Just the other day I was listening to this song by the Grateful Dead:
"Sometimes the light’s all shining on me …
Sometimes I can barely see …
And lately it appears to me
What a long strange trip it’s been. "
It’s not about temperature, it’s about condensation and humidity. Turn on the AC regardless of temp (e.g. even if it’s cooler out and you’re blasting the heat) and the defog too.
Source: I fucking live in Seattle and it fucking rains all the time
but if I leave the AC on cold for too long I get mini fogs where the air blows
Open the window.
When I press the defrost button in my car, it turns both the heat and AC on at the same time. I assume this is to remove water from the air with the AC, then warm up the air increasing its capacity to hold water with the heat.
Yall have a defrost button?
Your assumption is correct Also your car automatically calculates the condensation point and keeps the temperature and air moisture low enough not to cause any fogging on your windshield. Source: I’ve been programming AC unit controls for cars for the last 10 years
They only do this with the automatic controls not basic knobs right? Apparently affected what filter I had to get.
Yes of course. The old school manual controls are usually mechanically connected directly to the flaps, so you cannot have any automated handling there
Thanks, just didn’t know how far we strayed, my first car had separate keys, apparently the new one can detect air quality and automatically close, new is also relative.
How upset do you get when your buddy disables auto and proceeds to slam back and forth between full heat and full ac while claiming their shitty dial dj set is somehow waaaaay better than the computer?
That’s an instant un-friending offence
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in a lot of newer cars they can actually use the A/C to heat and cool the car, rather than using excess engine heat or an electric heater which is especially helpful when it’s cold and you’ve only just started the engine!
I assume you mean EVs with heat pumps? I don’t know of any ICE vehicles that do this, seems inefficient to waste mechanical or electrical energy when you have perfectly good waste heat to use upon reaching operating temperature (though you may need to use an aux heater before reaching that, particularly on diesels)
Lots of new EVs have heat pumps, in cold climates they need it because the car doesn’t generate enough heat just from running.
It’s also an emergency safety heat bleed if your engine is overheating, redirecting some of the heat from that engine block can save your radiator some trouble and keep it going a few more miles
My car is a diesel so it takes a long time to warm up in the winter. They added an electric auxiliary heater to compensate. The air is really hot within seconds.
My car is an EV, so it definitely does this because there’s no excessive engine heat to use.
The fog is moisture condensing on the cold windshield surface. Use heat directed at the windshield with AC on. The AC dries out the moisture and the heater warms up the surface preventing additional condensation.
If it’s already cold, you don’t need to turn the AC on. The air will be dry once it gets warmer.
Defrost setting uses the AC unit. Helps pull moisture out of the air
Air conditioners pull moisture out of the air by making it colder, reducing the amount of moisture the air can hold. Its not doing anything if the air is already colder than the air conditioner can go. The air conditioner will only help if it’s 55F/13C or more, where it will only fog up if you live somewhere very humid.
I know Google and the AI say otherwise. I am an HVAC engineer, and Google and the AI are wrong.
Air conditioners make it cold inside the unit at a condensation surface, collecting the water from the humid air there.
But that’s not how you defog a window, you heat the window until the air in contact with it can hold more water and so the water evaporates faster due to both water and air temperature. THEN this air can be pulled back into the AC to deposit it there with condensation.
Window / mirror defog doesn’t work like regular dehumidification that way. Especially not in cars / bathrooms where you might be having a too high stream of humid air coming in, then you focus on one surface (and since the windshield don’t tend to have heating wires, it uses the AC hot air)
I don’t have a side in this but both my ‘93 Ford Escort and my ‘01 Ford Crown Victoria would turn on the A/C compressor if you hit the Defrost button for the windshield.
Edit: Just searched it and I think you two are in a semantic misunderstanding.
The moist air freezes to the coils of the ac unit, which is than heated by heated air and drips out of the vehicle through a condensate drain.
How do you not understand that basics of an air conditioner? It doesn’t just cool, it conditions the air.
I’ve never found a more confidently incorrect bunch than HVAC people. I’ve never understood what it is about that profession specifically that causes people to just turn their brains off. See also: the absolute disdain for heat pumps and the absolute insistence on massively over sizing furnaces everywhere by HVAC technicians.
That doesn’t even make any sense. Is it cold air depositing frost onto the coil, or hot air melting the frost? It can’t be both. You know that frost building up on coils is a huge problem that breaks air conditioners, right? Frost clogs the air stream, and creates a feedback loop where the coil gets way colder than it’s designed to because air can’t pass through.
I could have been more specific: the air conditioner can be useful in rainy or foggy warm conditions where the air conditioner can still cool the air further, and a car air conditioner goes colder than a home air conditioner does, around 38-45F (3-7C). It can also help if something in the car is adding moisture to the air, like if the occupants are sweating. However, when it’s just a cold day fogging the windows, the air conditioner does not help. It does not have a mechanism to dehumidify the air other than to cool it. Turn the temperature up to warm the interior surface of the windows.
Uhhh… why do you think they have defrost cycles?
If you turn off the ac for a short period of time, you run heat over the coils to remove all the accumulated frost, snd switch over again. This just used air instead of heating the coils with a reverse loop. It constantly cycles this loop to accumulate frost and remove it. It can be both, the coils are colder than the air, it accurate condensate, just like your glass. Why does your glass collect moisture if you claim this scenario is impossible….?
You say others are just using Google and ai, but clearly you’re the one using those tools and have no experience. Or did you just start school and it’s your second day?
Coil freeze over like you’re talking about is from an improperly sized unit, the defrost cycle can’t work properly.
But all acs collect moisture and have condensate lines, even home ones
Car defrost cycles are explicitly for the windows, not the coils. You still haven’t explained the magic mechanism by which an air conditioner dehumidifies air that’s colder than the coils, just pointed to the existence of condensate like that makes your point somehow. I already covered that the air conditioner can dehumidify air cycling through the car if humidity is building up from something inside it.
The coils are not designed to freeze. Ever. Having to manually defrost the coils by turning off the A/C (you have to do it manually because no system is designed to work this way, because that would be a stupid design) and run warm air through it means your system is malfunctioning.
Take the last word, if you want. Arguing on the internet is pointless.
Wouldn’t it be more efficient to pass the cold dry air back over the hot side heat exchanger to increase its moisture caring capacity before blowing it at the glass?
You know like a dehumidifier?
Probably, but the hot side of the car’s AC is outside of the car typically in front of the radiator.
I want to be able to blow hot air at my ice cold windshield in the -20°C Canadian winters, but American car designers are all like “oh you want to use the windshield vent? you must want the AC turned on!”
This isn’t just an American car thing, non American brands do this as well. That’s because it’s a good idea. The heater core has way more capacity than the AC, so the air coming out of the vent will still be warm. But running the AC is still a good thing, because it gets the moisture out of the air.
Without running the AC the humidity in the car shoots up and takes a while to clear, with the AC on the humidity stays controlled. This helps clear the windscreen sooner and helps with comfort in the car. It also prevents mold, which if you live in a cold but humid place, can be very annoying. It is very normal where I live to have the AC on in fall and winter, because otherwise the humidity inside the car is very uncomfortable and can easily cause mold all over the interior.
I would like to have the choice, because of fuel concerns.
i’ve never fiddled with an a/c system that denies you the choice, but i haven’t fiddled with them all yet.
If it’s a cold winter day it’s dry outside. Just open your cabin circulator to bring in outside air, and you don’t need to use the extra gas to run the AC.
If you’re in an equatorial area, foggy windows will be because of unbelievably high humidity in hot to boiling weather, which WILL require AC because you can’t just suck in more wet air and make it hotter and expect that to work.
This is wrong based on the assumption that it works the same in all areas of the world, but I’m not sure if this is -10 votes wrong.
Especially considering some of the other posts I’ve seen on here and how they get voted on
This can be correct in northern winters, with very high humidity this will only fog the windshield much worse.
You cant have high humidity when its cold, doesnt depend on the location.
100% humidity at 0°C is ~20% humidity at 25°, which is pretty dry.
I guess cold is a relative term. I’m from Wisconsin- we can have 100% humidity at 65 degrees sooooo
65°F so 18°C, and thats what you call cold? :D Then yeah, heater without AC will not clear your windshield up.
if that’s your high, it’s mildly cold. depends on the wind… if it’s your low, then dear god it’s hot
I’ve tried that. It only made things worse.
crack a window
Always use heat. Anytime you have a fogged up window heat will cause that moisture to evaporate. Cold will always make the window cooler which causes more condensation.
Air conditioning will remove moisture from the air while cooling the cab, so the condensation can only form on the outside, where you have wind and windshield wipers to wipe off the condensation.
Nope
If your windows gets foggy you need to turn up the heat as that lowers the relative humidity and direct the air towards the windshield, also check below the floor mats for water. If your car is a swimming pool your windows will be foggy forever.
Counter intuitively, you want to turn the a/c on as that pulls the moisture out of the car.
During winter when a vehicle is defrosting, it runs a combination of ac and heat to defrost windows and condition the air to limit moisture condensing on the interior.
If your car has that, then yes.
Every time. And I’m halfway through life. I could do a web search, but who ever thinks of that except when this happens? Will I do a web search now? No. I have other stuff to think about. And so it goes.
People in comments assume the heat or air conditioning even work.
Air conditioning also rapidly reduces humidity, so that tends to be the ideal option.
But if neither heat nor air conditioner work, well tough it out and roll the windows down…
If neither the heat or A/C work, you shouldn’t be driving that POS on the road.
Buy them a new car then?
My truck doesn’t have working heat and never had AC, and I will never stop driving that POS.
Just because the ac/heat don’t work it’s automatically a POS that’s not road worthy?
Depends on the part of the world and season. It wouldn’t be roadworthy to drive in freezing temps without heat on the windshield
If your car windows are totally fogged up, you cannot clearly see what is in front of your car and therefore, your vehicle is not safe to operate.
Yes.
Our heater does work, just no blower motor, so if we need heat, just open the vents and drive for airflow.
Our air conditioner unfortunately does not work, but we have manual windows that roll down by hand for airflow.
And today I just happened to install a fan on the dashboard.
Yes it’s a piece of shit truck, but ignoring the ‘luxury’ features that cost more than the truck itself to fix, it’s pretty darn reliable.
See my previous posts regarding Kermit the 96 Sonoma for reference. More reliable than new model Ford trucks that brick themselves because rainwater got into the taillight assembly…
Your blower motor probably does work, but the resistor assembly hooked up to the knob that controls its speed is most likely blown. This was the case with my truck when I got it and is rather common. Thirty four bucks will solve that problem for you, and it just plugs right in.
The entire right side of the dashboard is missing, all the way down to the firewall, no thanks to the previous but now deceased meth tweaker owner.
There’s no fixing everything on this truck, short of dumping enough money into buying 4 more scrap trucks for spare parts…
That would not be street legal here. Must have a functional defroster if the vehicle has a windshield.
“Here” is an important word! I assume you are Canada based. I live where we rarely or ever get freezing temperatures, and only decently started having warm/hot summers. Why would defrosting or ac be mandatory in such climate?
It never rains there?
We have wiper blades?
On the inside of the windshield from condensation?
Well I take it we’re not in your state or country. Mississippi here, we no longer have vehicle inspections. And this is respected even in other states that do require vehicle inspections. They’re like yeah fuckit, half the windshield is cracked, but it’s from Mississippi, so nothing Louisiana can do.
Down here, we’re half-professional rednecks that try our best to keep our own vehicles running. As long as it starts, runs, stops, shifts gears, steers, and has all the critical lights working, it’s fine.
Hood, trunk, windshield, front grill, rear bumper, doors, heat, air conditioning, etc luxuries are all optional here. As long as it runs, stops, and steers is basically what all Mississippi cares about, plus lights at night. And other states have to observe our very lax vehicle requirements too.
I’m still working on some of the finer things, like it needs a horn, but generally speaking the truck runs pretty damn good to be 30 years old.
Temp isn’t as important as ac
Do they not make cars with Defrost buttons anymore?
That’s REAR defrost. Front defrost is on the left, and yes, all cars still have that.
Useful mnemonic: Rectangle for Rear defroster, Fan for Front defroster
here’s a useeful mnemonic. Fuck You For Giving Correct Mnemonics
it stands for the great lakes next year
Umm, no shit Sherlock? It’s literally in the picture I lifted from wikihow - just happened the rear one is circled.
Here, let me provide a version suitable for your comprehension level:
How were they supposed to know you didn’t circle it? Don’t be a knob, easy mistake
ORANGE CIRCLES??? oh what a world
the fuck. that’s a white circle, not a red circle. i’m so confused.
They make cars with buttons? I thought ever car made after 2020 had an tablet taped to the dashboard …
If you have a fancy new car without one just yell at your on board AI system until you start crying and then the tears are more blurring than the fog and you just don’t care anymore.
Defrost turns on the AC and blows cold air. That temporarily removes the fog and keeps the cabin cold. The alternative is to use max heat and let the hot air raise the cabin temperature which will help clear the fog.
And it stays gone too. Using cold causes the fogging to return if hot air or the heater is used in the cold car. The defrost button is a myopic solution which ignores user comfort.
Atleast you have a car
The best situation is when you don’t need a car to simply exist. That should be the norm, not the exception.
I live in Asia and we don’t need cars to exist (unless you’re in Dubai)
Unfortunately it feels like in many places that isn’t the case, and that more and more new developments follow the US urban planning paradigm of endless suburban hell
In the Netherlands I would switch to bike. Here (kraut), not so much. And public transport is a nasty nightmare. Nah, car it is!
Remember to pull your sun visors down. My AC doesn’t stay charged so I have to rely on heat alone to defog windows. The visors trap the warm air.
67o
Bro turns his car into a sauna
67C is a pretty old sauna, I prefer it at like 80-100 myself
