• @N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    35415 days ago

    I think Xi might have figured out Trump’s secret. He has no fucking clue what he’s doing. He scares people into reacting by being reckless, then claims a win for getting a reaction.

    Ignoring trolls takes their power away.

    • @adarza@lemmy.ca
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      18115 days ago

      “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.”

      (“Quand l’ennemi fait un faux mouvement, il faut se garder de l’interrompre” --Napoleon)

    • @null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      5514 days ago

      They’re not really ignoring him though. They’ve discontinued exports of rare earth and are dumping debt. It’s a calculated strategic response to capitalise on an epic mistake.

      • @bravesirthomas@lemm.ee
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        3614 days ago

        Not really, he backed down on tariffs last week thanks to Canada and Japan. The truth is, Trump has put the US into a very, very precarious position. They have a lot of debt to refinance soon, and if the rest of the world wanted to, they could dramatically increase the interest rates paid on that by coordinating a sell-off of US debt.

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          i would love to see that happen, but i don’t think they will

  • @ryannathans@aussie.zone
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    21215 days ago

    Everyone is somehow missing China cutting off rare earth metals the US relies on for technology and defense

    • @DoubleSpace@lemm.ee
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      15514 days ago

      It wasn’t just stopping exports to the US, they’ve stopped exporting rare earth elements worldwide starting yesterday. Plus, they are starting to unload billion of debt we owe them. It’s almost as if Trump is intentionally trying to destroy our country in the morning, and then later in the day he wants to be the bully negotiator without understanding his precarious position.

      • @Aqarius@lemmy.world
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        5414 days ago

        You remember r/shitamericanssay? Last time he won, there were a lot of people talking about stuff Europe has but America doesn’t, and, if you browse the posts there, a lot of Americans responding how Europe is backwards, in the stone age, and what they do have is paid for by America, out of benevolence.

        Well, those folks are in charge now.

      • @null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        1914 days ago

        There wouldn’t be much point merely stopping export to the US because some other country could just on-sell to the US.

        He really doesn’t understand his precarious position and the harm he has done and is doing.

      • ssillyssadass
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        1214 days ago

        I think the story here will go very differently now that the US army can’t ensure it’s exclusively pro-US.

    • @CalipherJones@lemmy.world
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      814 days ago

      I’m realizing the structure of our supply chains is not common knowledge at all. Basically everything has a part from China. That and plastic.

    • stebo
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      814 days ago

      the whole world actually, thanks Trump!

    • @Mossheart@lemmy.ca
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      314 days ago

      Canada didn’t. It’d be a primary reason for the US to go stupid and try invading us, we’re a much closer source of rare earths.

      • @AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world
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        1614 days ago

        As much as I don’t like the Chinese government for all the censorship and etc, they do really know what they’re doing in terms of managing the economy and the infrastructure it relies on, as far as I can tell. Including their education system, it’s fairly shocking how many of the top engineering and CS colleges are in China.

      • @cynar@lemmy.world
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        2314 days ago

        I was one of them. They proved my fears unfounded (so far). They’ve also managed to convert me to a fanboy at some point. I realised I was playing a co-op game brought off steam, on my steam deck, via a steam link to the TV, and the wife using a steam controller.

        • @notarobot@lemm.ee
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          I think steam is my favorite monopoly.

          ^Not saying it’s perfect. Just my favorite. I understand this might change at any time^

          • @cynar@lemmy.world
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            814 days ago

            At least it’s only a monopoly because everyone else is apparently idiots when it comes to long term planning. I’m dreading the day when they turn to the dark side. Long away may it be.

          • @Bassman1805@lemmy.world
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            514 days ago

            Valve is Augustus Caesar: a benevolent dictator doing great things for their people. I’m afraid of what will happen when Gaben retires, how long will it take before we find gaming’s Nero?

      • ✺roguetrick✺
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        411 days ago

        Xi is more than happy to have a scapegoat for his economic troubles so the people and the powerful don’t hang him. Trump sometimes wants to speed run into the hanging and then realizes he really can’t piss off his own power base if he wants to keep his neck.

    • @Krauerking@lemy.lol
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      814 days ago

      The workforce is unionizing even if their union is pretty terrible.

      Definitely just a toss up of where this is going.

      • Liz
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        2314 days ago

        Which workforce? The Chinese? There’s only one union and it’s run by the government. Any non-government unions are illegal.

        The US is gaining a new interest in unions, but we have our own anti-union laws to deal with. Not as bad China’s obviously.

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          1914 days ago

          such a socialist country where union protests lead you to being disappeared

          Oh sorry, did I say socialist? China lines up better as a fascist economy.

        • @Krauerking@lemy.lol
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          714 days ago

          Yeah in a global environment essentially China is the workforce/factory workers of the previous gilded age.

          And it’s pretty much exactly my point that their union (the government) is finally pushing back against the management while being not exactly kind to their workers.

          We are essentially reliving through a new worker rebellion but from the governments of the global south with their own layers of local nuance underneath that.
          Weird times.

          • @MrMakabar@slrpnk.net
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            213 days ago

            A government is not a union.

            The rebellion is mostly demographics. We are at a point, where globalization reached most countries. At the same time births are around 138million ± 5milliion since 40 years. China itself even has population decline.

          • @vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            113 days ago

            Yeah in a global environment essentially China is the workforce/factory workers of the previous gilded age.

            Maybe 15-20 years ago, but not so much anymore. Cost of labor has been rising in China dramatically to the point that a lot of manufacturing is leaving China.

          • @frezik@midwest.social
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            214 days ago

            We need a vanguard party because the proles are too dumb to save themselves. We’ll prove it by banning unions that aren’t under our thumb.

      • @MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca
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        113 days ago

        Their wages are going up and young workers aren’t as interested in living the slave labor experience living in foxconn dorms working 100% of their time. It’s not a union but the overall effects are that policies are being forced to be more pro worker/ better salary and conditions just to meet staffing levels.

    • JaggedRobotPubes
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      714 days ago

      If they suck at each other, then that’s way less bad. Root for simultaneous knockout punches.

    • @Daryl@lemmy.ca
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      113 days ago

      And what, exactly, is wrong with cheering for China? They have never invaded a foreign sovereign nation in their entire 400 year history. They have been invaded by a lot of other countries, however.

  • @MDCCCLV@lemmy.ca
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    7115 days ago

    Then everyone dumps on him, and he says the roll back was fake news and it’s still happening, but nobody even in the administration knows what’s going on.

  • @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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    5814 days ago

    Big flex from China. I’m waiting for a country to call trump’s bluff by putting an export tax on their own goods sent to the USA.

    • @xzot746@sh.itjust.works
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      2314 days ago

      Canada should have done this on everything. If the Americans can afford the tariff then there is room for us to charge more. Not really but yeah should do it.

    • @shawn1122@lemm.ee
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      If only… America holds 20% of global purchasing power so an export tax like that would result in needing to lower local interest rates to boost domestic productivity, which would decrease foreign investment, eventually weakening the local currency.

      It would be hilarious if a country that exports very little to nothing to the US did it to make a point though. Totally on board with that.

      • @Bytemeister@lemmy.world
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        1114 days ago

        America holds held 20% of global purchasing power…

        Truth be told, I think the only thing we really produced in the US was the US dollar. Sounds like it’s the number 1 export for the US, and trump just toppled demand for it.

    • @Back_it_up@lemmy.ca
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      214 days ago

      Or, they just pay the tariff themselves. Could you imagine China going, “Cool bro, we’ll just absorb the cost ourselves. Now what?”

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          314 days ago

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      • @JcbAzPx@lemmy.world
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        1314 days ago

        That wouldn’t really do much for China. The reason the tariffs hurt us is that we sent all our manufacturing to them (along with a few other countries). So the tariffs only make our stuff cost more. Footing the bill like that would just weaken China’s position.

      • @Snowclone@lemmy.world
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        114 days ago

        What would happen is the US dollar would be weaker, profits selling to the US weakened. It would still harm us primarily.

          • @addie@feddit.uk
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            514 days ago

            Everything in war is very simple. But the simplest thing is difficult.

            – Carl von Clausewitz

            • @Bassman1805@lemmy.world
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              314 days ago

              The target audience of The Art of War was not soldiers or even officers. It was nobles who would step out of their gilded halls and just fuck everything up with stupid decisions that no moderately experienced military man would even dream of.

  • @HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee
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    3514 days ago

    Didn’t this happen last time? Less dramatically, but still.

    He puts in a bunch of tariffs. China reciprocates. The market is thrown into chaos. He shouts and screams. China ignores him. He backtracks. China ends the tariffs but doesn’t do anything to try and appease him. He claims it’s a victory. His fluffers say the tariffs were just to bring China to the table, which justifies the hit to the market, despite the fact China didn’t come to the table and President Pigshit didn’t articulate what China could actually give him to end the tariffs.

  • @humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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    2814 days ago

    … Trump keeps begging for China deal while bragging about phone calls kissing his ass. No foreign meetings. No envoy sent to China.
    China limits US studio film releases
    Bessent says Tariffs are no joke. China must make a deal.
    Chinese airlines refuse Boeing+parts deliveries (reported as “China orders”, but leopards were not going to make US aerospace affordable at 125% tariffs.