acting or maybe he was born with it?
And interactions with women, just… He seemed like a scoffer. Scoffing at women. You know? I don’t respect scoffers who scoff unnecessarily.
If you watch the Lethal Weapon movies, it’s not hard to spot.
I haven’t in decades, but maybe I’d understand if I did nowadays.
I’m not talking about the characters he plays though. Just the way he carries himself and how he looks at women and shit. Like, it’s just giving “brother, eww”. Can’t fully put my finger on it.
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Was gonna say he wouldn’t have to nod along if he didn’t talk to the crazies, but then I remembered it’s precisely what he’s getting paid such absurd amounts to do.
I’d probably just not have a crazy old man as a guest, but hey ¯\(ツ)/¯
I know it’s dangerous, but it’s important to at least tell them people ignoring them aren’t silently agreeing with their bullshit. So, if you think you can manage the risk, you should tell them.
He can later edit that part tho
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?-? I just said that instead of showing himself nodding to the crazy man he could instead edit out that part.
Not sure where you get I’m “defending” anybody, when I’m saying that he had the option, the journalistic duty and every chance to not showing himself agreeing with Gibson’s rants.
I suggest you a camomile, avoiding social networks for a day and a walk in a forest or similar natural environment.
Sure, they were cured of cancer… until one day suddenly dropped dead, for no reason at all
Death is the ultimate cure for cancer.
Ever head of dim mak, buddy?
Vaccines turned me into a newt!
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I got better…
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“The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world” Mel Gibson guy?.. he has been into conspiracy theories for a while
What’s up with Mel? Does he have Parkinson’s or something similar? Or is he just strung out on cocaine? He was insanely, constantly twitchy the whole interview.
Probably something to do with all that ivermectin.
And the crazy Catholic-offshoot cult he’s in.
Drugs
Sadly he’s on a late stadium of being a cunt
Cocaine
This should not be legal.
I am always disheartened when I see his podcast is always at the top of the charts, even left leaning reasonable friends i know listen to it
Yep. I have a friend who is very much on the left, but he’s also really naïve, so he doesn’t see the problem with listening to Rogan.
Some episodes are good. Dave from megadeth for example.
The problem with the podcast is Joe agrees with everyone.
Maybe they’re good? I’ll never know cause I refuse to give views to such a toxic person, and Dave Mustaine? Two toxic morons talking to each other? Sounds like a blast /s
wait, im out of the loop, what did Dave Mustaine do?
this is why I dont like to dig too much into musicians lives, they always disappoint me.
I really enjoy when he has physicists on. That’s about it.
You’re part of the problem
Yeah my bad I shouldn’t be single handedly propping up the biggest podcast in the world like that I really dropped the ball.
I haven’t watched it in years. I just think he has good conversations with real scientists. Cope harder and be useless.
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Wet brain is a thing people. Drink in moderation.
That reminds me of some obscure bit of dialogue in some scifi show or something, where someone tries to insult another person by something but then they’re not offended, just autistically go “brains are supposed to be wet” for something.
Ugh it’s not wet though but something along those lines. Ugh this is gonna bother me all day
Edit only took 5 hours, wasn’t scifi. My brain is soft and wet.| Brooklyn Nine-Nine RIP Andre Braughr
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It doesn’t do people’s argument credit when they call ivermectin a horse dewormer. Yes, it can be used for that but it’s a broad spectrum drug used for lots of things in humans and animals. Does it do what the alt right says? Probably not. But you look almost as dumb as they do when you call a WHO essential medicine horse dewormer.
Calling it a horse dewormer came about because folks were buying the ones labeled as deworming agents at tractor supplies and similar locations. Sure it has other uses but its an easy jab at the folks drinking it like water for covid.
It is approved for use in humans, but its primary uses are all as an antiparisitic drug. And primarily worms.
Nobody is claiming that it isn’t great for deworming horses and other related anti-parasitic applications. But it is provably not effective at combating COVID or cancer, and mocking people who conflate the legitimate uses for the imaginary uses under the guise of “its a WHO essential medicine” is morally correct.
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When did ivermectin become the cure all? COVID? Because this is beyond stupid.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
In the beginning of Covid, a doctor in very rural India started treating Covid patients with ivermectin and they got better. So the doctor wrote a paper about it, and this paper was touted as proof that ivermectin was the cure for Covid, and nowadays everything.
Because schools don’t stress science literacy, what people didn’t notice in the paper was that WHY ivermectin helped these patients with their Covid infections is because they ALSO had multiple parasites because they were living in a very rural area and rarely sought medical help, and therefore their immune system was already overburdened dealing with the parasites. By treating the parasites with ivermectin, their immune systems were able to focus on Covid and actually fight through it. This was all explained in the paper, people just didn’t read past the title, clearly.
Ivermectin is prescribed for humans - specifically in the cases of parasites. We need to get back to teaching science literacy and critical thinking in schools.
Thanks for the background - that’s fascinating. I never knew there was a sliver of reality behind the craziness
A whole slew of papers on ivermectin reg covid have been withdrawn or retracted
https://retractionwatch.com/2022/02/11/ivermectin-papers-slapped-with-expressions-of-concern/
https://www.the-scientist.com/frontiers-removes-controversial-ivermectin-paper-pre-publication-68505
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/93658
I am fully aware of the terrible things that have happened with ivermectin, the fraudulent clinical trials, the plagiarized data and papers, etc. The papers you linked to used patients that had already died, already been hospitalized, etc as data points, and various other forms of fraud and bad ethics. Does that negate the study that showed that pathway in which that medication is actually supposed to work if people had actually read it properly?
Edit to add: the paper I’m referring to didn’t claim ivermectin cured Covid. It claims ivermectin treated the already existing parasites, thus giving the immune system a better chance at fighting Covid. Whereas the papers being retracted fraudulently claimed a link between ivermectin and Covid using false data.
I know it started with COVID, but to become a wonder drug…
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3043740/
It garners it’s “wonder drug” status long before COVID. Just not for any reason related to COVID. Nor Cancer…
The same people who think they are smarter than any doctor and play doctor probably like to be their own lawyer too.
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Fair enough. And thank you for the article, it was informative!
Scam artists can sell it without a prescription as long as they’re calling it an animal product. It’s sold off the counter at any feed store. This is always the scam with these claims it’s ‘‘it cures cancer THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’ Then they sell you a huge amount of it at a huge markup. This is everything from Monavie (an aqci berry juice), vitamin Mega doses, some completely insignificant ‘‘supplements’’ (I knew a guy selling ox bile capsules with almost no oil or extracts mixed in), then you have all manner of crystals, jade eggs, food processing leftovers like apricot pits, inert nonsense. And I’m not even really mad about it because it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe. These idiots take the same meds from their doctor as everyone else, then ALSO take the snake oil and are convinced the snake oil worked. Joe took a vit C mega dose when he was also taking meds from his doctor for Covid, and he’s SURE the Vit C did something. It’s like how if you have really worn out tires on a car that when you get new tires the mileage gets noticeably better, but then you think ‘‘tire store change tire = 20% lower mph’’ so you take your car back the next day and ask them to change the tires 4 more times because you think it will make your car have -100% gas consuption. All these meds CAN improve your immune system response by removing parasites if you have them, eliminate vit deficiencys if you have them, or remove other micro nutrient deficiencies, all work IF you have the issue to begin with, and studies show the improvement, but taking 1000x the dose of Vit C is just making your pee insanely vit rich, once the deficiency is resolved your body dumps the excess.
it mostly ripps off rich idiots like Mel and Joe
Not at all. People who can barley afford their medications see these as cheaper alternatives and will often use these instead.
THEY just don’t want you to know about it!’’
Tell them that THEY (whoever THEY are) are doing a horrible job of keeping it a secret because every tinfoil twit talks about it.
The vitamin c thing probably comes from Linus Pauling and his promotion of vitamin c megadoses.
I swear, if somehow dog turds got a “fight the man” aura about them there’d be people claiming dog turds cure everything.
But they’ll kick and scream and run away from the actual medical miracle with a medically tested and proven vaccine.
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The good old days of having kids and just knowing chances are stacked against most of them making it past toddler age.
