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This is why regulations are important.
Functional regulations are why you don’t vote for conservatives.
Source: I live in a valley that used to have way worse air quality until stricter SMOG and gasoline refinement laws took effect.
I was born in Christchurch, New Zealand, and as a child in the 70s and 80s we had smog warnings where you weren’t allowed outside.
It’s not a big city, but the topography meant that pollution would sometimes get trapped over the city by the surrounding hills. Obviously it’s not like that now, but I’m sure it’s why we all got asthma.
This is kind of misleading. Delhi commonly experiences fog in the winter months. Since the same weather conditions that form fog (atmospheric stability) also cause pollution to accumulate rather than blow away, the city gets AQI spikes and fog at the same time. The photo on the right is smog, but also representative of what you’d see if there were no air pollution.
For real. I can cherry pick photos of Seattle that gives the safe effect.
It’s one of the most disappointing legacy of the pandemic for me. The people.
The environment got better. Some people were not forced to commute any longer. We had an opportunity to start freeing ourselves from capitalism and move into a post-capitalist society.
But no. We doubled down on capitalism and even went into tribalism. I read so many comments of people saying they were missing their time lone from their family while stuck in traffic, and were eager to go back to the office. Now a few years later, those that could still work from home or remotely are demanded to go back to their office. Even if it’s not necessary. For team spirit!
I didn’t have high hopes about climate change and our policies before the pandemic. And now I’m entirely cynical and convinced we will not do anything. We will not reach any goals to avoid climate change. We will go head first into it. Because fuck you, I’m not letting go of my car and my lifestyle! I want cheap gas! Give me cheap gas!
To say nothing of the mask shit. People really are so disappointing.
I mean, if everyone in a workplace is almost always working from home, there’s basically no way for new people to get into the job. I know that commutes can be brutal in some parts of the world, but maybe you should fix that instead of putting on the bandaid that everyone should just work remotely.
You do get a lot more done by actually interacting with your colleagues. Plus it can be pretty nice as well. We should expect it to be nice to go to work and interact with the people who do the same job. If it’s not nice, something is wrong and we should fix it.
Also, if we don’t see our colleagues, how in the fuck are we going to organize?
It depends on your type of job. I have been working remotely on and off for a bit more than a decade, and video calls are a thing. Virtual meetings are a thing. I can call my coworkers, see them, talk to them. Even if I’m not in front of them. We can organize just fine without the needs to smell each others farts.
And as an introvert, I prefer it that way. We’re not all extroverts that want to waste multiple hours of our life, unpaid, stuck in traffic, just so others can “interact face to face” with us.
In fact, you kind of sound like my manager that wants me to go back to the office a few days a week for “team spirit”. My team is all remote and we’ve been working like this for years. But now, suddenly, it’s not good enough. She wants to see our faces to foster team spirit. And to be quite honest, I will quit before being forced to needlessly spend energy to go to the office.
I know a lot of other people in that situation. In my country, federal workers that could do their job remotely were given that right during the pandemic. And now, after a few years, apparently, they really really need to be in an office and supervised for their job to be done.
To me, again, depending on your type of work, the organization “problem” is made up BS just so managers can surveil and monitor “their” employees.
See here’s the thing. The commute doesn’t need to be the nightmare that you’re describing. A country with developed infrastructure can get you to your job on foot or by bicycle in 5-10 minutes. A culture that doesn’t expect and demand that has a problem, and the fix isn’t to just do all interaction by screen.
I know I sound like your manager, because managers get talking points that have been distilled for them by PR firms, that have picked out the reasonable and good arguments for their position, and then they corrupt it for their own agenda. But I am not your manager, and I’m not some “extrovert” either. I’m just someone who doesn’t want to interact with other people only through a screen and only at designated times, i.e. a normal person.
When I talk organization, I don’t mean organizing the work, by the way. I mean: organizing the anti-work.
Yeah no that’s just plain wrong. Even in countries with good infrastructure/public transport it can still take ages to get to work, even if you live in the same city. Cities are just too big; you can’t really choose to live close to your workplace, especially in this current housing crisis.
You make it sound it’s a black or white thing (not racially ofc, but in a binary sense). Hybrid working would solve both issues; it reduces traffic without losing the social component completely. Most people don’t need/want 100% home office; just having 2-3 days a week where you can work from home would already be a complete gamechanger, because you gain a lot of flexibility.
I never said that nobody should ever work from home. I fully agree that working from home should be an option, and I think there are multiple good ways to do it. Might be you can do half the day from home, or as you suggested 2/5 days from home.
I’m just saying that the demand that workplaces should basically be deserted as senior workers work almost entirely remotely is unsustainable. New people aren’t going to actually learn how to do their jobs properly that way. And I don’t think most people want to spend their lives at home.
This unfortunately, too real. It’s really unfortunate that way too many people like them exist
Greetings from Hanoi. We had a similar experience here.
I’ve cross-posted this to “Actually Infuriating” where it belongs.
they wont have to worry about sunburns, because there is no sun available.
Good lord… I wonder if overall things were healthier for them during the pandemic than now.
It is very similar to how people in the UK were actually healthier during WWII as the food rationing program meant they weren’t eating a total shit diet.
They also got more exercise as more of the population was engaged in physical labor (women’s land army) and factory work to produce food and war goods.
Oh that is an interesting part I never knew.
We should go no pollution days, so no cars, only renewable energy use. Weekends you can pollute with cars
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_pollution_in_Delhi
Air pollution in Delhi, the capital of India, was found to be one of the most lethal of any city in the world in an August 2022 study of 7,000 world cities by the US-based Health Effects Institute.[2] Air pollution in India is estimated to kill about 2 million people every year. India has the world’s highest death rate from chronic respiratory diseases and asthma according to the World Health Organization.[3] In Delhi, poor air quality has irreversibly damaged the lungs of 2.2 million children.
On 25 November 2019, the Supreme Court of India expressed their sentiments on the pollution in Delhi, saying “Delhi has become worse than narak (hell)”.[4] Supreme Court Justice Arun Mishra remarked that it is “better to get explosives, (and) kill everyone.”[5]
During the COVID-19 pandemic lockdown in India, the air quality in Delhi significantly improved.[6][7]
India’s Ministry of Earth Sciences published a research paper in October 2018 attributing almost 41% of air pollution to vehicular emissions, 21.5% to dust and 18% to industrial emissions.[8]
If the largest single factor is vehicle emissions, I wonder how far people there typically go. Like, if it’s people who are only driving around the city, that might be a good candidate for EV use.
EDIT: Sounds like they’re already on it, just started some major push.
Delhi’s new EV Policy 2.0 introduces financial subsidies for electric vehicles starting July 1, 2026, and implements a phased ban on new petrol/CNG vehicle registrations (including petrol two-wheelers by April 1, 2028), though existing registered petrol vehicles can still be legally driven
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Delhi will stop registering new petrol and CNG three-wheelers from January 1, 2027. Registration of new petrol two-wheelers will also end from April 1, 2028.
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The ban applies only to new vehicle registrations. Existing petrol vehicles, or those bought before the 2028 deadline, can continue to be used legally until the end of their permitted lifespan.
Highway there is like literal hell, 50 ppl sharing one lane, you are quite literally bumper to bumper on the highway going highway speeds, youll see 3-5 ppl sharing one moped somehow, like poor families that need to travel for whatever reason.
Somehow no one crashes, no turn signals, just constant never ending honking which lowkey feels like sonar. (they can tell the distance without looking)
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typical… it’s always nocer out when you can not go out.
til lemmy has never heard of inversions. Then they spread pictures of inversions like it’s pollution.
Please never think you’re smarter than reddit. You ain’t.
Hmm having lived in an inversion area I am going to have to ask what do you think is “in” an inversion!?
Several days’ worth of accumulated pollution trapped in a tiny area, which was my whole point to begin with. Passing this off as regular pollution is wild.
In your eyes is it ever okay for there to be enough pollution such that even during an inversion (as you’re claiming) that a city should look like it does on the right of this picture?
Because my answer is no. I don’t care if it’s L.A. or London or New Delhi or Beijing, I don’t think that amount of pollution is healthy. Or I know it isn’t, I don’t think it should be acceptable and we should be building towards a society in which that doesn’t happen.
I am glad you clarified that. Thank you. At first it felt like you were saying that inversion layers don’t hold pollution.
Obviously inversion exists without humans, but if humans are present it will trap their pollution locally until it goes away.
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Damn
And a brand new sun gets buried alive roughly twelve hours after it sprouts. /s
Without additional data, this only tells me that visibility is lower and the lighting has changed.
