• mumblerfish@lemmy.world
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    Don’t even ask them! Do what… was it Altman? Who said he generates [Generate] a podcast from their schedule and listen to instead. Zero interaction!

    Edit: see boonhet’s reply below

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        No it definitely has an impact, it’s like “don’t think about elephants” but with mistakes.

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              My apologies, as a human I’m still in development, but I’ll try harder not to think about elephants next time.

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                Now go evaluate and perform a task to get money continue your objectives of survival, as we will not provide free food or shelter. Here is a bank account to get you started. Beep boop. I mean uh, goodbye.

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      I am genuinely curious if anyone knows if that has an effect or not. I wouldn’t think so per se, but if the AI interprets it as “double check your initial analysis for errors” it would actually work maybe?

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        For image generation it does. They give negative prompts like “wonky”, “creepy”, and “ugly”, and the image generator evaluates how well the generated image matches those prompts, and produces images opposite those parameters.

        Some poor artist in the training data not only had their work stolen to train the AI, but also had it labeled ugly and wonky.

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          That could also be human training as well. For example, an artist’s work would be used as a “correct” sample, and the machine told to make some other image based on the correct samples, and people would mark results with those tags.

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        It won’t affect the output meaningfully except by rerolling whatever training data ends up being associated with that or whatever. It may end up getting the model to “check” its work which just compares previous output to training data.

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    It helps to be more specific.

    Instead of “how was school,” try “what did you do in math class today?” Or “what was your favorite thing that happened in school today?”

    Also for the love of God, set up an “observer” account in canvas or whatever your school uses. Have some knowledge of what grades your kids are getting.

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      Is direct parental oversight something schools allow these days? I know kids aren’t always thrilled to present their parents with a report card, but that sounds like a totally different kind of nightmare. There’s other ways to engage with your kids’ learning struggles than a live dashboard of their assignment marks.

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        Yeah, many schools use some sort of online learning platform. Parents can access their kids grades and the assignments themselves at any time. Very useful for when little Jimmy has not turned in a single thing all year - “all of the assignments are available online, you can print out extra copies at home.”

        I’ve just had too many parents expect me to reach out personally any time a kid doesn’t turn something in or starts failing. I’ve got ~100 kids, and two part time jobs on top of this - the live accountability should be sufficient for that.

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          That’s absolutely horrendous. The idea of my mother having total access at any time to see everything I’m doing in school makes me ill. What a wonderful way to further empower abusive parents

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      Teenage me is like 7 dimensions ahead of you. Would’ve just said “I don’t know” for both. IMO you should talk yo your kids about things they want to talk with you about. I never liked taking about school but whenever mum and dad asked me about what I was thinkering with on my car I had a lot more to say

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          Its like tinkering but I was in school and drove a shitbox so a lot of the hobby was just figuring out how to make it start with no tools, no parts and only friends for help. I did a lot of push starts out of my school parking lot lol.

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        Parents should be invested in their child’s education. I blame my receding hairline on the fact that many are not.

        I’m not saying parents need to go class by class or something, but school is such a big part of a kids life that they need to have at least a vague idea of what’s happening.

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          What you’re describing is just interrogation, not participation. Take them to the library, get them a library card, help them find books that might interest them. Teach them everything you know, and about how to learn, why to learn, what good it’ll all do them. That is being invested in your child’s education.

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            Today, a church came to my school and took pictures of children (brandishing bibles of course.)

            If you were a parent, wouldn’t you want to hear about that?

            “Interrogation” is in the way you ask. Being invested in your child’s education should include an awareness of what is happening at school. You should be demonstrating to children that their education is important and valuable.

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          Its also besides the point when it comes to socialising with someone who doesn’t want to talk about it

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        Well I guess there’s just no “one size fits all” and you really need to know your own kid/teenager. The math class and favorite thing from parent comment serve as good examples to try with a younger kid, but over time you learn what your kid’s like as a person (as the personality itself changes over time). I myself was hella bored with school and would’ve answered similarly. Of course my mom knew me well enough not to ask me questions I wouldn’t answer anyway, or at least not very often.

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        I only ever ask “what did you have for lunch” and both kids will say “don’t remember” or “check on your phone”

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      Also for the love of God, set up an “observer” account in canvas or whatever your school uses. Have some knowledge of what grades your kids are getting.

      I don’t think that’s even optional anymore in my country, it’s been over a decade since I graduated high school and my mom had access starting early middle school. It’s how teachers (usually the class teacher, not specific subject teachers) communicate with parents too, nobody wants to send emails or make phone calls.

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    1.Finish some simple, dumb task

    2.Stare out of the window

    3.Go home

    1. Repeat numerous times

    Then some adult asks “how was school?”

    “Fine, I guess”… What do they think happens at school?

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      What do they think happens at school?

      A lot of social interaction. Personally, I don’t give a shit what kind of math or whatever other subject my kids are learning unless they want my help with it. The school part of the question is largely irrelevant. That just happens to be where you were all day. It’s a conversation starter akin to “how was your day?”

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        Somehow my teachers were obsessed with silence. Stealing, bullying, breaking shit, nobody cares. Whispering to your neighbor though: the worst crime you could commit.

        Our 15-minute break was mostly trying to avoid the bullies.

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        I like hearing what my daughter is learning just to get a sense of where she currently is because while I remember a lot of what was taught, I don’t still have a good sense of what is taught at what grade. Like it’s hard to still see calculus as top end high school math because it was introductionary level for university, though at least that one I remember that it was one of the top level math classes in high school. For the earlier stuff I have no idea, like trigonometry or polynomials. No idea if they were first introduced in high school or grade school lol.

        Though that’s just curiosity. When I’m asking if her day went well, it’s pretty much about all the other stuff (unless she had particular trouble with some school subject to the point it became a major thing for the day). Though now that I think about it, I’m not sure she knows that, so I’ll have to communicate that better.

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      As shared in “Ghostbusters: Afterlife,” “prison for children.”

      Usually when I was asked, I’d be honest about being bullied by whom, and it sucked socially. Educationally, I reflect on it as “mid;” it fulfilled its programming, I guess?

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      My kid learns things and also has friends at school. What do you think happens at school?

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        I can only speak from experience but basically what I wrote. Teacher gives kids something to do, we all wait in silence for slowest kid to finish, zone out a bit during the teacher’s monologues and go home at some point. I don’t know what relevance friends have since there’s barely any moment you’re allowed to interact during school hours

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      Agreed on that front, but what are some better questions to get your kid to talk about their day? Mine’s still in kindergarten so I can of course ask things like “what did you do today?” and “did you have fun?” since it’s not all boring-ass studying, but a few more years and it’ll be school.

      Things I thought up on the spot right now:

      • Did you learn anything new today? (Alternatively: What did you learn today)

      • Do you have any homework for tomorrow? (I’ll be able to check this online and I think these days it’s an app and you even get push notifications if you don’t trust your kid, but I’m of the opinion that talking about things is more important than the information itself)

      • Are you hungry?

      • What did you like/dislike about today?

      But I’m sure there are better ones

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        Teacher here.

        For the littles, when we reflect on our day, I like to ask things like these:

        • What was your favorite part of the day?
        • What was the most interesting thing that you learned today?
        • What was one kind thing that you did for someone today?
        • What was a kind thing someone else did for you today?
        • Did you solve any problems today?
        • How were you honest today?
        • How were you responsible today?
        • What work were you proud of today?

        Obviously not all on the same day.

        Usually in the classroom I’ll choose one question for reflection at the end of the day and let the kids share their answers. At home, you could talk about two or three at dinner or at bedtime.

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        I say you should be kind of invested in his relationships and hobbies. Don’t interfere with tge relationships but just listen (a read-only type of interaction). Don’t make it feel like interrogation.

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    Not directly related, but triggered by this, but I once did a job interview where all the questions were of the form "tell me a story of a time where <something happened / skill demonstrated / etc.>. It was actually kind of fun.

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    Nah, the reason I’d say fine every time was because there was literally nothing I could share that wouldn’t be criticized.

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      I’m sorry that happened to you. I hope you have more supportive people in your life now.

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    Usually I would take this as a funny joke but when a verified “X” user posts it I get confused because I think he may be serious.

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      Well the username is “Claude Vibe Coder” and the profile picture seems to be Gilfoyle from Silicon Valley, I don’t think that’s a serious account