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      Is it really treason if it’s in line with what the government is doing?

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        It is if the government is also treasonous. Is it possible to charge an administration for treason? Perhaps we’ll see soon. Probably not, though.

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            Sorry to interrupt, but why the cheesecake? I just found it hilarious for some reason, but I’m not getting whether the cheesecake bears any hidden meaning I’m not getting.

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              The Cheesecake Factory is a restaurant chain. Its decor is intentionally over-the-top.

              Saddam Hussein lived a very extravagant lifestyle, even by dictators’ standards, and famously built himself palaces so overfilled with gold and precious things that instead of looking luxurious they looked tacky and in horrible taste.

              Obama joked that Trump’s White House looks like if Saddam Hussein opened a Cheesecake Factory (Trump and MAGA took it about as well as you can imagine).

              The brilliance of the joke is that, while being on the surface about interior design, Obama called Trump a narcissistic dictator getting rich by stealing from his own people. And clearly MAGAs choose to focus their response only on the Cheesecake part of the joke.

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              Obama made a joke that the white house with the renovations under Trump (with all the gold and such) looks like as if Saddam opened a cheese factory. Of course the Republicans didn’t have any sense of humor…

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          You sort of have to go down the line person by person, but yes (assuming we still had a functional 3 branch government). Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution:

          The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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          It’s not like US elections weren’t rigged by massive campaign spending before. This is literally how the system is set up and worked for decades before. Musk just did it “right” by buying the biggest media platform of the time. People literally laughed at the massive financial loss he made with Twitter… then the government changed. Some still don’t get what Musk did there.

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            People being uninformed mixed with misinformed will be the death of this species

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              People were always uninformed and greed rules the world since at least ten centuries. We literally had leaded gasoline and chemicals killing the ozone layer.
              But we also got MAD figured out - probably the biggest achievement in human existence. And we banned leaded gasoline and the ozone layer killer chemicals. We solved acid rain too.
              I think, our species is actually progressing positively right now - even though it may not always look like that.

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      He’s barely American. Born in South Africa, raised in Canada. Idk why people ever expected him to be an American patriot.

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      Now there’s a summarial execution I wouldn’t mind catching the livestream of

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          Hmmm, that would be spectacular, but mercifully quick.

          Perhaps we could put them in a carbon fiber submersible and cycle it between the ocean floor and back until it delaminates. That way the evemt is still quick, but they’ll first endure hours of anticipation.

          …. Or we could just do it Mussolini style

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        Maybe this isn’t but that doesn’t mean Musk hasn’t committed, and shouldn’t be tried for, treason.

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          The point is, why is Russia supposedly the enemy of the US again?

          Seems the US has lots of enemies, and the liberals and conservatives just disagree on who they should be at constant war with, not if they should be at war.

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            The point is, why is Russia supposedly the enemy of the US again?

            Really? I thought the point was “Musk must be charged for treason.”

            Didn’t realize you conflated a whole different argument into that one sentence.

            Maybe take your strawman into the fields with the rest of the scarecrows.

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    Calling Musk an “American” is surely stretching the truth a bit, innit?

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        Anyone who legitimately thinks he’s a genius better bring a shovel to their next iq test.

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      He has lived there since 1989 and has a US citizenship since 2002.

      One can always obviously argue that it doesn’t count and that he is South African because of his Father and because he was born there, and/or Canadian because his mother is Canadian, but in that case the telephone is a Scottish (Alexander Graham Bell), gramophone a Russian (Emile Berliner) and the zipper a Swedish (Gideon Sundback) invention - all made by US immigrants with citizenships.

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        I almost edited my comment to revise my position, and I was waiting for someone to call me out. I’m glad you did. Immigrants built the US (Canada too), and fully earnestly I believe it’s what makes America great. I would be angry if someone questioned, say, Ilhan Omar’s citizenship and patriotism because she was born elsewhere. I can’t not hold that opinion simply because Musk is a piece of shit.

        So without snark, I don’t question his citizenship. I don’t believe he holds the values I think make an “American” (or, uncomfortably, maybe he does…), but for better or for worse, a citizen he is.

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      I can see him mixing up the terms ‘American’ and ‘Asset’. At this point, they are quite synonymous.

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    Musk wanted to be Tony Stark. Somehow he ended up with Vladimir Putin in his fan club. The truly dystopian part isn’t the praise: it’s that one billionaire can turn critical communications infrastructure into his personal mood ring while governments keep treating him like a public utility with a podcast.

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      Another three sentence first comment on your own post that ends with a snappy metaphor. Might want to mix up your prompts.

      Congrats on replacing the em-dash with a colon, though.

      Edit: I don’t mind the content; I don’t think I’ve disagreed with anything this user’s “written”, but that doesn’t mean it’s not AI.

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          Tell me more about your lazy human hypothesis.

          I think it would take a bit of effort to run a bot manually. Maybe someone whose native english isn’t great so has the bot bot-write their ideas instead of translating them directly?

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        I do mind the content. They post a lot of stuff from Futurism, which is about as low quality as you can get while still claiming to be journalism.

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        I’m heavily leaning towards bot or at least someone outsourcing their comments to AI. Their profile heavily advertises services for bots covertly pushing products on social media so this account is always a big red flag when I see it making these LLM-flavored quips.

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      treating him like a public utility with a podcast

      Elon Musk has a podcast? What does this mean?

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        No, but Musk provides essential services while regularly hijacking three hour podcasts to complain about the government and world in general.

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    The guy should immediately have his security clearance revoked for not reporting his exchanges with foreign entities.

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      What treason? Trump buying from Russia and ending sanctions. This is just the club following the leader.

      We arent in the club so it seems confusing to us

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    The article literally continues by saying that this “close contact” is primarily about avoiding LEO object collisions.

    I’m sure these oligarchs are colluding on other shit, but it’s completely disingenuous to try to frame this particular comment as anything other than for operational purposes.

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      Why would two people as high ranking in their respective “companies” need to talk to discuss something as technical as avoiding LEO collisions? Like how much does either really know about their current constellation configuration? Those are operational level concerns, not CEO/Country Leader level conversations.

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        They would talk to coordinate who to talk to, but that would probably be the end. It can show respect when a CEO reaches out to another CEO to say hey we need to work together on this, who should my guy reach out to at your place. Maybe the occasional update.

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    “American partnerS”

    So Musk, Trump…and who else is partnering with Putin? Any citizen of the US who partners with Putin is a traitor.

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      I pretty much disagree with Putin on just about everything… well, mostly everything. I think we’d agree that anyone at all who partners with him should be thrown out of a window.

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      Has been for a while. Remember when DOGE was a thing and that whistleblower came out and said that there were IPs in Russia logging into the DOGE created logins within minutes of their creation? DOGE was simply a farce to send national secrets to the Kremlin.

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        Fuck musk. But that’s good? Like USA isn’t a good guy, having had a fat selfish slob dismantle it from the inside is poignant.

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          The US is not perfect, but it was far better than it is now prior to 2016. The orange pedo set the country back 50+ years. Any progress made in my lifetime has been squandered, and I will never forgive either of those 2 for their roles in what they’ve done.

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    Ukraine’s defense has been shown, at least in the past, to be crucially dependent on Starlink. So Putin is likely eager to make it as attractive as possible for Musk to turn that off.

    Now, we can argue that having a single man-child idiot like Musk able to turn off things like this isn’t a good idea - but currently that is the case.

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    And here I thought Russia was anti-Nazi… Oops their goes all their low effort Ukraine propaganda.

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    If a shooter comes for Musk and he’s protecting himself with a child, I don’t mind the child croaking as collateral, as long as this giant cunt is offed.

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      it’s an unpleasant ethical question

      where is the line for what is acceptable for the greater good? how many others would you let die to save one child?

      when only one side plays by stricter morals, the game is unfair

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        Sorry I have absolutely no ethical fucks to give to nazi billionaires pushing for world war 3 or their cursed offspring. These men are destroying countries, people, the motherfucking planet. They must listen to reason or they must be gruesomely killed as examples.