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Honestly we need her in the Senate for at least two terms before she’s president, once she’s served her terms as president she’ll be stuck as powerless as Obama probably feels rn, let’s milk having someone like her for as long as possible, and that starts with her taking that feckless shit head Schumer’s Senate seat.
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Ok, six senate terms then.
Exactly… this is the way. She’s not electable until she’s similar in age to Susan Collins.
Fuck everything about this; strike while the iron is hot or be ruled by pedofascists forever. You won’t get another chance. You do not realize the danger we are all in.
She can serve in congress after her presidential terms, no?
No president leaves office popular enough to win a race for a Senate seat
Edit: *in our modern era, for the pedants
Andrew Johnson
Obama is only “powerless” because he has chosen to be.
Taft became the Chief Justice of The US Supreme Court after leaving the office of president.
I get what you’re saying but she’ll do much more good as President than sitting in Congress.
Trump showed just how much power the office has, for someone willing to wield it.
No legislator is more valuable sitting as one of 100 for a decade or two than taking their turn as president.
Obama could totally run for Senate at any point. Presidents have done it before
He could probably win a seat on Tuesday if they announced it today lol
Oh man if you put her in the senate for two terms the leftists will have so much ammunition why they hate her.
the leftists
the fascist propagandists, I think you mean
There is some overlap in that venn diagram yes but a lot of leftists are decent people.
Yes! This!
Nah. Retiring after a presidency is a tradition, not a law. Hit them while you have momentum from midterms (hopefully).
Then if she still wants anything to do with this trash fire she can just go back to being senator.
It’s probably a tradition for a good reason. I suspect that 8 years of being president is exhausting and leaves even the best of us spent physically, mentally and emotionally (current golfer in chief being a notable exception)
Obama is still young enough that after a long break now he could do another Senate term or a relatively brief federal judge shipfor 5to7 years comfortably.
Even lazy-ass Trump is not immune to the rapid aging affect of being president. The difference is that it’s usually due to the stress of trying to effectively run the country, while his is due to his manic narcissism from being in the spotlight 24/7.
Mostly because a lot of recent presidents are too old to do anything else. The rest made enough money not to want to.
It’s a symbolic run to shift the Overton window in the right direction and to take some of the lightning off some more moderate candidate, who will look less radical next to her.
It’s so ridiculous saying moderate candidate would look less radical next to her, there is nothing radical about AOC, Bernie, El-Sayid, Mamdani, yet here you are carrying the enemy’s water and showing how biased they made you by describing them as radical, when you don’t have to at all.
I get what your saying is meaning the voters, but my point is how is making sure people have healthcare, quality education, clean air & water, radical? The rich have done such a masterful job brainwashing the shit out of our society over the centuries of disinformation and religious indoctrination.
Dude please give it a rest. We’re talking about how candidates are perceived in the general election. You know this is full of distortions, double standards, lies, and many dated associations.
Giving me shit for calling clean air radical only shows you don’t know how to have a meta conversation about political discourse itself and are on a hair-trigger to give speeches at any provocation.
I’d sure rather vote for her than Harris or Newsom and realistically, idk who else is gonna run.
AOC is my second favorite serving politician after Bernie, she would be a great President.
But I’m afraid that the Democratic leadership will squash her, as they did to Bernie. She’s pro worker, and the Ds abandoned labor long ago (and they were paid well to do so).
If she runs, I am voting for her, whether it’s with Democrats or DSA or Green.
DNC want to keep her away from Schumer’s senate seat.
Schumer is 76. He should retire. This is ridiculous, go out and enjoy your life. Advocate for AIPAC. Do something else.
What school of propaganda are you representing?
What part of your colon are you looking thru to see my comment as pro schumer?
Are you posting from tel aviv?
I assumed I was agreeing with you.
Every time I get a text pretending to be from Shumer begging for donations I cringe at how many people just yelled fuck you at their phone. Doddering bastard.
I’m gotta get downvoted and cause a stir with this. Here goes anyway for the all of 5 people it might reach.
I would love. FUCKING LOVE for a candidate like AOC to get elected president of the United States. Love it.
HOWEVER.
Until there is enough power transferred in the senate and the house to candidates that would remove the current structure of how we elect the executive office; they are not electable.
See, you read that sentence thinking what I said was an opinion and pessimism. It was not. It was based in the statistics of how Americans vote and how strong the votes in various states are in a first past the post electoral system that uses an electoral college.
As it stands, and Nate Silver backs this math as well, the electoral college requires a moderate democratic candidate to overcome a 3.7 point disadvantage. That might sound small. It isn’t small. It’s the margin of victory in many races so, you effectively need to more than double the current margin of victory for a candidate, and so it when further left candidates have a harder time than that.
Jeff Jackson could make a run for office in 2028-2032 and be a candidate that historically could get elected. Statistically.
AOC is just not electable in the current structure of the electoral college and state first past the post voting that still persists in most states.
You run the virtue candidate and lose the election.
The same was true of Harris in 2024. Not because we don’t deserve a black woman president or that she couldn’t do the job.
She wasn’t fucking electable in this racist, sexiest voting base.
I get we want better candidates, but you can go too far and effectively give the election to the fascist asshole, and frankly the country can’t have that happen again post Trump. It will be the end of democracy as we know it if It does.
I know that isn’t what folks want to hear but the math is the math.
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Yeah, I agree. I can understand why people think America “isn’t ready” for a woman president; two women losing to Trump isn’t great. But also, a part of me thinks maybe America is ready for a woman president, just not Clinton or Harris. Neither was ever a particularly popular candidate, and as you say, Harris never even won a primary
Harris lost on more than just the racism and sexism vote though?
She was bland. Did nothing to distance herself from Bidens unpopular policies AND was running against someone who made promises that they never intended to keep. She had zero interest from voters BEFORE the campaign started.
AOC already has a name for herself and what she stands for. She doesn’t need to compete against lies, because they’ve already shown their ass. It won’t be effective the second time around. She’s popular among a much larger amount of demographics. She won’t be up against Trump either, who has repeatedly demonstrated that he’s the pillar on the entire R platform. The only pillar.
People said Trump was statistically unelectable, too 🤷
Not anyone with a stats background.
In fact it was his election to lose.
I’m telling you that Democratic party operatives whose entire job is electoral statistics assured me that he was unelectable. I disagreed, and it turned out I was sadly right.
I respect your respect for statistics and statisticians, but I don’t believe their predictions are as accurate as they were a few decades ago given the current political reality. “Winning elections based off of statistics” has been the Democrats entire thing since like literally the Tammany Hall days and it isn’t as consistently reliable as it used to be for a lot of factors that could be sumed up as the increasing complexity of political society.
Stats only work until they don’t. Statisticians are great with simple logic, not so great when some of the same people that voted Trump voted Mamdani and AOC. The political calculus is shifting in this country and now is the best chance we have of a sudden takeover. You are right that political shifts usually need to be senate and congress first (and states and counties and cities) but I think the normal political rules don’t hold as strong right now. If she can win a primary, she can win the presidency. Harris couldn’t overcome racism and sexism because she had little to offer.
I worked in Dem politics for the first Obama election. He was so popular that he regularly had racists committing to voting for him. When we got regional or national polling we would regularly hear from polling companies that people would answer polls with (paraphrasing) “I’m voting for the n-word, I might be racist, but I’m not stupid”. Also we had a white lady volunteer in one of the local county campaign offices that regularly used racial epithets like the n-word and she was sent home cause no one knew what to do about it.
Don’t expect predictable logic from voters.
there’s more nuance than that. If AOC support is coupled with heavy (and popular) DSA representation in both chambers she may actually stand a chance. So the focus right now should be elsewhere which is not to say AOC endorsement should seize, but that for that to become reality a lot of things have to fall into place. Also, just as Bernie’s “failed” candidacy did AOC challenge will force DNC to acknowledge it’s leftmost side and incorporate it’s agenda.
Harris had to run a half a campaign. I feel that was the bigger factor. you aren’t wrong about the rest of it though.
I don’t want to hear it but I’m glad you said it.
Agreed. The US electorate has far too many ignorant bigots and the current power structure likes it that way. HOWEVER, this is kind of a self-solving problem - if AOC were actually able to get through a primary with most of the Democratic and all of the Republican party apparatus gunning against her, she actually would have a chance. So best option is to run her in the primary, and any other progressives in the future, to gauge whether the US electorate is still full of rotten people.
I’ll support her and anyone she supports if she fails to secure the nomination for herself.
Newsome thanks you for capitulating early.
The more people who say shit like this now. The less difficult it will be to ratfuck her campaign, rig the primary, and coronate a donor-friendly Neoliberal ghoul. I’ll check back here in a little over two years and see how you feel about my prophecy coming true.
I promise to never think of you ever again.
Try again
See ya in 2028. I absolutely will say I told you so.
I don’t think she has a chance in the general if I’m honest. She won’t even make it to nomination. However it would help with the Overton window if she ran. We need someone in the race with no gray hairs who will speak truth plainly. It’s amazing how long it’s been since we even saw that happen.
Why not? Her policies reflect the will of the voters much more than the other mainstream candidates. Is this another one of those, “only a centrist can possibly win!” type arguments? Because every time we say that the centrist loses. If we skip the BS what you are saying is that only a pro israel candidate can possibly win, right?
The last Democratic president was a centrist who won the primary over a very well respected and credible, experienced, white male who was simply further to the left.
We can argue about it more, but I think you are just overestimating the “will of the voters.” I campaigned for Bernie in the primaries and then watched the boomers around me nominate Biden. I no longer have any illusions about the rest of the voters, but you apparently do.
Biden won because he had the scent of Obama on him. And no other reason. So I think you have come to completely wrong conclusions.
So people vote against all their own interests because of the scent of Obama? That’s nonsense, but even if it were true it would only support my point that voters don’t care about what you think they care about. The DNC sucks balls to be sure but the electorate truly can’t be underestimated.
Agree but she needs to do something national for sure. She’s able to pull an audience on your all over the country, she needs to be elevated beyond congress. I really hope we can start moving away from personality politics. Let the big personalities get people excited and let the good hearted boring folks do the work. Maybe I’m wrong it’s just that personality voids attract sociopaths. Not saying AOC is one but if we’ve learning anything we need big benches from the local on up not single person leadership. Also I am inherently becoming distrustful of anyone who gains internet fame or looks good on TV and I suspect many other ppl are too
Certainly true of Newsom and the other options advanced by the DNC.
DSA is going to be too busy purity testing and infighting to support her publicly.
Came here to say this.
I love it when I see some overly online person - the same types that would complain that Chomsky is some kind of right-wing stooge - complain about some way that they were betrayed by AOC.
I mean, FFS. I imagine quite a few of these posters are probably just Russian plants meant to split the Democratic party, but I do know some of these types IRL, so some people actually hold these ridiculous views.
The same complaint is made on Zizek as being a right wing plant.
Zizek
I honestly have no idea what to make of Zizek, TBF. Chomsky got me-too’ed over Epstein, it seems, but I’m not someone that believes in the idea of throwing out an entire body of work, so I value a lot of his critique of American empire and so on.
I’ve tried with Zizek and I just haven’t really found a way in. If there is something highly recommended, I’d check it out.
Nah. We only purity test right wing neoliberals. They are the ones that accept Israeli money and share donors and campaign funds with maga
My local DSA is quite up-front about being a “big tent”, I’d be surprised if others weren’t also.
Mine sincerely wishes it were a smaller tent. Which is why I don’t have time for them.
DSA is run by amateurs who don’t know how to handle the media. While I agree with some of their positions, it’s too embarrassing to be represented by them.
They are normal humans and fellow American citizens. If that’s what you mean by ameuture…
I would much rather vote for normal humans right now than rich pedophile baby eaters…
explain the baby eater part, i missed that
There’s allegations in the Epstein files that some of our elites have eaten babies.
That’s also an old QAnon conspiracy and why Comet Ping Pong got shot up a decade ago. Please exercise skepticism and don’t commit any terror attacks.
I don’t care about QAnon or PizzaGate. Never got into those at all. I am going off the Epstein files themselevs.
Imagine saying that after seeing Mamdani communication skills
You should look at who actually runs the DSA.
Politicians like Mamdani are actually an exception and they’re successful at getting elected because they’re not communicating like the DSA itself. They’re doing quite the opposite.
You liberals are idiots.it is your side who go to fox news to attack dsa
I never had any criticisms of the organization until I joined lmao.
AOC would Crush it. But to get the DNC on board would be tricky or you get a left lane split ticket. We need to flip the electoral college and statehouses, then fill those Congressional seats everytime they come up. An AOC presidency could achieve great things but she needs a receptive congress, and willing states.
Am I awful for suggesting El sayed with AOC as vice instead?
There are too many misogynistic shitbags and the race is too important.
I want AOC to be our first female president, but 2028 seems like a bad time to risk it. 😕
Woulda preferred she ran in 2024 instead of Kamala.
She’s got my vote either way. Just, shit ain’t stable, and plenty of the folks that don’t support Donald Trump will never vote for a woman president.
Sigh.
You think a muslim president is easier?
Hearing him talk in an American English accent would probably disarm at least half of the casual racist crowd.
100000%, yes.
Is that a serious question?
Mamdani won with a small different despite how bad Cuomo was.
Both religions extremists put all women beneath men of religions they see as opposing their own, regardless of that woman’s religion.
It’s ridiculous to me that anyone would think the general misogynistic christofascist leaning US would endorse a woman before a Muslim man. Asinine.
Reality disagree with you. It is the same BS as the idea that Kamala lost because she is a women when Hilary won the popular vote. Ilhan Omar was targeted because he is a women or being muslim ?
Sorry which religion was it you’re saying respects women?
One, the other?
It’s neither but I’m curious where you stand here. Itll tell me a lot.
What the gell are you talking about? I said a muslim has even less chance than a woman to become a president.
It’s not that clear. Hillary won the popular vote by several million votes. Hillary Clinton - yes, that clusterfuck of a candidate. Yes, there were plenty of misogynists who voted against her on the basis of her being a woman. Many also voted for her because she’s a woman.
Yes, there were plenty of misogynists who voted against her on the basis of her being a woman.
Or, y’know, because they’re Republicans. Anyone with misogyny as an overriding political belief system isn’t an available vote for Democrats. They don’t just want a male leader, they want a misogynist that will validate their feelings and shield them from consequences. And the Republicans will always provide that to them, with or without a penis in the pants.
that clusterfuck of a candidate
While I would have preferred a progressive, much of the backlash was absolutely fascist propaganda (and misogyny)
There are too many misogynistic shitbags
Doesn’t matter who runs, fascist propaganda will attack them. Similar concerns about Obama, although not as severe because fascism was less out in the open.
The times are calling for real progressives. I think that’s the only way to overcome the fascists. Not with Right Wing Lite™ like Newsom.
El Sayed isn’t DSA. AOC is.
If El Sayed wants to join the party they are more than welcome, but you shouldn’t expect DSA to endorse someone not DSA.
Is AOC currently DSA?
I believe so yes.
Ah she just rejoined . . . .https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/aug/26/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rejoins-dsa
One requirement is to call themselves a democratic socialist, that would be my guess as the main reason the local DSA chapter wouldn’t officially endorse. I know the chapter still did a whole lot when it came to ground game tho
Local DSA defines their own rules, but generally, you gotta be a dues paying member.
And endorsements come with a chapter commitment of volunteering support.
I think you’re right, and you can call me a “Bernie Bro” all you want… If you compare Abdul’s prowess in terms of public speaking on the fly with AOC’s you will see a big difference and Abdul wins hands-down. He will also get the misogynist vote, which yes, is important, as we saw in 2016.
I’d be so happy with 2 years of El Sayed / AOC leading to 2 years of AOC / El Sayed. At least at this moment in both of their track records and given the current state of the US.
You ask me this in 2022, I’m here for AOC 100%, In just sour on how my party treated Kamala. I don’t trust them to do AOC justice in a campaign after that.
You ask me this in 2022, I’m here for AOC 100%, In just sour on how my party treated Kamala. I don’t trust them to do AOC justice in a campaign after that.
I think with Kamela it’s a lot more complicated there though. She basically had the drawbacks of both being a newcomer and an incumbent at the same time.
I think it would be rad to have the scenario you talk about… the two of them, but they switch roles.
Kamala tried, but she was never a favorite of anyone even during the primary.
This has been my biggest critique of AOC for the previous 4 years. After her tussle with Pelosi and getting banged up in that, she started taking only much safer media pieces. She stopped going on basically any media where journalists would challenge her, and also only took “forum” type questions where she had the mic and the questioner didnt.
So there was a solid 3, 3 and a half years of that, and she got soft. She lost her edge from 2017. But Bernie brought her back out with their combined tour. And since then she’s been sharpening her edge. She still wont take contested media spaces. But she’s doing better.
Ro Khanna has been far better at taking controversial media. Same with El Sayed. AOC needs to sharpen her game here.
If you don’t put up an AOC with huge numbers then you’re gonna get a John Ossoff or a Gavin Newsom and they’ll either continue to do Joe Zidenism or Trump will win a “third term because fuck it”
shit ain’t stable
Shit being unstable is exactly why we need change. Decades of frustration with neoliberal stability is why things are unstable and why Trump became a thing in the first place. We even had the most centrist old white male saltine cracker we could find for four years trying to restore the stability of the pre-Trump neoliberal order, and what happened? Voters went straight back to Trump.
That’s not an endorsement of AOC specifically but just saying I don’t think that logic makes sense. If we can’t outline a real alternative to both Trumpism and neoliberalism, and actually deliver on affordability, then Trumpism will just keep returning with different faces. Trump should be the wake-up call that there’s problems with just maintaining the status quo.
She wasn’t even old enough to be president when the primary started. It’s not a rush. Following the traditional get experience in Congress and federal cabinet position is better.
I think AOC could be a strong candidate. I would support her. I also would support Jon Ossoff.
America won’t vote for a woman America isn’t ready.
evrytime a women ran for president they lost, look at hillary and kamala
Exactly it happened twice before can we give it time why do people have to force it. I literally voted for Kamala but I knew it was throwing it into the wind. AMERICA ISNT READY.
Wow, two whole data points, it must be true.
Don’t you dare make me upvote an ML user…
That was a good comeback
And yea, it doesn’t hurt for AOC to run, whether she can win or not. She makes good points and should be heard
That won’t ever change unless women continue to run. Do you want it to change?
The real issue isn’t that we don’t want/trust a women to be president, Hillary won the popular vote and plenty of people voted for Kamala despite her never being the first kid to be picked for dodgeball. The issue I see is there is a contingency of liberals who are adamant that we must only elect a woman as president now.
I volunteered during Kamala’s campaign and came across this group, it was called something like a woman president no matter what. To this day I’m not sure if they weren’t some psyop group meant to make sure she lost or if this is a genuine group that believes we need to elect a woman whatever the cost. Problem is we’ve lost 2 easy elections by running women who just didn’t have any charisma (and like it or not the presidency is a popularity contest and the more charismatic person usually wins.)
Instead of forcing it every election and losing to literal monsters we need to just wait for the right one to come along. AOC might be that very person but shes probably still too young for 2028. Identity politics sucks going both ways and history has shown we can elect minorities and women to government without playing identity politics (minorities and women started getting elected to congress decades ago before all this virulent identity politics shit began.)
The path to hell is paved with good intentions.
And to remind everyone that these stubborn types exist in the liberal camp and can fuck things up when their ego’s are allowed to go unchecked just remember Obama tried to get RBG to resign when they could’ve voted in a suitable replacement that wasn’t an antique. She declined because she wanted to be a judge when the first woman president was elected, which never happened. Instead, her stubbornness and lack of hubris cost her one of the single most important rulings she ever issued and one that directly affected millions of women.
Oops. Look, we’re all human and we all make mistakes but the wise old judge is suppose to realize this in thanks to their wisdom. The more I learn about RBG the more I realize that humility isn’t a universal trait. Both political parties and all the factions within them would be wise to learn some humility. Forcing another bad candidate and cheering “yah for women you must vote for her” could cost them another election they could probably win.
That’s a whole lot of words just to tell everyone you are full of shit.
You’re talking about “Madame President PAC”, a Political Action Committee. Covering the 2025–2026 election cycle through June 2026, the committee reported only about $522 in total receipts and roughly $422 in total spending. It reported just $100 in cash on hand. They’re completely insignificant.
If you want to make up a bunch of nonsense to pretend that feminism has taken over the Democratic party, you’ll find plenty of like-minded sexists in the Republican party. Instead, I recommend that you self-reflect on your political ignorance, and try to shake that misogynistic attitude you’ve developed.
Hilary lost because the American electoral system is trash. Most of the voters voted for her. Kamala was simply a terrible candidate and she is not as a big cult leader as Trump
People don’t understand that there are men on the left that don’t want a woman president. Even though the evidence demonstrates this.
Literally didn’t say that voted for Kamala I don’t think other people will I don’t know how everyone’s reading comprehension is this fucking bad.
Those people aren’t on the left, they are opponents of progress. If they refuse to vote against fascism because they hate women more, they aren’t my fucking allies.
So for them to be on the left they have to embrace every view that everyone else does?
This is a goofy position. You’re doing the patriarchy’s job for them. You better believe people said this same shit about Obama being black, and you also better believe that a lot of racists voted for him anyway (we know this to be true). In practice this sentiment is indistinguishable from saying that you personally do not believe a woman should be president.
I’m sorry I was in the military and know voting and genders and all this shit doesn’t matter voting is made up it’s a game to make middle and low class play thinking they have a say. Btw voted for Kamala. So fuck off you dumbasses calling me sexiest. Also voted for Obama twice asshole. Literally didn’t say shit just a sentence and you pull a whole opinion about me out your ass go fuck yourself.
They definitely won’t vote for a woman if sexist pests like you insist on only nominating men.
Did I ever say that in my post retard?
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2016: Clinton (unpleasant creepy woman) vs Trump (worst human in USA) Trump Won
2020: Biden (unqualified white moron man) vs Trump (still worst human in USA) Biden won
2024: Kamala Harris (unqualified “half progressive” non white woman) vs Trump (still worst human in USA) Trump won
2028: AOC (progressive Latina woman) vs Any white republican, pos or not Republican will win
Clinton won the popular vote
I hope it’s not “whoever elon buys”.
It will be more like Palantir and Anduril also weighing in.
Palantir (which Thiel co-founded and still chairs) has a significant financial and personnel relationship with Jeffries and his DCCC:
Jeffries received about $25,000 from Palantir executives, plus $44,300 from Palantir manager Mehdi Alhassani to his victory fund, and roughly $22,000 more from Palantir executives for his 2026 campaign. Palantir’s lobbying firms funneled at least $3.8 million to the DCCC last year, and $2.9 million in January 2025 alone. Palantir hired Jeffries’ former chief of staff Cedric Grant as a lobbyist in May 2026, along with Steve Elmendorf, a top DCCC fundraiser who hosted events featuring Jeffries.
It’s all a game and we have to pretend that that we have representation
Spoiler: it will be “whoever Wall St buys”. Elon may or may not decide to buy a few shares in the Dem candidate this cycle.
I really disagree with DSA’s AOC obsession, especially given how not reciprocated it’s been ever since her initial endorsement. I obviously understand the desire to endorse a candidate you agree with because you think they’re going to win, but I don’t think AOC has a viable path to winning the nomination, much less the presidency.
I also understand the appeal of endorsing a candidate doomed to lose because their a good messenger for your beliefs and you want to work on shifting the Overton window, but I don’t think AOC (almost certainly a social democrat) is a good messenger for socialist politics. Her vote to fund the Iron Dome and staged crocodile tears afterwards immediately disqualify her tbh. Plus, now there’s the new revelation that she’s dialed back on her willingness to confront the Democratic establishment, which makes a lot of her recent endorsements (or lack thereof) make more sense.
She’s in the bad-messenger and doomed-to-lose quadrant of possible candidates. The biggest red flag (and not in the good way).
And I know people are going to say to not let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and I get that. I’ll happily vote for her in the primary and general. But a DSA endorsement is a huge time and effort commitment that could be better used on candidates in other races that are openly socialist and/or viable.
I’ll take it. If Kamala ends up as our candidate I will purposefully abstain. If blue can’t put up a solid inspiring candidate, they need to feel that with voter turnout.
you sound like a Russian bot. not voting is the worst thing you can do… unless you are voting for Trump’s party.
Well, I’m a person, not a bot. Sorry you don’t like my take. I don’t know how else to put my foot down, I voted lesser evil for Hillary and Kamala already. I am committed to breaking their strategy of offering status quo candidates that don’t move the needle and have almost no chance of winning.
