• NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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    I may be stateside but i’m still amazed that a party that’s supposed to be truly left-leaning is putting out alt-right policies in the U.K.

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    The Ministry of Justice said that possessing and publishing porn showing incest between family members and sex between step or foster relatives where one person pretends to be under-18 would be a crime.

    So it’s only a crime if they pretend to be under-18, and I haven’t seen any porno where anyone pretends to be under-18. There’s literally a category called barely 18. No one ever pretends to be under, but they do pretend to be barely-18.

    Jess Asato, the Labour MP for Lowestoft, said: ‘After many years of campaigning to ensure online pornographic content is subject to the same rules as offline content,

    When the fuck was under-18 porn ever legal? WTF? Also, isn’t the age of consent in the UK 16 years old?

    What the fuck is the point of this? Why the fuck is it needed? Who is it helping? What is it fixing? NOTHING.

    Fucking jokers… Go tax the billionaires and fix the NHS and the cost of the living crisis you cunts .

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      The thing is they really don’t have grounds to ban “step” porn, but this will make their supporters think “he is going after them gross porn people” while downloading a VPN. It might have a chilling effect on porn producers, for a few minutes, but unless your porn had an actor explicitly state “I’m under 18” you are probably ok. I know this is UK based but the whole point of the law " act cool for my voters" is pretty universal.

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      If you read further you see this, though:

      “Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent”

      So it’s not just if they pretend to be under 18. I think. I don’t know. I don’t think they know either. I think they’re trying to score cheap political points.

  • MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
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    As always, the first computers you should check when anyone tries to ban consensual porn that harms no one, are the computers of the ones proposing the ban.

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    I don’t really get this. If the characters in the production are adults and not blood related how is it different than roommate porn?

    • 🍉 Albert 🍉@lemmy.world
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      the UK loves to control adults. they banned face sitting porn. there was a law where you a had to ask your ISP to allow you to see adult content (with the default being off). but I’m not sure how/if it was enforced because I lived there when they made their law and had no issues.

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      where one person pretends to be under-18

      The performers may be adults, but it seems the key thing is an assertion that one or more of the characters are underage.

      Which seems easy enough, two 18 year old step siblings. In fact, I don’t know how often they ever explicitly state an age for a character nor anything that would definitively make them underage otherwise.

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        yeah im not big on fiction being censored. granted though in the modern age with computer graphics and ai it sorta gets wierd since its possible one could not tell. still with obvious classical style art it should not matter or with scripts or whatever. I mean there are a few well know porn actresses that are small and lithe and their schtick is generally a pretend to be underage. You 100% know they are adults becuase of their fame.

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        The logic of the people pushing this is all stepbro porn is asserting they’re underage because if they’re stuck in the same washing machine then they live together and that means they’re under 18 because British housing is very affordable. The British ban on face sitting and squirting porn got overturned with a ruling that you can’t ban porn of anything that’s legal irl. So now they’re looking for things in porn that they can construe as irl illegal to try to find something they can ban.

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          Someone needs to get up in Mahmoud’s face and say “You know what’s really obscene? Selling weapons to someone committing genocide! And kowtowing to a murderous, kleptocratic nonce and nonce-protector as well.”

          I wonder if they’ll ban sofa-fucking porn too, or if they’re too scared of Vance to even try.

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    Labour had a historical chance after the Tories have fucked it up so much, and they’re just doing shit all the time

    Hopefully the Green party can save UK

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    The most interesting thing about this is the fact that step siblings can have legal relationships and even marry under UK law, but depictions of their very legal sex lives are now illegal.

    I think someone might challenge this as a human right to expression infringement.

    For instance, you and your partner happen to be step siblings, but want to generate income on onlyfans. Now you can’t. Not because you are defacto doing anything illegal.

    Also, and here’s where it gets fun…

    Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.

    The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.

    Where does the law stand there? No one knows.

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      Where does the law stand there? No one knows.

      Be even worse in a few years when the paltry votes they scrounged up with this move are long forgotten and the law continues to punish and hurt people for literally no justifiable reason.

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        A person presumed to possess the legal capacity for consent cannot have sex with a person presumed to lack that legal capacity. The teenager is not restricted; the adult is restricted.

        When a camera is added, the law becomes inconsistent. The minor lacks the capacity to legally engage in sex, but is now (potentially) culpable in their own exploitation if they video themselves.

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      Imagine you and your partner do make sexy videos but then your respective parents hook up.

      The videos were made when you were not step siblings, but now you are.

      This is essentially my understanding of the origin of the trope. When I was growing up, both me and every single kid I knew’s parents were already or in the process of either getting a divorce or remarrying.

      So situations like Clueless and Drake & Josh were the norm, and it makes the trope all the more hilarious.

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      Well how could it not be? Genetically it’s just two random people, what would be the basis of making it illegal if at some point your parents hit off?

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        The basis to make it illegal is antiquated views of old white men how other people should live their lives according to how they see fit. Nothing more

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      Ah thus is about the porn nobody is actually a step sibling.

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    Step-incest pornography and that which depicts performers as children is abhorrent.
    Alongside banning strangulation in pornography which the government previously announced, tackling this vile content will make our country a safer place for women and children and shows the UK can lead the world in tackling violence against women and girls

    That’s it folks, step incest is violence against women and girls. Next up, in order to further protect them, they’ll be prohibited from going outside without a man by their side.

    Whoever asked “What’s next, BDSM?” - guess what

    The government has already made porn that shows women being choked illegal, after a review found videos like these had helped normalise it in real life.

    The only silver lining in this whole thing is still only in “planning”

    Ministers are also planning to make tech bosses personally liable if their platforms do not remove intimate pictures of people that are posted without consent.

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      The government has already made porn that shows women being choked illegal

      Haha, a lot of women I know are gonna be pissed about this…

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      Ministers are also planning to make tech bosses personally liable

      Uh-oh. Some MPs are about to get a call from their uhm… tech bosses.

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    The role of the government is not to decide what is abhorrent and what isn’t. The role of the government is to ensure protection of human rights, provide healthcare, run schools, build infrastructure and so on.

    Consenting horny adults being horny with each other and doing horny stuff to each other does not violate any human rights.

    The British government can go fuck itself.