I just cannot imagine forming a deep, lasting connection with someone who regularly interacts with a technology that’s kneecapping our collective attention spans
This could have come straight from an article in the 80s about how she won’t date folks who watch television.
Such a strange article, even if I agree with the premise.
Of all the problems with AI, how does attention span crack anyone’s top 50?
Especially considering all the other empirically proven ways that attention spans have been shortening for decades prior to this.
10 bucks this woman has used Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, (insert social media here) a hell of a lot more than this guy has used ChatGPT.
That being said, yes — you probably shouldn’t trust someone that puts blind faith in ChatGPT. But definitely not for that stupid reason.
Edit: I mean, shit, wasn’t there an odd correlation between Spongebob’s release and attention spans shortening? I think the study was proven inaccurate in the sense that it negatively affected attention spans of children below the target demographic, but still — none of this is a new phenomena associated with the advent of AI.
I’m in my forties and I’ve been hearing about how XY and z have been shortening attention spans literally since the 1980s.
Nintendo is ruining your attention span they shouted as we locked in for hours of Zelda, hand drawing maps. Music videos are ruining people’s attention span. CDs being able to skip tracks was going to ruin our attention span. Instant messaging was definitely going to ruin our attention span. When I was a kid they were saying our attention spans could be measured in seconds so if it’s gotten worse I don’t know how anyone finishes a sentence.
This year I heard how cocommelon commands too much attention from toddlers. So I guess our brains can be undercooked or over cooked.
The one thing I wouldn’t expect to be blamed for undermining our attention span would be a long form text-based back and forth conversation with a chatbot.
I wasn’t arguing that AI doesn’t harm people’s brains, I was arguing that there are so many other things to be morally opposed to AI about that attention spans might as well not even be a consideration.
it’s virtue signalling.
‘i do not participate in the unvirtuous activity. therefore I am superior to those that do’.
people love to virtue signal based on what they do/don’t do, and do/don’t consume.
dating profiles on dating apps are loaded with virtue signal nonsense, because it makes the signaler feel they are ‘above’ other people, or that such signalling will ‘prevent’ the non-virtuous heathens from trying to date them.
people love to virtue signal based on what they do/don’t do, and do/don’t consume.
Hmmm that depends… if I don’t participate in sex trafficking, I think that’s beyond virtual signaling and into being plain old decent.
Personally I have no issues watching TV (for example) but I wouldn’t want to date someone who tells me their #1 hobby is to watch TV.
Particular to this case, I hate AI but I would not discard people in my life if they use AI… however, the people that claim out loud that ChatGPT (or any other) is their best friend would raise serious red flags in my head.
I mean, I feel like signaling the things you value to people you are actually going to potentially date is the entire purpose of dating apps? Like if you are just doing it on social media to people at large then sure I agree, but dating apps seems like the perfect place to say what you value in other people.
There are lines though and it can get blurry. As an example, my family accuses me of virtue signaling because I refuse to engage in their racism. That I refuse to judge people by the color of their skin or their religion, I am called every name in the book.
Now, this is clearly not my problem, and I am not virtue signaling, but it’s a semi-loaded term these days, used CONSTANTLY by reactionaries.
Maybe the article is a bit, I’ll give you that. However, I can’t condemn her for her lines, no skin off my nose. I’m not upset by virtue signalling, if anything it’s good information on how to treat and interact with those people. The virtues my family signals for example, have been quite valuable to how I interact with them (as little as possible).
Remember those people that used to brag they didn’t own a TV at every opportunity?
“I don’t even have a TV in my house. 😤”
“Oh. I’m sorry to hear about your money problems.”
Yea, if thats the issue apps like tiktok better be on their refusal list as well.
How did all the slopbot enthusiasts find this community?
They target the most influential ones that are not in their favor, is my hypothesis. So if a place would normally breed leftness, those places are under attack.
Also, the nature of the fediverse is availability and permanence. So, if you can blanket the earth with your fecal matter automatically, it’s worth.
Honestly, until we as society start crushing this behavior, values, and idealism in general, it’s only going to get worse. Enjoy.
So, if you can blanket the earth with your fecal matter automatically, it’s worth.
New item for bucket list added
Its pretty annoying, honestly. This is the FUCK AI space, not the iTs JUsT sOFtWare bro space.
I get why you wouldn’t want to date someone who uses AI for everything, but my god what a pretentious twit.
“Why I refuse to date someone who uses a calculator”. This is basically what this article equates to.
A calculator gives the same, right answer every time, though
Calculators also don’t uphold fascist agendas or drain entire cities’ worth of energy and water just to hallucinate wrong answers in the name of “convenience”
Do you have research to support your claim that AI in general upholds fascist ideologies (aside from those specifically tuned to do so, like Grok)? I don’t condone the current model of data center driven AI, but there is such a thing as self hosted LLMs. Some Linux distro even have them available out of the box.
You included all the proof we need in your comment. Grok has been proven to do it, others may be doing it as well. And if its isn’t promoting fascism maybe its promoting some other ideology. The point is these models are not unbiased, and in many cases are being manipulated by their owners.
It’s not maybe they have been researched and are highly manipulable.
You are trusting the host of the model to not introduce biases. Getting the model to regurgitate it’s hard coded prompt info has already happened and different providers have been doing that
Unless you hit the wrong key or do the problem wrong. That’s why you should always check your work, even when using a calculator. Same with AI.
Checking your work with a calculator is just making sure you pressed the buttons correctly, possibly running through the process a second time if it’s important enough.
“Checking your work” with an llm is literally just doing the thing you should have done initially when you wanted the answer you were looking for. Involving the llm at all is a totally nonsensical waste of time
It gives you a good starting point. If its something simple, like “What are the best night clubs in my area”, then it is useful. It may not be 100% accurate in that case, but you were going to go through them 1 by 1 anyway, and it can give you a quick summary of what they are, so you can decide if you want to look into them more. Or you can further narrow down your results in a way that a simple google search couldn’t. I’m not saying its the be all end all, but this whole “AI is totally useless” thing is just ridiculous.
I would actually take it a step further and say it’s worse than useless tbh.
What good is it to have a summary generated about night clubs when literally zero of the details generated can be presumed accurate? Like it will just full on ass pull basic details even down to the hours of operation. This constant confident misinfo actually harms your process.
you were going to go through them 1 by 1 anyway
And furthermore, we’re ignoring the fact that no, you were not. Nobody in the history of time has ever run a detailed comparative analysis on a massive list of nightclubs in their area for the purpose of optimizing their night out. You just look at the map for whatever’s gonna be cheapest to uber to and quickly check the reviews lol. Or more likely someone in your group started out wanting to check out a specific place, and that’s that.
The mere concept of employing AI in this instance was delivered to you by a marketing firm. That’s the bread and butter of these companies: pretending a trivial, routine task that we’ve performed without friction for many years is actually a large project that justifies investment in and deployment of their bloated expensive product.
You can go back and forth with me all day trying to contrive different random examples where you think maaaaaybe the AI saves you ten seconds of time if you squint, but in reality people who often use it just waste a bunch of their time floundering and walk away less informed than when they started
So you just basically admit that no amount of argument against your point will change your mind. So thanks for letting me know I’m wasting my time here. Have a good one.
Nice attempt at a copout. Where did I admit anything similar to that?
My mind can very easily be changed with evidence. The problem with “AI” is all you have is marketing without substance.
The fact that users are wasting their time and ending up confidently ill informed is why I consider it worse than worthless. Literally every study indicates that people are less efficient when they adopt the tech (even the people who incorrectly self report that their numbers are better lmao). Companies across the board are failing to get ROI on this. The results speak.
So yes, I am unfortunately not interested in wasting all day on an endless string of improvised hypothetical situations written from the perspective of LLMs being great and then working backwards from there. It’s fruitless and irrational
You’re in a group that’s literally called “Fuck AI”.
Yes, you’re wasting your time here if you’re pitching AI. Go find a group that doesn’t have “Fuck” immediately preceding “AI”.
How does the AI know the “best night clubs”?
It just regurgitates, with a level of randomness, the existing user reviews you would have gotten on a search result. Plus AI leaves a ton of opportunity to obscure advertising by influencing the summary output to favor certain locations in a way that is less obvious than ads and search result ordering.
Yeah, it is great at getting an answer that looks plausible as long as you don’t care about accuracy. At that point just do a web search for nearby clubs and pick one randomly, the end result is the same except the latter isn’t driving up costs and increasing pollution for everyone else nearly as much as AI.
Goggle AI says
first try goggling “night clubs near me”
If someone uses a calculator to add 3 plus 7 together, I wouldn’t want to date them. I do have some standards.
Amount of test points i lost over the years from the simple stuff while focusing on the hard stuff taught me to never underestimate what’s simple.
Sometimes I need a math receipt. That’s what the calculator (with the paper feed) is for.
I’m totally happy to self separate from people who make AI dislike a personality trait. This is bordering on deranged.
Sure, if you chat me up and generative AI is writing the messages you can get lost. If you are generating complex SQL queries through an API written in another language? Whatever, get after it.
The amount of people who see a photoshopped picture now and then be like “oh my God AI slop!” is getting ridiculous; take a breath and touch some grass.
So, at first from the headline I thought it was about online dating and the messages being sent back and forth were from chatgpt.
But no, this is just about using it at all.
Honestly, I don’t use ChatGPT but I’m under no delusions that my “original thoughts” are any better than its. Most of them are just lifted wholesale from books, TV, social media, conversations I had with people who are smarter than me, etc.
Could be you are having new ideas. But just someone in the past had thought of something similar. Your idea might be unique. But you may convince yourself it isn’t due to the similarities.
“Original thoughts” matter much less than what you do with them. The steam engine wasn’t an original thought at the time it was developed, the ancient Romans understood the principles of steam power nearly 2 millennia ago, but it took until the 19th century for someone to take that idea and develop industrialization.
There’s loads to dislike about gen AI but its not completely without virtue.
Making generalisations like this is just lazy thinking.
You are correct. That’s such an excellent idea…
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