• ExtremeDullard@piefed.social
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    I’m old enough to remember the United States as a country that won two World Wars, won a Cold War, went to the moon, and had a reputation - deserved or not - as a shining beacon of freedom and democracy. Respected or feared by the entire world.

    Now it’s a country run by a paedophile fascist with dementia, elected twice by an equally mentally feeble populace - causing consternation and concern around the world.

    Americans should be ashamed of themselves. But of course they aren’t because they’re not actually capable of feeling shame.

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      I mean, I’m American. I had nothing at all to do with the state of America now. I have been doing what I can (protesting, good trouble, etc.) to oppose this shit before, during and after the election. I can’t really have shame for something that I had absolutely no part in and actively fought against for the past decade. I mean, I feel ashamed for my country and my loved ones, but I feel no personal shame because there are many of us who have actively been trying to undo this shit, no matter how impossible and foolish of a task that sounds like.

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      Took credit for winning world wars* Decided it won the cold war*

      It always has been run by fascist slave owners. Welcome to the real world, where america is and always has been shit stain on the history of the world.

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        I don’t necessarily disagree - hence my adding “deserved or not”, if you re-read what I wrote.
        But regardless of what you think, it had that reputation.

        And it doesn’t no more.

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        One could make a case for Putin winning the cold war by installing a puppet dictator in the USA. I mean he said he would, and he did. It’s pretty impressive, really. Not the stratagem in itself, it’s dumb as fuck, but he knew the Americans would be even dumber.

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        At least they tried to hide it, now they don’t.

        As for the cold war, if you consider the conflict USA-USSR they clearly won: Russia was, at least at some point, equally powerful to the USA technologically and militarly, what one did first, the other caught up pretty quickly, then the Soviet Government collapsed for various reasons, and they couldn’t catch up, now the USA is arguably the most technologically advanced country in the world, in many aspects.

        China is catching up, but they are in no way equally capable.

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      Americans should be ashamed of themselves. But of course they aren’t because they’re not actually capable of feeling shame.

      Some of us very much are.

      I’m also ashamed of the window lickers that let us get to this point too. We knew what this would bring, and here we are, laughing about the fascist pedophile finding out he took a shot to the mouth while him and his kiddie diddling friends destroy the country.

      I hate my fellow Americans.

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      the United States as a country that won two World Wars

      Contributed to winning two world wars.

      The U.S. didn’t carry the allies. Soviet and Chinese casualties far outstripped any American ones, and the amount of Indians thrown into the meat grinder on behalf of England during both of the World Wars is barely even mentioned. Then there’s civilian casualties. Was the wartime rationing bad? Sure, but it’s a piss take compared to Churchill’s Famine.

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        Also I’d like to point out that currently what is considered perhaps the best countries in the world, at least for the average citizen, the Nordics, probably wouldn’t be here, especially not in this form, had the Soviets actually managed to come through Karelia.

        Which my great-grandpa and uncle & other assorted family gave their lives to prevent. And we were technically fighting the Allies, mind you. (Finland wasn’t allied with Axis at any point though, officially. We “merely” cooperated a little, before having to fight the Nazis out of Lappland.)

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      The Soviets won WW2, and nobody won the Cold War.

      Should we keep going? How about the Vietnam war? Wonder why you skipped over that one… Korea? How did that one turn out again?

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      and had a reputation - deserved or not - as a shining beacon of freedom and democracy.

      As an European, I believe it was only in USian minds. Noone on the continent thought so, we always saw you to be weird religious nuts who keep legal slaves to this day. Oh, and you’re warmongers.

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      I always thought it was one of those made up school rumours that every kid in every corner of the world heard about somehow.

      Like that one about Marilyn Manson getting his lower ribs surgically removed.

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          And i bet you’re in a completely different part of the world from me.

          I went to school in the south west of Ireland in the 90s where internet access was even more of a myth than that rib surgery rumour and i still heard about it.

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            I mean, same here, in a way. Rural Finnish town in the 90’s.

            When my big brother first showed me the internet (once in the library as he had reserved an hour for himself) I actually thought it would be like a game or something, and was rather disappointed to see boring HTML sites. Why? Because everyone kept talking about “surfing the net”. “Browsing the world wide web” has much more boring connotations, I felt like. (Although back then I didn’t speak English so would not have known the phrase, but the equivalent term to “browsing.”)

            Until my brother showed me how to find guides and cheats for games! GameFAQs.