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Every year I post a screenshot of my aunt’s rant about everyone dying from the covid vaccine in 3 years.
Every year people tell me that’s not polite, and every year I reply that admitting you were wrong is free.
being wrong in ways that kill people, naturally, is polite
I like to repost my mother-in-law’s posts about how she 100% guaranteed Russia wouldn’t invade Ukraine. (From 3 months before the start of the Ukraine war.)
Ouch, I said that too. I honestly thought Putin wouldn’t be that stupid, because the guerilla war that followed the occupation would be insanely costly.
But I’ll admit I was wrong.
To be fair, the guerrilla war that followed the occupation is, indeed, very costly
And Putin is indeed an idiot who’s allowed his ego to blind him
Yea, we thought it wouldn’t happen because of all the bad things that would happen to Russia as a result.
And all those bad things happened, and more.
But we forgot that when it’s about a dictator’s grip on power being on the line, none of that matters. It’s all about the dictator’s grip on power.
Is your aunt dead or does she get to live with the shame and ridicule? If she is dead, then this a definitely a way harder flex than if she isn’t.
I deleted my Facebook because I would be going scorched Earth on everyone, mostly family, in my friends list. I don’t associate with most of them IRL, but at least I haven’t put in writing my true feeling about them and people that think like them. My thoughts are abundantly clear on Lemmy behind the veil of anonymity.
Oh no, she’s alive. She occasionally posts weird US political shit while living in the UK…
Plus “bassturd” is awesome
I wonder what it’s like compared to a treble turd
A couple octives lower, less strings, but still poop.
Mmm, I need those strings though. It’s like flossing for the other end.
Mine are thicker with deeper ridges for max floss.
😳
I feel like I have a little extra right to be pissed off about this. I volunteered to be part of the first round of trials for the vaccine because I needed to feel like I was doing something to help. I literally risked my life to help develop this safe vaccine and now so many people are throwing that away.
Thank you for what you did. It was brave.
I took the vaccine 2 times as soon as it was available and then on the third round I had a severe adverse reaction and was in the hospital for a few days with myocarditis.
I had family members face time me and say “ I told you it was dangerous, now look where you are “
I still encourage people to take the vaccine. I believe my reaction was because I got the flu shot and covid vaccine in the same day.
I still have not had Covid. A few doctors have told me that if I were to get it I’d probably die because of how severe my reaction was to the vaccine. Each time I had it, I had severe pain in my left arm and weird sensations. Then the third time it got me.
Both my second and third shot had me sick as fuck for 6 hours, then suddenly just vanished. I later got covid and could barely move for a week. I’m really not sure I would’ve survived covid if I hadn’t had the shots.
I wasn’t part of the trials, but I was probably one of the first hundred or so people in my county vaccinated. I work in our 911 dispatch center and they were able to secure the vaccine for us and other essential first responder type roles, and I remember a lot of my doctor friends were still trying to figure out where they could get the vaccine at the time.
I worked nights at the time, went to the vaccine clinic after my shift. I remember they made us sit around for like 20 minutes to make sure we didn’t have any kind of immediate adverse reaction, no one did and I went home and went to bed. I woke up feeling fine, then a couple hours later I had some fatigue and chills and I ended up crashing early. Woke up feeling fine, and the only side effect from subsequent doses was that my arm was sore for a few days.
I figure if I worked a normal day shift schedule, and still got the vaccine in the morning the side effects probably would have hit me about when I was going to sleep anyway and I would have slept through them.
Thank you for taking that risk so the rest of us could have something to safeguard against covid
I work for this lady sometimes who has long covid. She has trouble getting upstairs without taking a break. She refused to take the vaccine, still does, and still calls it a hoax. Not taking the vaccine is the biggest win in her life. At least that’s what it feels like when she talks to me. And that is still pretty much the only thing she talks to me about.
You’re right in your feelings
I’d be enraged
And just so we are all clear: were there any noticeable side effects?
I felt really tired the next day. That was it.
No, and I got COVID multiple times via family, including losing small for a time. I suspect the lack of vaccine side effects was itself a clue that it didn’t activate anything in my particular immune system. I was doing everything I was supposed to do. Vaccine, boosters, N95 masks, social distancing, not eating out, no haircuts, only really shopping at the grocery store, etc. All that obviously worked for others, and I’m glad, but didn’t work for me.
When it happened, my mum kept telling me about how she had heard of all these cases of people dying after taking the vaccine as a way to scare me from taking it. I had to keep telling her that there would be 100 times more people that could potentially die from my choice to not take it, especially if I was an asymptomatic carrier.
She wasn’t wrong; people were dying after taking the vaccine. But that’s not because the vaccine killed them, it just wasn’t able to help them. Also at the time it was infuriating. Most people seemed to have about a week’s attention span where they followed guidelines, but after two weeks they no longer cared and COVID was “over”. They didn’t want to hear that this could take years, because they wanted to party and their motivated reasoning kicked in. Lost a lot of faith in humanity.
Loud idiots, the lot of them. They’re even profiting off you and everyone who got vaccinated and they’ll never believe it. But such is survivorship bias. One of the reasons we can’t have nice things.
Thanks for your service! Hope it went fine for you. First round of human trials can often be…rough.
I was not offered to participate in trials, but was among the first to vaccinate in the general population. Took my first shot at like the second day the vaccine got available. Thought of it then as a massive victory for humanity. Apparently, stupidity can absolutely overpower the most brilliant of minds.
stupidity can absolutely overpower the most brilliant of minds.
happens every time theres a global pandemic. exact same stupid shit happened with the spanish flu epidemic 100 years ago.
Remember, the smallpox vaccine will make you part cow, because it’s made from cow pox…
That one was closer to two hundred years ago. People just stay dumb.
Loud idiotic minority, don’t forget that
Since nobody asked: I got the shot and then contracted Covid while vacationing in the middle of nowhere. It was still really really bad, sickest I’ve ever been from a virus. If I wasn’t vaccinated, then I’d be dead now.
I got it November 2019 (I’m pretty certain) as a healthy early-20s in prime fitness and I nearly died alone in my apartment. I have never been that sick before.
You must have got the first version then, the biggest trap was the cytokine storm of a healthy immune system in heavily exposed younger people overreacting.
We forget how dangerous the initial, alpha and especially Delta variants were before omicron out competed them all.
There was a lot of people who weren’t aware of how horrible that first one was. We were among the 2019 wave before they even called it Covid, it was easily the worst sickness to land on us. No surprise people suffered long-covid or died after that.
Yeah, I got it in February 2020, and I thought I was gonna die. Me and my roommate, for 12 days in my apartment in Brooklyn. Even my cat got sick. It was the sickest I’ve ever been in my life, and I’ve had meningitis.
I definitely got vaccinated for several years after that. I got it five more times, but it was never worse than a mild cold.
I also got the shot and still got it. Thankfully I was home and had family to help. I was out of it for about 4 days. The only times I was awake was when I was coughing so hard I would pass out again. It was the sickest I’d ever been and while I probably wouldn’t have died from it, I’m incredibly grateful I didn’t have it worse.
There’s some real batshot politics going on in Europe right now, but every time I feel I’m going under, I look across the Atlantic and I see an army laid low with 'flu, a diarrhoea outbreak and a measles outbreak in 2026, and I think, y’know, maybe it isn’t so bad here.
I’m sorry you all have to endure this. It must make you feel like you are going insane. To deal with such blatant and brutal gaslighting anti-intellectualism.
I am going insane.
I think the absolute worst part is that I am the one being treated like I’m stupid for being college educated or for just having common sense.
Its like trying to talk and every time you do 20 toddlers scream and shit thier pants at the same time.
There’s a minority in the US that is both loud and smells. Unfortunately, they drown the rest of us out, and make a bad taste in everyone else’s mouth that I can’t blame them for.
The Anti-intellectualism has been a thing for years though, it’s suddenly exploded because it hit critical mass and they finally got one of thier guys elected while the rest of us were looking the other way (or in my case, too young to vote.)
Now? Being stupid is being smart. Being contrarian is being patriotic, money is God. Up is down, the sky is green.
I heard a teacher say Moscow was in Ukraine yesterday. No amount of pointing to it on a fucking map could convince her otherwise.
I am. Going. Insane.
I wouldn’t worry about the future too much, if you know what I mean.
Boomers are still largely sticking their heads in the ground, and they’re in the best position currently to do anything about it. Even my own mother, a lifelong democrat and trump hater, an educated woman (a librarian to boot) still thinks that climate change won’t really have much effect until I’m her age (about 30 years).
Humanity is still a good many years out from being ready to accept the responsibility of what we’ve done, and there are probably a lot less than a good many years until it starts having a profound effect on everyone’s day to day life.
it’s already having a significant effect today, at least here in Croatia (Europe) with each summer having worse heatwaves than the last.
Currently dying of heat in Zagreb. It used to be way less extreme and colder, and I am not even that old. In the last 6 years it has gotten exponentially worse year on year.
You forgot the screw worm infestation and the bacon recall …
Why do you need to recall bacon? Were the pigs fed diarrhoea salad too?
You have no idea. It’s unbelievably disappointing and frustrating. But it has reinforced (re-introduced?) that all politics is local and community resiliency and care is really super important. Even if all you can do it bake sourdough or mow lawns, or help with WiFi troubleshooting…do it. That’s how we survive this. There are infinite possible futures, we just have to imagine and live the one we want.
I wish I could go back to Europe
You were warned. 😂
About what? The dangers of using a stupid profile pic template on social media half a decade ago? It’s sad how desperate these anti-vaxxers are for a win.
You know, if someone told me ten years ago that the phrase “I’m vaccinated” would turn me on as much as “Want me to suck your dick?” I would have called them insane.
“I’ve been vaccinated so many times I’ve lost count. Yeah, I’m such a dirty slut for the vax. Pfizer, Moderna, they’ve all been inside me. Sometimes I don’t even know their names - if it’s mRNA I let them put it in.”
I was gang-vaccinated when I went into the military. Didn’t stand a chance.
That is actually a thing btw. They sit you down in a chair, check your vax records and update you with everything you need all at once.
Lol, this guy thinks that they looked at our vaccine records 😂 🤣 big dawg they gave us all the same vaccines. You don’t remember that every dude had to go through every station? It wasn’t like “OK you go through stations 1, 4, and 5 for mumps, flu, and xyz because you’ve already had xyz vaccines.” It was every dude getting every shot.
They did, or at least they did for us in the Canadian Forces. The medical staff were a bit surprised as I had some Asian exclusive stuff due to some of my travel when I was younger. We didn’t go to individual stations, instead we all got sat in the chair one at a time and they essentially conveyor belted those needles into us.
That brings back memories of a reddit comment I’m going to paraphrase poorly: the US handling of COVID was so shitty that you couldn’t get approval for it as a medical trial on ethics grounds.
The most tested and trusted vaccine in history, pushed into service after years of development leveraging SARS-1 and MERS, demonstrated efficacy, and we’re just not going to fucking use it?
Then, despite knowing everything we know about vaccines and germ theory and how disease spreads, we’re just going to make the flu vaccine optional, but only for one branch of the military? And people INSTANTLY started getting the flu with at least one death from it. At least we have a brand spanking new datapoint about what happens if vaccines got Thanos-snapped.
I am more than half convinced that there’s a group of people at a high level in the US that are treating this whole thing like that story from the bible about the soldiers drinking water and going into war with a smaller army is proof that god helps them. That would go a long way towards explaining the advanced munitions usage as well.
You guys got a chair?
I walked past a line of vaccinators while in a line of other sorry SOBs, and we all got vaxxed one after another, assembly line style.
It was a nice chair. Or at least it was at St. Jean Sur Richilieu.
Pfizer, Moderna
And, as always, everyone’s forgotten that poor NovaVax exists.
Being serious for a moment: NovaVax is made in the “traditional” away vaccines have been made, which is good if you know someone who’s anti mRNA vaccines. It has less and less severe side effects than Pfizer or Moderna. It’s not quite as effective as the mRNA vaccines - but it tends to last a bit longer as well. It provides a different ‘template’ for recognizing covid, so it broadens your protection in that way.
One drawback is that if you want NovaVax in the spring, you need to get it early, as the batches tend to expire around April. (I time my shots for mid-May [max summer protection] and mid-to-late October [max winter protection].) I think I’ve had 3 Modernas, 4 Pfizers, and 4 NovaVaxs to date …
And Pfizer is just the large scale producer, not the developer. That would be BioNTech, who licensed Pfizer to produce their vaccine. A classic tale of US-American hijacking of the laurels.
“Talk dirty to me”
“I believe in basic science…”
“Hnnnngh, I’m gonna explode”
Sounds about right.
One of my favorite parts of the covid vaccine thing, other than not getting covid, was how the goalposts kept being dragged a month or two back when the shots didn’t kill me. My favorite interaction was someone telling me the jab would kill me in 30 years. I was 40 at the time. Im sure something will get me in 30 years, lol.
Warned about what
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Prestigious health science man is put in kangaroo court and refuses to play ball.
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“Guess that means all science is wrong!”
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3. “Bet you regret getting vaccinated now!”
???
Yeah that’s what I was saying with my #2
that’s what I was saying with my #2
What a shitpost.
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Flat earthers all need to try this one weird trick. Around the 5th or 6th floor of beachfront hotels you can start seeing the curvature of the Earth versus straight lines. An example would be a railing on about balcony, line the ocean up in the center and sure enough two edges will be dipped down below that. My problem is so many of them like this gentleman have something to sell, it’s all a grift
They’ll just come up with some nonsensical excuse. Look at the ones that setup experiments in ‘Behind the Curve’. They setup I think 2 different experiments that show results you would expect from a spherical earth and they hand wave it away. You can’t logic someone out of a belief they didn’t logic their way into.
There is no way to reason with a flerf. They are either lying/trolling, so won’t WANT to reason, or complete idiots, who are uncapable of doing so.
There was a funny one where someone debunked flat earth using the flat earther’s own photograph where you could see the curvature if you zoomed in.
I went to school with this clown. He was always a peice of shit troublemaker that couldn’t pass a single class if his life depended on it. He tried to fight teachers. Not surprised at all this is how he ended up.
I love how it’s always ‘nasa lies’ with these people, ignoring ancient greece entirely. Also weirdly hand waving the planets we can see with a few pieces of glass…
Got three shots of vac. Two were part of two does one vaccine thingie, third one was standalone (another vaccine).
The first two kicked my ass. I got fever, exhaustion, weakness and joint pains lol. Both times. On one hand, yay, free day from work. On the other tho it wasn’t fun. Turns out sick days ain’t fun if you’re actually sick for most of them.
Third one was fine. It was also I believe a year later, so maybe my immune system finally kicked in. If I had covid at some point, I didn’t know it.
The feeling sick part is your immune system. :) Most of the feelings we associate with getting sick are the immune response rather than the actual sickness.
The tired feelings are your body telling you to stop moving because it’s busy, and also burning energy doing stuff. Joint pain is mostly various tissues getting puffy to make it easier for immune cells to move around. (For sickness. Crunchy ankle is different)The first two were staggered to maximize the immune response if I recall right, and they also had a bit more kick to them that we tapered down as we learned more about how it all worked.
By the time the next round came about everyone had internalized the vaccine, been exposed and just kicked the living shit out of the virus a few times, and the virus mutated to be a bit weaker.a little fun fact, TNF-A IS the enzyme, that causes the sick feeling, and triggering/cascade for the other symptoms of feeling sick.
The first few Covid vaccines made my eyes bleed, like get blood in the white part of my eyes, and messed up my cycle for months. My eyes don’t bleed anymore but it still tends to mess up my cycle. I still get Covid boosters since I’m immune compromised
i took J and J one, it knocked me down for the whole day, and the pain lasted a whole week. i think i got the MRNA ones ever since.
Probably unpopular opinion, but both sides are wrong here. Not necessarily to the same degree. As usual with any issue that is presented as binary, black vs white, with nothing in between.
Of course, vaccines in general are incredibly helpful. A lot of us wouldn’t be here today if we weren’t vaccinated for various diseases as children.
However, that alone should not be the sole focus of the discussion. It ignores a lot of crucial context.
Vaccines are safe and effective because they go through extensive testing that usually takes years. During the pandemic, at least one major company - namely Pfizer - skipped most of that process, and then lied about results. Not to save lives, but to make money. To be the first to get that government contract.
Regardless of the entire pro- vs anti-vax discourse, this is something Pfizer should be held accountable for. People died needlessly because the CEO wanted another yacht. And because some governments let him.
The problem on the pro-vax side is that people are largely ignoring that, and so are essentially advocating for corporate interests. The anti-vax’s side’s problem is more obvious, so no need to repeat it.
Both sides are blindly arguing about one thing while ignoring everything else. As is usual with public discourse in 2026. That’s what the elites want. People arguing whether vaccines work or not, instead of holding companies like Pfizer accountable for profiting off a pandemic, and putting those profits before people’s lives.
During the pandemic, at least one major company - namely Pfizer - skipped most of that process, and then lied about results.
Which, ironically, is a lie. Spread by the far-right antivaxx crowd.
That’s not an unpopular opinion. That’s a truckload of bullshit with no sources or coherency.
The part they skipped was the whole waiting ages before even getting a response from regulating bodies thing. They got fast tracked on all the paperwork so they could get to trials quicker. There was tons of money and political will behind getting the vaccines tested ASAP.
The thing that it was never tested for (at least when released) was transmission prevention. Nobody ever claimed it was tested for transmission prevention. It was tasted for safety and efficacy in preventing severe COVID in the person receiving the vaccine. Later studies confirmed that for most variants, it also reduced transmission rates, but for Omicron in particular it only reduced them for a short period after the shot. That testing is what people were yelling about 4 years ago. And nobody lied about it, despite the claims that are circulating.
I actually never heard about this one, so can’t really comment.
I was mostly referring to the following two things:
- Number of ‘adverse reactions’ that wasn’t disclosed until long after vaccinations
- Pfizer and FDA agreeing to publicize the clinical trial data very slowly over decades, until about year 2100
Now, taking a closer look at both, it seems I may have read misinformation and gravely misunderstood the situation. For some reason, even people with PhDs in medicine are spreading what now looks to me like false claims online, which is troubling.
First one - ‘adverse reactions’ seems to be a pointless statistic, since it’s all kinds of adverse reactions, regardless of nature or link to the vaccine. So now I’m not sure why it’s even included in the documents. In any case, I can’t find any source for links between Pfizer’s vaccines and these reactions, so I’ll have to assume they never occurred or were negligible.
Second - I’m a little confused here. Many sources claim Pfizer’s clinical trial data was going to be published so slowly (taking several decades in total) due to FDA’s FOIA office only having 10 staff members.
Now that sounds odd. Shouldn’t all these documents be published ASAP? Surely it’s not standard procedure to publish half of the data long after everyone affected is dead? And in the end, they did publish it all almost immediately after a court order, so it looks like it was entirely possible.
All in all, there are some circumstances that look suspicious, which is just enough to form believable-sounding, but probably false theories. Especially by medical doctors, who are supposed to be the source of truthfull information.
While I can’t say I’m 100% convinced Pfizer did nothing wrong - I also can’t say there’s nearly enough evidence to claim it did. Admittedly, I should have read more on the subject before posting. I’ll definitely have to review my usual sources for presence of misinformation. I’ll also happily read more if anyone has anything good to share.
No, they fucking didn’t. The skipped parts of the vaccine development process with Operation Warp Speed was just bureucratic hurdle. Clinical trials were NOT skipped.
I don’t believe there were any deaths from the Pfizer vaccine in the United States. The only deaths I know of are from the Janssen vaccine, which was pulled off from the market rather quickly.
You’re stupid
Don’t breed
One quick look at your profile shows that you’d do well to follow your own advice.
Do you have a crush on me?
It sounds like you have a crush on me.
I got vaccinated as soon as I could and wore good masks when I went out. My adult son brought it home, so I caught it anyway. I didn’t wear the mask at home. It was like the flu for me, which I had several years before.
I’m mad at our government, the billionaires, and the media for polarizing this for political gain. I’m less mad at the people who fell for it because stupid gonna stupid. I was surprised, however, at how many fell for it. That was the beginning of my awakening to just how many stupid people there are.
i was vaccinated, but my dad brought it home, because he dint get a booster, he felt almost the full force of covid, in '23, i had like super mild symptoms(weakly positive) i had already 2 other boosters by then. then last year he brought home again, and i had a more severe symptoms that time, a very painful sore throat with constant phelgm production, while he had a 1 day fever, and i had fever with chills, aches, for 3 days. almost no nasal symptoms except from the irritation of the covid, and the coughing was due to phelgm in the airways, and not like that of having the cold or the flu. it also suppressed my atopic dermatitis.
Why make fun of someone that died? Sure the person might be stupid antivaxxer, but still a person that passed away.
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Honestly I don’t care about such people. There is plenty of science to prove the benefits of vacins. Just try to find someone with Polio. They know they don’t just endanger themselves, they know they endanger other people as well. They put elder people and babies at risk. And why? Because they want to be edgy or one up to people who actually put in the effort to get an education?
And the world is a better place
Every antivaxxer who dies is a win for society
I lost a friend trough covid, before there was a vaccine
One day some day I met some ex colleague, and out of the nowhere he told me how proud he was that he didnt got vaccinated. We didnt even talked remotely about covid.
I just looked I’m into the eyes and told him I wish that he would have died instead of my friend.
So yeah. I will never stop laughing about “proud anti vaxxers” who died, because those people are scumbags who think they are an solution nobody asked about.
