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Organized violence solves things.
You get organized violence by starting with peaceful protests. You can’t have one without the other.
You get organized violence by starting with peaceful protests consisting of people willing to become violent if ignored. I’ve seen a lot more people discussing how to prevent a peaceful protest from becoming violent than discussing how to best focus the valuable violence that grows out of the ignored peaceful protests.
Because most people aren’t willing to go that far, and never will. Including people who see why it’s necessary; they just aren’t willing to do so themselves.
But we’re so far from that step. Peaceful protests in the US are going in fits and starts. It needs to be more sustained. If you can’t do that, then the more violent steps are going nowhere.
We’re far from that step not because the majority of people aren’t mad enough to become violent, but because they’ve been trained to believe that violence is not only unnecessary, but counterproductive toward social change. We need to un-indoctrinate those individuals before people start coming to a protest ready to elevate it to a revolution if necessary, which is what is required to actually force change. If the politicians are aware that they can ignore a protest without consequence, they’ll never even give it a second thought. Until we are ready to take the next step, each peaceful protest is like tuning the ignition in a car with a dead battery.
And it’s the reason to have unions ans activists and a democratic process. If not, there always comes a point where people start to burn down rich people’s houses and kill who escapes the fire.
I mean, non-violent action can also get results: India vs Britain, the Velvet Revolution, South African apartheid, the Berlin Wall, Hungry vs Austria, the Russian Revolution, Women’s Suffrage, Norway vs Nazis, El Salvador and Guatemala, Philippines vs Marcos, on and on.
Non-violent action isn’t just about asking nicely, it’s about civil disobedience, community organizing, and direct action.
In many cases a movement can succeed without violent action, but it’s very rare to find success through violent action alone (unless the US gives you an infusion of weapons and cash).
India vs Britain
If you think that was “nonviolent,” you need to go read up on the All-India Muslim League. (Hint: they got what they wanted; Gandhi didn’t.)
Giving Gandhi’s noncooperation movement sole credit for Indian independence is like giving MLK sole credit for the US civil rights movement and ignoring folks like Malcolm X: it’s an absolute whitewashing of history designed to serve the elite by gaslighting the next generation of folks with political grievances into ineffectiveness.
In reality, the the only thing that makes moderates like Gandhi and MLK look moderate and thus begrudgingly acceptable to the Powers that Be is the existence of a radical flank. It’s the latter that makes it clear that the choice is between moderate reforms and violent revolution, not between moderate reforms and the status-quo.
Most of the other examples you gave also had violence associated with them that I guess they just didn’t teach you about in school for reasons. I’ll concede that the Velvet Revolution and the Russian Revolution (by which I assume you mean 1991, not 1917) were exceptions, but that’s just because the leaders were well on their way to transitioning into capitalist oligarchs and their hearts really weren’t into Communism anymore.
Yeah, no.
the Russian Revolution
Of the 1917? You’re taking a piss here mate?
Women’s Suffrage
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign
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Do you fuckheads think people are just protesting anymore? Just because what you are able to see broadcast by media corporations?
I’m astounded by how much the international community thinks we’re just yelling chants and marching with signs.
Do you think all Americans are doing is whining against authoritarians?
Did you know every single instance of ICE showing up has resulted in people getting detained when they interfere with ICE? People have gotten shot by ICE. Do you seriously think Americans are just “sitting idly by” thinking violence doesn’t do anything?
What do you expect us to do? 30 of us or so take our AR-15s drive 3 days across the country to shoot at a heavily fortified military building that houses the narcissist in power? Do you expect us to shoot ICE when they ambush a Hyundai plant a 2 day drive away? Hell, maybe even the people in the town could have rallied and done something about it if they could get the alarm out that ICE was arresting workers at Hyundai.
I’ll give you a hint: stop trying to say we don’t know what we are doing and start looking around you. Europe, South America, and most of Asia are all facing direct threat from authoritarians attempting to seize power.
What Americans are doing is the first fucking step. Organizing. There’s a lot more land to cover and a lot more people to reach. The Heritage Foundation (or it’s ideology at least) has worked for centuries on getting to where they are today. Americans know what is at stake. They know peaceful protest only does so much.
The revolution will not be televised.
Do you fuckheads seriously think this would’ve worked if they just showed up in the streets, whined for a while, and went home?
No. Obviously you need sustained protests. The arson was entirely unnecessary, though.
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Thé 10 October movement is e actly about this. France protest massively against pension age change and the government ignored them. Now they try less peacefull action and it will escalate. You can’t shit on the people indefinitely.
Sometimes it isn’t: From little things big thing grow.
kills the pm’s wife
wat
Edit: Apparently she survived after receiving burn injuries. She was in the PM’s residence when the protestors burned it down.
This was a fun story till that detail.
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Burnt alive inside her home.
I think that was debunked the residence was set ablaze but she was rrtrived by the protesters and is in hospital, please correct me if wrong though.
That must be terrifying, I wonder if she was trying to escape and got trapped. I can’t imagine what that would be like
she was physically disabled and her husband abandoned her. the protestors retrieved her and got her to the hospital to be treated for minor burns
Mean while in the USA… Crickets
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are there any for over here in europe? I clicked through a few of the 50501, but couldn’t find anything in my country.
50501 stands for 50 protests in 50 states on 1 day, so I wouldn’t expect them to provide many resources relevant to Europe.
God damnit. More of you people.
The revolution will not be televised.
Fuck, the CIA itself even created a guidebook to fighting fascism, and you know what Americans are doing? They’re following the guidebook.
Now take your blind opinion back to your home country and DEAL WITH THE AUHORITARIAN PROBLEM THERE! believe it or not? It’s probably the exact same shit, just better disguised.
These people are fking metal af. Mad mad respect.
Hmmm, could this be a start of a direct democracy?
Hell yeah let’s open source democracy
Not on discord please
For myself, this amplifies the need to create a legitimate open replacement to Discord.
Nepal has discovered the Digital Democracy civic
I stumbled upon this video on Discord the other day and found it pretty interesting, gives a close look of the day they burned the parliament down.
Based
What’s the best expression already? Those with power never relinquish them peacefully? The French Revolution, the Civil War, etc… major change is rarely peaceful, very unfortunately
So less Newsom 28 more Sanders/Stewart 25
I just hope those responsible for the deaths receive the punishment they deserve.
Hope this revolution goes better than the Russian and Iranian ones.
Are there possible leaders in Western exile who could return home and take over? /s
IIRC, there are Maoist groups who are said to take orders from Beijing.
IIRC, there are Maoist groups who are said to take orders from Beijing
This is untrue.
One of the things that makes Maoists Maoists is that they don’t like the modern PRC. They believe that Deng Xiaoping and his successors were ‘capitalist roaders’ who ended socialism in China.
Compared to Marxist-Leninists who generally believe that China is still on a socialist path of development, and that the Reform and Opening Up initiated by Deng Xiaoping is akin to the Soviet New Economic Policy, or other instances of socialist States courting foreign investment.
Meanwhile, China has a broad policy of “Non-interference”, where it doesn’t engage in backing non-state actors. The one notable exception to this, isn’t any communist insurgency, but the United Wa State Army, in Myanmar. They get Chinese backing because China sees it as beneficial to its interests to have a well funded proxy on its border, to act as a buffer between itself, amd a volatile neighbor. Not because of any ideological affinity.
There are a number of Maoist movement in southern Asia, and they all have a pretty antagonistic line against the PRC, because the PRC as the major geopolitical player in the region, is doing business with the governments they’re fighting, instead of them.
The situation was similar in Nepal, though after the monarchy was overthrown in 2006, the Maoists, or at least their leadership, only half-completed the revolution, by entering into a liberal Parliamentary power sharing system which as done fuck all to govern for all that time.
Perhaps, since the ML and Liberal parties are the ones taking the fall for this, the more radical elements of the Maoist movement rearm? That’s not a foregone conclusion though, and it certainly won’t happen with the help of Beijing.
They forgot to mention the 19 students killed by law enforcement during these protests that lead to the burning down stages and so forth
I’m all for organizing against a corrupt government but fuck voting online bullshit. That’s something the Trump administration has been talking about trying to get us to do for a long time.
A handful of people and swarms of bots control the narrative on most social media platforms. I hope that’s not the case in Nepal, but honestly why would you expect that wouldn’t very easily happen?
Yeah but when you’ve got almost no infrastructure in place, the election is snap so limited scope for bad actors to mobilise etc. Its probably the only time in history its ever been warranted and a good idea.
Thank you user cuntycakes! Cool story.
