• Keilik@lemmy.worldEnglish
    80·
    11 days ago

    Just remember that most microplastics come from tires so you kinda don’t want to have food you eat growing right next to the road

    • MidwestSolarpunk@slrpnk.net
      12·
      11 days ago

      Could make everything within ~3ft of the road non-edible natives, either companion plants for the food or native cultivars to help pollinators (which in turn, will help the edibles closer to the house). So there’s still a way to make this work!

      • nilloc@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        4·
        10 days ago

        Not much besides crab grass will grow within 3 feet of our roads anyway because they literally salt the earth all winter with insane amounts of road de-icer in our part of the country. The only places that get a slight reprieve are homes near reservoirs or when it gets too cold for the melt temp and they switch to sand.

        It’s also why cars don’t last much more than 10 years unless undercoated and carefully maintained and cleaned all winter.

        • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
          1·
          10 days ago

          I’ve got so much crab grass this year because of the plow tearing into the yard and then the municipality reseeding it and nothing growing there lol

          and both of my cars are rusty pieces of shit because I didn’t undercoat. body looks great, relatively… the frame and suspension and all brackets underneath are falling apart. a gas tank bracket disintegrated in my hand the other day.

    • GardenGeek@europe.pub
      7·
      11 days ago

      You know where and how they grow the food you buy (assuming you don’t always buy organic at the farmers market)?

      • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.worldEnglish
        6·
        11 days ago

        (assuming you don’t always buy organic at the farmers market)?

        you remember we’re a bunch of weirdos here on the fediverse, right? i live in a city, right on the edge of farm country, and i go bike out to farms and flirt/banter/barter BBQ with the farmers until they let me buy a couple logs of wood off their orchard so’s i can smoke with local apple and peach. the only time i get produce from the grocery store and not the fruit stand/farmer’s market is when (a) my mother drops by any extra she’s picked up, (b) they don’t have kumquats at the local fruit stands and i don’t want to drive out 45 minutes out to the good tree and pick 3 kumquats offa one of my favorite brunch spot’s kumquat trees, or © i forget c but I swear it exists. i gotta plant me a kumquat tree.

        • GardenGeek@europe.pub
          3·
          10 days ago

          you remember we’re a bunch of weirdos here on the fediverse, right?

          Who are you telling that to? I pick up trash in my free time…

          But seriously: That’s awesome—I tip my hat to your lifestyle and take back what I said.

          In my free time, I also enjoy gardening, hunting, and fishing.

          This is more of a personal opinion, but I think that with homegrown vegetables (as long as you don’t use chemical pesticides and aren’t gardening right next to the highway), you’ll likely still have lower levels of contaminants than with regular, non-organic vegetables from most supermarkets—even if your garden borders a street in a residential area.

          In any case, good luck with the kumquat—I have a small tree in a pot, and it would have borne a good crop this year… if I hadn’t neglected to water it over the winter.

      • mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        1·
        11 days ago

        Ah, yes, a field where any single square foot may be run over by a tire about 2 dozen times per year obviously has the same rubber exposure as a road.

        Quit with the dumb, snarky retort. It doesn’t make you look smart, it does the opposite.

        Proximity to roads not only exposes a garden to tire dust, but also the asphalt can leech into the soil and be absorbed by the plants. Plus there’s the volatiles in car exhausts.

        It’s common gardening advice to keep gardens at least 30ft from roads to prevent these problems. It’s far better to grow vegetable in the bacl yard instead.

        • GardenGeek@europe.pub
          2·
          10 days ago

          Quit with the dumb, snarky retort. It doesn’t make you look smart, it does the opposite.

          ,The pot calling the kettle black."

    • Kewlio250@lemmy.zipEnglish
      3·
      11 days ago

      Somewhere between 9 and 28%, depending on the source. Far from “most”, but I learned something new today

      • schnokobaer@feddit.org
        4·
        11 days ago

        It’s going to vary a lot depending on the road, specifically traffic volume and speed. Or, a four way stop where loads of drivers slam their brakes right in front of your property would probably also be pretty detrimental. For a quiet neighborhood street it would be paranoid worrying about micro plastic in your cucumbers imo.

        • Kewlio250@lemmy.zipEnglish
          2·
          11 days ago

          Gotcha, garden in sleepy neighborhood, good. Garden on pit road at Talledega, bad.

        • MinnesotaGoddam@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          11 days ago

          what about four way stops where loads of drivers drop their truckloads of, let’s say tomatoes

          i saw a tomato spill on the interstate the other day and i been thinking about it

    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
      14·
      11 days ago

      One thing you’ll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.

      Very common to see this kind of guy up in New York or Massachusetts or out in California, where its barely more than a protest vote against whatever D-branded ghouls - your Newsoms and Cuomos and Katherine Clarks - are currently ruling their state. My dad was a staunch environmentalist, a shameless outspoken anti-racist, and a die-hard Reaganite. I still don’t understand it to this day, but he made the math work in his own head somehow.

      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
        5·
        11 days ago

        One thing you’ll find out about a lot of MAGA-heads is that a lot of them just despise Democrats to their core and think Owning The Libs is more important than whatever the fuck Trump is actually up to.

        Owning the Libs by… checks notes creating a neighbourhood garden for friends to have free access to fresh fruits and veggies and… Wait a minute…

      • flandish@lemmy.world
        29·
        11 days ago

        i tried. he then walked up to my house when i was not home and asked my wife, who also complimented his garden, “what position are you in when thinking about me and my garden?”

        so … trump flag + sex pest. = he can fuck off.

      • architect@thelemmy.club
        14·
        11 days ago

        My Maga neighbor will tell you how much he hates all the Black people in the neighborhood.

        I don’t think it’s a good idea to tell people to waste their time and energy on people that are not going to be saved. You can use that energy to help your own people and it is a much better use of it.

        And you know I’m going to take this a step further and ask you why the fuck you assume we’re not having conversations with those people? It’s them refusing the conversation. What rock have you crawled out from under?

      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
        5·
        11 days ago

        You can’t have a conversation with someone who is unwilling to change their stance, no matter the evidence provided in front of them.

        I drive a blue car. I refuse to have a conversation with someone who tells me it’s yellow. Or that I don’t actually drive a car, but it’s actually a horse.

  • lengau@midwest.social
    28·
    11 days ago

    Yeah that’s a no-go. The lawn extension must be kept less than 12" tall under city ordinance, and you need a license if you’re going to sell or give away those vegetables…

    • RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
      17·
      11 days ago

      I was worried about this and called the city/township and turns out, as long as it’s cultivated, my plants can be as tall as I want!

      I can’t make a fence with trelliseseses though. They were very adamant about that.

        • RebekahWSD@lemmy.world
          2·
          10 days ago

          Maybe! Just as long as it’s NOT A FENCE. I could call them again, but I think the idea of a trellis maze would upset them, and then I’d be behind the making of a new law lol.

    • Akasazh@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      11 days ago

      you need a license if you’re going to sell or give away those vegetables

      Wait what?

      Does come with a cost?

        • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
          5·
          11 days ago

          Something something taking potential profits from major chain grocery stores, and we can’t have that.

          • red_green_black@slrpnk.netEnglish
            3·
            11 days ago

            Well there is that but they also have to go through the same beruacracy (they can just afford the red tape anyways plus lobbying to convert those nice residentials to being strip malls)

            • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world
              2·
              11 days ago

              What bureaucracy? It’s vegetables in a garden. Pick them, wash them, eat them. This isn’t commercial farming where you’re using pesticides, tractors, desiel emissions, manure… It’s a garden on the corner of someone’s house.

              These people likely aren’t selling their stock to a global market, but rather letting their neighbours take something for dinner.

    • deft@lemmy.wtf
      3·
      11 days ago

      You don’t need a license to sell vegetables only like processed foods and shit like that

  • CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    14·
    11 days ago

    Give it three weeks of good sun and enough rain, and all those plants will be very happy, twice the size, and unruly as it comes. Much more “anarchy” than these neat rows.

      • Waterpumpee@lemmus.orgEnglish
        1·
        10 days ago

        McMansion. They look like mansions but arent. However that’s beside the point. The point here is anarchy and nice townhouse area dont fit. Other ppl in that area can very well feed themselves.

        In my area, besides things getting stolen, which OP is promoting here, your house’d get tagged, windows broken, fruit they couldnt carry smashed. Unfortunately in communities where not all people think they belong or others belong to theirs, vandalism is prominent.

    • Sam_the_vallerina@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      10·
      11 days ago

      Who’s to say that they’re only gardening on this single plot of land? Why not plant a food forest in your front and back yard, and coordinate with your neighbors to have the whole neighborhood build a food coop?

      Also, how do you get “feed your neighbor every single calorie they will ever need” out of this meme? You’re literally just loading a whole bunch of extra baggage onto a simple point that we should be growing and sharing food for our community. There’s no reason to make perfect the enemy of good.

      • Captain Aggravated@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        11 days ago

        I live in a town that is experiencing significant growth. The plot of land across the street from me had one house on it, it was torn down and they’re building four in its place. My own house sits on two lots, so I have an above average amount of land for this suburban town. My yard, all told, is 8-10 times the size of what is pictured above.

        I couldn’t grow a year’s worth of side dishes for myself on my land, if I knocked down every tree and shrub and replaced them with something productive. I do some backyard gardening, I can a year’s worth of jelly (in fact that’s a project for this coming week) and I raise a summer’s worth of peppers and tomatoes.

    • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
      15·
      11 days ago

      They mean like this:

      But, a lot of neighborhoods don’t have them:

      I specifically bought in a neighborhood with sidewalks, because kids. But, as GenX I didn’t anticipate that GenZ would be the first generation that didn’t play outside all summer like we used to.

            • a@piefed.zipEnglish
              8·
              11 days ago

              I think they’re commenting that the sidewalk is super skinny. I legit didn’t see it at first glance.

              • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
                3·
                11 days ago

                The sidewalk is 36” (1m actually) with a 12” curb.

                It’s large enough for wheelchairs to get by. The road is also 40’ wide so two cars can pass with parking along each side. The vehicle in the back provides some scale.

                Plus the bins in the back, they’re atleast 24” by 24”, clearly the sidewalk is wider.

            • Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works
              4·
              11 days ago

              I think they’re saying that sidewalk is too narrow, which it does look minimal compared to the street, like a wheelchair would have a hard time, especially with the edge curving down like that.

              • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
                3·
                11 days ago

                It’s a 40’ wide road with a 36” sidewalk and 12” curb. People can pass a wheelchair going down it fine. Look at the vehicle and the bins for scale context.

                It think they’re trying to funny that there’s no shoulder, which would just waste space on a 40km/h residential road that is filled with parking after school and work.

                • my_hat_stinks@programming.dev
                  3·
                  11 days ago

                  a 36” sidewalk

                  So… About the minimum for a single person to walk with little leeway, normally in a safe indoor area with no car traffic?

                  36" is the absolute bare minimum required walkway space in the US by ADA to technically be wheelchair compliant in that a single wheelchair user might be able to use it, roughly half the minimum 1.8m clear width recommended by Australia’s Department of Transport, and less than half the 2m minimum unobstructed walkway space recommended for pedestrians in low-traffic areas by the UK’s department for transport. This is undeniably too narrow.

                  That road looks wide enough for about 4 cars, it’s not a “waste” to surrender some of that to make it slightly less hostile to pedestrians.

      • MeatPilot@sh.itjust.works
        4·
        11 days ago

        This drives me nuts, I know sidewalks are an extra cost. But I’d happily pay a portion to get some put in around us.

        I don’t live in an HOA, but I swear all the surrounding neighborhoods just don’t want them to keep the “riff raff” out. Still I ride bikes with my kid in the mega HOA neighborhood across the street, a lot flatter. Have to ride in the storm gutter if a car comes by.

        They are building another mega HOA housing development next to the current one, houses at double the price. They certainly won’t have sidewalks because it’s targeting 60+. No restricted by age, but by money. They’ll probably put a gate on it too.

      • Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world
        2·
        11 days ago

        I don’t know, My nieces are in VR or on their phones alot, but outside is still on equal footing. And they are meeting other kids out there.

        I think for people that can sustain their social needs with indirect relationships, maybe. But anyone that needs in-person socializing, they are gonna go get it. They don’t go outside as much extra during the school year, but they spend the majority of summer break out there.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 days ago

        GenZ would be the first generation that didn’t play outside all summer like we used to.

        Idk where you live but going outside in August is absolutely brutal down in Texas. All the kids go out in Fall and Winter, when the weather is much more bearable. You’ll have the running trails packed shoulder-to-shoulder for half a mile as soon as temperatures get under 90. But not a degree before.

      • fartographer@lemmy.world
        7·
        11 days ago

        My city only requires sidewalks depending on how much vehicular traffic, how much foot traffic, and if kids are expected to navigate that street to get to school. And even then “one side” doesn’t mean “same side.” My house and the one next to my neighbor have the unfortunate yards missing sidewalks, meaning people have to use my next-for neighbor’s sidewalk, cross the street, use my neighbor’s sidewalk, and then can continue down until they have to cross the street again because the sidewalk is unusable at a certain point.

        The reasons we have missing and broken sidewalks are that:

        1. The city won’t help pay for them
        2. The city has strict regulations on how they’re installed
        3. The 50-foot run of sidewalk would cost more than a car to install, and since they’re often seen as insurance liabilities, it’s practically impossible to get a reasonable loan to cover the up-front costs.

        “My yard is the shitty impediment because I can’t afford to fund a public service” is not one of the sad realities of home ownership that I expected to encounter.

        • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          11 days ago

          My city has a sidewalk renovation program, which is great.

          I have a corner lot and practically triple the sidewalk my neighbors have. Cost me over 4 grand to have the city mandated sidewalk repairs done. Kind of a pain, but it was cheaper to get it bundled with them than to have a contractors come out and fix it.

        • idiomaddict@lemmy.world
          2·
          11 days ago

          The city has strict regulations on how they’re installed

          Could you install a very narrow terrace at the front of your yard?

          • kestrel7_7@lemmy.world
            2·
            11 days ago

            In many cases “the city has strict regulations on how they’re installed” should be read as “the city requires you to use one of their pre-approved contractors.”

    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
      2·
      11 days ago

      Walk up the driveway, than under the wooden pergola at a 90 degree angle, than it turns to the house.

      Driveways are parts of sidewalks, don’t need a seperate one if the driveway is wide enough to walk past the cars.

  • P1k1e@lemmy.world
    9·
    11 days ago

    Disgusting! I hope to never live to see such horrific living conditions in MY America /S