The development comes after a presentation to the International Olympic Committee by its medical chief, which highlighted the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born male.
Watch them ban transgender women and clowns like JK Rowling STILL accuse cis women in the Olympics of being trans
I mean they still say that about Imane Khelif so
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Lmao is that just some dude’s blog? Your accredited lab is bullshit, your blogger here literally spouts a bunch of hearsay and conjecture what about a clarification from the IOC implies, then has the gall to throw out the phrase “facts are facts.”
Also I love this: “3 Wire Sports remains the only journalistic outlet to have seen these 2022 and 2023 tests.” Holy shit lol.
But yeah, sure thing, whatever you say sweetie
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Fun meme. But where is your proof otherwise?
Says the girl giving random-ass blog as proof
It’s easy to dismiss that as a “random-ass blog” because you’re engaging in motivated reasoning, but it’s certainly not the only evidence:
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
Again, you have nothing. It’s fun to argue and all, but I’ll remind anyone reading this that until evidence of Khelif being female is presented, any other response is sophistry meant to distract you.
Did you even read your own link?
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source(s).
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented. If true, they would not conclusively prove that Khelif “is a man.” Instead, as Snopes explains here, they would highlight the reality that, from a scientific standpoint, gender is not actually as binary as some suggest it to be.
So yeah, go fuck yourself with a cactus.
In case this asshat deletes her comment, this was the link given as ‘evidence’
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/11/20/imane-khelif-medical-records/
you don’t have evidence! your shady blogs and discredited idiots are more like negative evidence! i mean, babygirl, did you read that snopes article? cuz i promise it doesn’t support what youre saying
key excerpts you must have missed, surely by accident:
The screenshots shown in Ait Aoudia’s reporting are unverified. Snopes reached out to the doctors and hospitals associated with the alleged reports. They either did not respond or would not, as a matter of policy, confirm their authenticity or if Khelif was ever a patient of theirs. Ait Aoudia did not provide Snopes with any details of his source
and
Even if the reports published by Ait Aoudia are authentic, however, the alleged findings have been misrepresented
those are almost at the top of the article!
so first i think you should ask someone to read this to you, then ask them to also read the rest of the snopes article, where it talks about the sex spectrum and intersexuality. none of which is in the article because it applies to khelif, but only to the nonsense brainless idiots spout. if you actually read the article you linked, you might realize that if someone was born with the corresponding genitalia, they might just be that sex, regardless of hormone levels or whatever genetic bullshit people wanna pretend applies to khelif so they can fantasize about azalia amineva still being undefeated.
i know youre a lost cause, but to anyone else who reads this thread, please remember: this is even dumber because even though none of it applies to khelif anyway, trans and intersex people are still fucking people and should be allowed to compete. not in their own league. theyre not undesireables. theyre not diseased. just let people play their games!
Go die in a fire.
That’s a terrible link. There’s no evidence there whatsoever.
Khelif is a woman.
It’s easy to use motivated reasoning to dismiss things you don’t want to be true. Why do you think Khelif is a woman?
I don’t know. Perhaps I’ll start with the fact it’s highly unlikely a Muslim country would allow a trans male to represent them in boxing at the Olympics?
How about you pass that bar first?
Khelif was incorrectly assigned female at birth and is not trans. Many people with male DSDs like that don’t find that they’re not female until puberty
is not trans
Correct. She’s a woman. That’s why her country allowed her to box as one.
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Just make the mens competition an “open” competition so that anybody can qualify if they can. A trans-woman competing in the “open” category would be no problem.
Other categories can then stay protected.
In many sports it already is
'cause I know I feel welcome, and not completely othered and invalidated when I’m forced to play on a team that is otherwise entirely men, whom have athletic advantage over me
Who said it would be entirely men? Chess had this format forever and any woman that had the ability to compete in the top level open tournaments was competing in them.
Same chess where men creep on women and female grandmasters report being harassed whenever they try to compete alongside men?
I don’t think women feel welcome when you can accost them and if they say anything they’re just a bitch lying to cause problems.
So instead of addressing the misogyny, let’s sweep it under the rug by not allowing women to compete in the top tournaments? By your logic, shouldn’t we just make a third transgender category to solve the transphobia?
My logic? People are acting like men’s divisions are the open divisions when it’s very much closed to anyone not wanting to endure constant harassment. I don’t think adding facts to the discussion implies any logic aside from the logic in valuing the truth.
Ok, so I misunderstood and you actually agree we should have an open (mixed gender) division? Just adding we also need to work on preventing harassment and discrimination?
Otherwise, you are adding the logic stating that because harassment exists, we shouldn’t have mixed gender tournaments. Which implies we also need separate transgender tournaments, since they are also at risk for harassment in the existing ones.
I wanted to break the video game logic people were using. People write things like “This piece of paper says anyone can compete. Therefore the men’s group is really the Open group.”
People literally argue as if we live in a video game. They think they because they can Google what a law says, that the simulation automatically implements said law.
Nothing in the rules of chess say that men ought to harass women. Therefore, that fact is hidden from many people. A piece of paper doesn’t say it, so it’s invisible.
If someone lived in reality and they knew that men consistently harass women and that the world of men doesn’t do enough to stop it, then they probably wouldn’t believe that the men’s group is somehow the open group that welcomes all challengers.
Who said it would be entirely men?
First hand experience
We’re only a matter of time from a sporting regime where it’s just broadly “open” to a level bordering on chaos, and it’s the only thing that is going to keep people watching.
The “should trans people compete” debate is going to be overshadowed by the “should people with extra hearts and enhanced organs be allowed to compete” debate.
The idea of “preserving fairness” in sports is wild when you think about it. Nothing about sports is “fair” you only succeed by getting an unfair advantage over your opponents, we just like to delude ourselves into thinking that because we set some kind of parameters around this capability to gain an advantage, that it’s “fair.”
Couldn’t there just be an open category in addition to men’s and women’s?
I don’t think men need a protected category for most sports, so having both would just be duplication.
If nothing else, it’s just options for someone to pick from. Why allow one person more choices and not another? Everyone should have the same ability to choose.
We already have that. Men can join the men’s sport, which is usually open, like the NHL, but a restricted group can join the women’s sport. So women already have two choices - join a group where they are statistically unlikely to win, or compete against a group which is a better representation of her peers.
If you want more restricted groups, sure, why not? But the more groups there are, the more most sports will be diluted.
Thank you for the insight. I don’t watch or care about the Olympics or sports in general, so this whole conversation is moot. But to clarify, I was thinking more broadly about events at the Olympics, not just traditional sports. I’d think something like archery or fencing or something that’s not purely strength related would be more even.
There are some interesting cases. It took a long time for men to break into synchronized swimming, where women typically have the advantage. Archery still has some strength elements that could be relevant, but shooting should be pretty egalitarian and is still split, as far as I know.
I have never been particularly into sports, and stopped watching the Olympics very much when the amateur requirements were relaxed (when hockey was dominated by NHL stars). There may be some nuances I’m missing, and there is also the aspect of making a sport/competition more welcoming to women, such as women’s chess. While those are interesting social/cultural aspects, they have much less bearing on capabilities of a given sex/gender.
It would be dominated by men.
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Thats not necessarily true. Depends on the event.
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Having a choice of being in a men’s only vs an open category would allow them the choice as opposed to forcing all men to be in the open category, there by reducing the number of men entering in the open category. There would be less opportunity for that to happen.
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Men’s IS the open category
Thank you for clarifying.
To reiterate my reply to another user, I don’t really watch or care about the Olympics or sports in general. I just out of my ass about things I know nothing about.
Still seems weird to me, though.
They should also ban tall people from playing basketball. They have a potential physical advantage over short people.
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Tall people were born tall.
The tallest baby ever born was 28 inches tall. That’s 2’4”.
I’m not tall, but I’m taller than that.
I put it to you that babies are born short and grow over time.
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That’s a pedantic argument.
Dont try and speak logically about this
if they got surgery to reduce their size would you be okay with it?
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So the effort trans women put in to compete doesn’t count for anything, people just decide to transition to win sporting events, and trans women are men with a different body. Wow, you really hit the trifecta of shit takes.
Wow, those are quite the arguments I put forward in your head. I notice that you didn’t adress any of my questions about fairnes.
If you want to have a conversation please answer my questions. If you just want to hiss and spit I’ll take a pass.
There are no legitimate questions about the fairness of it:
https://www.genderjustice.us/commentary/trans-athletes-are-not-the-real-threat/
“In fact, after hormone therapy, trans women’s performance aligns with cisgender women’s performance.”
The key bit there being “hormone therapy”.
Your notion that men choose to compete as women so they can dominate is absolute, complete, 100% transphobic bullshit.
That’s not the way ANY of this works.
The real question to ask is why Republicans want to ban hormone therapy.
Sorry, it’s not worth having baby’s first “what is a trans person” conversation with you, which would be clearly needed before delving into the nitty gritty. Take that pass! Go somewhere else.
I’ve probably had trans friends since before you were born. Don’t lecture me.
You don’t want to have the discussion of fairness because it’s hard and chanting slogans, organizing boycots, and labelling anyone who doesn’t agree with the group thought a transphobe is easy.
If you want to have a converation, I’m here. If you just want to hiss and spit, I’ll pass.
No, they should get rid of men/women split and divide people into tiers. Each athlete would be assigned to tier based on his performance and we would have gold, silver and bronze medals in each tier. We would then say “Phelps won a Tier A gold medal in the Olympics” or “Williams won Tier D gold medal”. This way it would be 100% fair and non-discriminatory.
… its not the same at all. And no I won’t explain all the reasons why.
Fuck the Olympics. It’s corrupt, it’s full of cheaters and gamblers, and now more bigotry.
Weird how it’s only about trans women and never trans men.
They’ll just force them to compete against women, then when a trans man wins, it’ll be sold as “man pretending to be woman steals medals from women”, then extend the whole trans ban.
Sometimes it’s trans men, too. https://thetyee.ca/News/2025/11/10/Changed-Rules-Shut-Trans-Bodybuilder-Out-Competition/
Its weird? Really?
No… come on man, im sure you can figure this one out… youre playing dumb anyway.
What about the potential physical advantages of competing in women’s sport after being born strong?
They don’t give a fuck about fair competition so that’s irrelevant. This is just bigotry.
Of theres one thinf I know about babies, it’s that about half of them are born strong
you clearly dont know what youre talking about
There are none. That doesn’t stop bigots from pretending trans women on estrogen have any advantage.
Welp, time for the Queer Olympics to become a thing again.
A competition of the fastest, strongest, sweatiest gays…
In the greek tradition we will bring back the kynodesme.
Zero downsides
So uh… if you’re like me and don’t know what this is: If you do decide to google it, don’t open the wikipedia page on your work laptop…
This is just an excuse to attack trans people under the guise of fairness. It’s horrible
*This is an excuse for the Seven Mountain Mandate to “save people who wouldn’t otherwise understand from hellfire”.
“Under the guise of fairness”
Geezus good lordy. No one can even try to be fair anymore lest they be judged as being “homophobic”…
yall suck…
boycott the olympics then
Another reason to
If it wasn’t for the culture wars, it would be another Oscar Pistorius situation. Not the murder, the prosthetics.
For those who don’t know this guy was a runner whose legs were amputated, and he got replacement prosthetics that made him as good if not better than runners with natural legs. There was some debate if his disability actually gives him an advantage, if it should be allowed at all.
And proceeded to shoot his girlfriend on valentine’s day.
Blindly, through a bathroom door. Reading about that fucked me up.
The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades. This change is ridiculous. They might as well go back to chromosomal testing for athletes. It makes as much sense as this nonsense
The Olympic committee has had well established rules on transgender athletes for decades
What are they? The article says “leaving it for each sport to decide themselves.” which doesn’t sound consistent.
I’m not sure but I will comment anyway.
I believe each sport’s federation has rules they decide themselves and those are normally used but sometimes the Olympic Committee will ban a federation because of corruption or some mismanagement and take over organization of those specific events. They did it with boxing in the previous Olympics for example. When they do it they have to decide which rules will apply and looks like now they decided the default rules for all sports that fall under their jurisdiction. Last time with boxing they decided to use the same rules that were used 4 years earlier which meant some previously banned athletes where allowed to compete and a lot of participants complained.
Hmm. “Established” is factually correct but I’m not sure “well established” is a good description.
I think a lot of people are going to boycott these Olympics. The trump regime doesn’t deserve to host.
Even the reporting is biased; trans women aren’t born male.
What? I’m confused. Are you talking about how not all trans women are born males, that we have been women all along, or is this some new grammar I’m missing?
I’m saying trans women are women. They might be born with xy chromosomes most of the time, or they might be born with a functioning penis and testes most of the time, but they are still women.
It’s why we say “assigned male at birth” instead of “born male”.
Edit: I’ll clarify this even further by reminding everyone that being trans is not a choice, and most – if not all – of the current science shows that being trans is the result of fetal developmental changes of the brain in the womb.
Oh, thank you for clarifying. I did not notice that little bit. You are right though. That shit gets so suttle sometimes. Amab not “born male.” I honestly wouldn’t have caught that. Well, i didn’t haha.
It can be subtle and nuanced for sure! Some people probably thought my comment was ignorant or transphobic.
It definitely made me have to stop and ask. I’m glad i did. Thanks for being an awesome internet person 😊
What!?
Trans men are okay then? Sick, as long as the freaks don’t see them they’re safe
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This person above me literally thinks that people are willing to go through with making permanent changes to their bodies just to cheat at sports or be pervs in bathrooms or some shit and not to, you know, have their body match who they really are more closely.
Jesus Christ don’t put words in my mouth! See what I wrote, I never said it was the main reason they transitioned. I don’t even get how would you relate my comment to bathroom pervs.
Any arguments related to sports performance, which was my main point?
Or maybe trans women athletes just want to … compete in athletics? If you look at how successful the extremely small number of such athletes are, you will find that they succeed at completely normal rates.
Someone once pointed out to me “Oh but what about this one?” to which I replied, “Ah, so trans women athletes are only a ‘problem’ when they succeed.”
tl;dr: Go fuck yourself.
Any data you can throw at me before hurling insults? I find it hard to believe that their performance is on par with their female peers, specially in contact sports.
I thought you did research. Must have been too hard for you.
Is it unreasonable to ask for your research, when mine contradicts yours? Specially with the confidence you stated your facts.
Apparently, since you never did. Do I just need to use small words for you, so you can understand what’s being discussed?
If people are explicitly transitioning for that reason, sure. They transitioned years ago and have worked through the actual process of training in a sport they love: fuck them, I guess. A woman that has too high levels of natural T: Get outta here! Someone complained that you are cheating: hit the road!
This is the rhetoric that right wingers push, and is just a dangerous fucking road to travel.
Seriously. Imagine thinking that someone would put themselves through that kinda endocrine disruption, societal scrutiny/isolation, just for a trophy. I’m assuming from context clues homie said something along the lines of “what about dudes that transition so they get a competitive edge?”
There is no actual advantage, they are restricted from competing for 2 years after transitioning, and any advantage is already lost during the first year.
Basically, the problem was already solved decades ago. Since that 2 year period was implemented, there has -provably- never been a case of unfair advantage. Any of the ones hitting the news lately have all been disproven.
Anyone still trying to push for it now has not actually looked into it and believing disinformation spread by, at best ignorant people and at worst hateful people.
No one transitions with regards to how they will perform at sports. People transition for themselvrs, and some percentage of people also like competing at sports. They don’t want to never be able to compete again due to random unrelated or unaffected people not knowing they don’t have an advantage.
That is why people that say dumb stuff like you are doing, get downvoted. Please actually look it up, instead of just guessing and being another spreader.
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Here’s a study from 1997 about HRT and bone density, it’s about cis women though, I’m guessing youll advocate for post menopausal women to be banned from competition too?
although I presume you can’t read
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378512296010985
Probably don’t talk about people’s transitions if you have no clue what you’re talking about. Thanks!
Thanks for your prompt but superficial comment! I’ll give it the proper consideration!
Don’t bother. You have no idea what you’re talking about. The advantage you assume exists doesn’t. There’s no deluge of trans people overtaking cis people at any sport.
You’re fear mongering about shit you don’t understand remotely. Shut the fuck up.
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Do some fucking research then.
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No.
If you knew any trans people you would realise just how fucking stupid what you wrote is.
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Ignorant, hateful, ignorant, fearful, ignorant.
Just, really shitty and deeply misinformed.
