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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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My fear is that the politics-as-sport metaphor has become too literal. He’s getting attention by hitting at Trump and more Democrats should be doing that, but his actual policies and stances are uninspiring and offensive. He’s another pro-corporate, pro-wealth, pro-status-quo white guy whose best quality is he isn’t Trump.
Completely agree. I long for the day I can finally for FOR something rather than AGAINST something.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
Sad but true. I fucking hate that we are talking about this fucking asshole, but like that bullshit recall election in '21, I will hold my nose and vote for harm reduction. So fucking depressing. You think its gonna be Trump again? If he wants to stay in power, breaking the 22nd amendment, why have elections at all?
I’m having a hard time being surprised anymore. I wouldn’t blink an eye if those criminal dickwads found a way to try to get a third term.
Welcome to every president since Reagan.
Sure, let’s elect a Reagan republican dressed up as a democrat who will spend his whole term trying to reach across the aisle.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom torched his own political party and said Democrats have to speak to Republicans — and reject cancel culture — if they want to win.
Screw that. I enjoy watching Newsom bicker with Trump just like I enjoy when the Lincoln Project mocks Trump. But the next democratic candidate needs to be an actual progressive that supports workers and the disadvantaged in our nation.
I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
I’m with you 100% on that. If Newsom is on the ballot, he’ll get my vote.
Why would they care about anything you want if you’re going to vote for them no matter what?
Them: “The Democrats keep lying to us and screwing us over, WTF?!?”
Me: “Well, you keep announcing that you will vote for them, even though they keep doing that, right?”
Them: “Yes, but I can’t figure out why keep lying to us and screwing us over”
Me: “…”
Right?? This is what voting Kamala got them and she lost, imagine the candidate after newsom if he won… Probably Liz Cheney
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
oh dear… no they wouldn’t. You’re living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
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Except we saw that to be false in the case of bernie where the party leadership kept putting their thumb on the scale, with superdelegates and whatever.
Feckless and undependable voter means someone who wont blindly vote dem every single time? Why is gruesome newsom spending so much time on fascist podcasts bashing trans people then?
What are you talking about? The Democratic leadership hasn’t been giving the voters the policies that they want for my entire lifetime. They Democratic leadership gives their doners the policies that they want, but they’ve been pretty open about not caring about their voters.
Maybe if the Democrats stopped putting up awful candidates, who run awful campaigns based on awful policies, then people would come out and vote for them.
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Because primaries exist? You know, the thing you’ve been demanding for years now?
Surely there will be several leftist candidates to choose from… Er…
Which is what I’m saying?? They don’t even field left-ish candidates anymore because they know that anyone left of the overton window, enfranchised and able to vote will vote for them no matter what so why appeal to them? The people on the hedge are to the right, therefore thats who they try to appeal to. Which is why you get this guy going on talkshow flashing his transphobia credentials in a desperate attempt to cozy up to the fasc crowd.
But then look at the people that came out for zohran. The zohran campaign targeted areas that dont even bother showing up to vote and it paid off big time.
Do you think candidates just materialize? Do something.
Hence me mentioning zohran. The DSA put up a tremendous effort. But looking at the comrent section people are already assuming that any fight will be lost and pledging to vote newsom if it comes to that
I am going to vote against fascism. If the Democratic party insists on choosing a candidate who agrees with Republican efforts to genocide me, then I am going to vote against their fascist too. And don’t come looking for me to whine about it after; by the time the Niemoller poem gets to you I’ll be long gone already.
Yeah, let’s put up another California democrat that’s too centrist to attract progressives and too California to attract middle America, it worked so well last time…
It only makes sense to those who only think hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
Biden ran an embarrassing campaign, but he had a penis so he won.
hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
They lost for both reasons.
She ran a campaign that was only I’m not trump and ran away from anything that worked. But yeah let’s only blame sexism…
I’m not only blaming sexism. I’m also blaming that she ran a shit campaign and lied when she said she was going to “prosecute the case against Trump”.
It’s almost as if the people who find Republican issues compelling would rather vote for a full Republican than a Republican-lite. Maybe if he curses while doubling down on Zionism he will somehow reach the 3rd rail 🙄
A month ago, I would have said the same thing. Right now though, he’s the only candidate I see standing up to Trump
I don’t particularly like his policies, but I want someone either very progressive, or willing to get dirty
The current regime is far too fascist for me to worry about whether someone is progressive enough
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
If progressives dont vote against fascism they arent progressive
Agreed, if you are willing to vote for a Capitalist you can’t really be against Fascism. Good take.
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It’s his turn
You better believe it!
Well he’s not a woman, so…
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Please no.
Uh… We’ve all been saying those exact words for nearly a decade*, over and over and over… And, this is all where that gets us. 🤌🏻
*(depending on one’s age/awareness)
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
Dont spurn the ones asking for a drink spurn those that hold back the water because it upsets their donors.
FWIW, I’m not “spurning” anyone, gramps.
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
That led you to a guy in the White House who is clear he’s not likely to leave peacefully.
Are you seriously blaming Trump being elected on people asking for better representation? Wheres the connection?
No, I’m blaming people who only wish to vote for their perfect candidate for Trump being elected. If you look at the amount of Democrat voters who sat out the 2024 election then they are to blame. If they’d have showed up we wouldn’t be in this shitshow now, even if Harris wasn’t a great candidate.
There is a certain type of Democrat voters who can’t look past their own views and only want a candidate that aligns 100% with what they think, meanwhile the other side rallies behind a candidate that they themselves might also not like entirely, but they still vote for him. And then they win. Meanwhile the former get to say ‘Well at least my principles are still intact’ while the country crumbles around them.
Agreed, but this has been a long time coming
The DNC will die before it learns a lesson.
Voters will die before they learn the lesson. Beating fascism is more important than getting a candidate who agrees with everything you want.
Actually, we’re going to die regardless because none of the politicians supported by either party care enough to solve the issues in this country that are slowly killing us. But yes, fascism will certainly expedite the process.
FUCKING BRING IN ANOTHER CANDIDATE THEN.
Jesus fuck… Y’all just constantly whine about your options, and when the time comes for the primary, you’ve got NOTHING.
Edit: yeah this makes me a “DNC fanboy”. What a fucking joke. I am going to start tagging everyone here who’s refusing to do fucking anything but whine about the primary candidates so I know to ignore them in the future.
The only one whining is DNC fanboys when we tell them their establishment ghoul is going to lose them the election once again.
LMFAO nobody here is a “DNC fanboy”. Even if I didn’t like Bernie Sanders, why would I be a “fan” of a caretaker organization that has very little actual power to do anything? I’m a fan of voting for the best available candidate whether primary or general elections.
“I’m not a DNC fanboy. I just complain when people want better from the politicians I don’t let others criticize.”
Yeah that’s what I am, a DNC fanboy. 🙄
Come back when you’re actually interested in good faith discussion.
How did “vote blue no matter who” end up last time?
You might want to be careful with the undying DNC loyalty. Endorse a bad candidate and you will end up with TrumpIII. Fearmongering to push a bad candidate has proven a losing strategy.
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Same
We tried, twice. Got shut out, twice. Third time they didn’t even allow a primary and then appointed a new person.
But next time Lucy will let us kick the football, she swears this time she’ll play fair.
Then fucking do something about it
We are doing something about it. And every time we do, a bunch of Democrats tell us how evil we are, before they run off to bomb kids, and back genocides.
Progressives need to vote!
“Okay, I will vote for the people who are better on important issues.”
Stupid single issue voters, we don’t need you! We’ll win while supporting transphobia, racism, and illegal wars!
I’m glad I was able to provide a jumping-off point for you and your buddies to LARP leftism, but I meant do something real.
We are, and then people say we’re Russian bots for not supporting a fascist-platforming transphobe.
Oh nice… So I’ll have a legitimate progressive candidate to vote for in the upcoming primary then, right? Right?
The DNC turns over almost 100% of membership every 4 years so anything it “learns”, good or bad, will be forgotten. Because it isn’t a person. Tulsi Gabbard used to be a DNC leader. Now she’s a Trump henchperson MAKING AMERICA NOT GREAT AGAIN
SEE! The ONLY way for Democrats to Win is to be as RIGHT WING as Possible!
They’re the same picture… Blue? Red? They’re all the color of fuck The People.
If this is the basket the Democrats put their eggs into I sense 8 years of the couch fucker in our futures. Newsome fucking sucks. At best he panders to progressives with one hand while he signs yet another shady bullshit deal behind closed doors like every single other politician alive with his other.
You think it’s just a coincidence that all the money they raised with that benefit concert happened to go into non-profits that his wife runs? You think its been an accident that those effected by the fires haven’t seen a penny from that concert?
California has some of the most corrupt and inept leadership it has ever had. More money than ever is being spent on things like homelessness and public transit projects, but strangely both the public transit and homeless problem have only been getting worse.
Fuck Gavin Newsome.
Idk how he would pander to progressives after mostly vetoing progressive laws in California then going on an anti trans kick once Trump won
Newsom is, and always has been, a slimy neoliberal greaseball. Not only does he not pander to progressives, he is the pinnacle of Democratic Party leftward obstructionism. Newsom serves nobody but Newsom. His current act is nothing more than the latest strategy to bolster his Presidential prospects after openly pandering to the far right failed to gain him any ground.
California has some of the most corrupt and inept leadership it has ever had.
Traitorapist Trump is 1000x more corrupt than any other politician so if you don’t care about that then you don’t really care about corruption at all.
I swear US Democrats learn absolutely nothing. All you have to do is jingle some keys in their faces and they’ll applaud.
This is a guy who wants California Cities to force homeless people to move every 3 days. This is a guy who has threatened to cut funding to cities that don’t “crack down” on homeless people.
This is a guy who simply has one of his interns to write funny twitter posts and NOW he’s suddenly “presidential material”.
And some people honestly wonder how Trump was re-elected.
There are no other options to choose from if we want aggressive responses that the bullies in charge will respect and respond to. Newstrom is it. Perfect being the enemy of good is the typical democrat excuse to sit on hands and do nothing.
Maybe the democratic party can realize what makes the people jump and put a better person in charge of that particular weapon, but that’s not going to happen because the democratic party has no leader at all. I’ve worked in departments that didn’t have a manager and there was a long gap before one was appointed, people tend to just continue doing what they were doing while they had a manager, and if anything changes it isn’t their problem and eventually the entire process breaks down to a bunch of people drinking coffee and arguing about who should be doing what.
Pretty sad to see all these bluemagas already prepared to lose and suck it up and vote for gruesome newsom. Why would the dems give you anything if you’re prepared to do whatever they ask of you anyway??? Hey boss I would like a salary increase but dont worry if you cant I’m gonna work here forever no matter what…
Newsom is just controlled opposition.
Let’s see if we get a competitive primary. We really haven’t had one of those since 2008. If Newsom can win over genuine challengers in a primary, then maybe he can pull off a win in the general.
Who gives a shit if he can win? Arguably its even worse if the dems get to run a candidate like that and still get votes.
People really seem to not care that he is transphobic… well guess I’m gonna die either way now. Wasn’t a good life, wasn’t a long one either.
Arm yourself if you can
We have to protect ourselves
The new poll, conducted by Echelon Insights, has Newsom in second place among potential Democratic candidates with 13 percent support, behind former Vice President Kamala Harris with 26 percent.
The number one spot right now is the woman who lost the last election, while number two is the guy who’s been in the news lately. This is basically just measuring name recognition. It’s more than 3 years until the election, a frontrunner is meaningless at this point.
Would I prefer a President Newsom to a President trump? Yes. Is Newsom trash that won’t actually change anything about how this country is broken or won’t change how corrupt the Democratic Party is, or won’t meaningfully improve Americans’ material conditions in a sustainable way? Yes.
People need to understand that what neoliberals like Newsom represent, is a perpetuation of everything that sucks about modern American governance. He might perform rhetorically in a satisfying way, some of the time, but he LITERALLY stands for NOTHING other than solidifying his own power and facilitating ’markets’. That’s it. While he is better at the speaking part of this job than some other Democratic Party leaders, understand that words are as deep as this dickhead gets. He and his corporate consultants will not actually improve anything, won’t meaningfully roll back fascism, won’t hold Republicans accountable, won’t reign in or regulate corporations, won’t give you healthcare, won’t stop the genocide, won’t fix media, won’t reform campaign funding, won’t build infrastructure, won’t prosecute business fraud, and on and on.
President Newsom would result in 4 more years of stagnation, followed by us voting in the next Republican fascist out of apathy.
The same cycle will repeat until we have a third party
Hey now, the previous Democrats haven’t been doing nothing…
They’ve also been building out the systems that the facists use, and reaching across the aisle in support of the fascists. That’s hard work!
The fascists aren’t going to get more tame and stupid either. Donald is the attenuated live virus given to us like a vaccine so we can make laws that prevent the next one from coming but it’s a test all of our institutions are failing horribly, so the next one is gonna blindside them again.
If you want to see Newsome policy, look at PG&E. He talked a big game around 2019-2020 about holding them accountable after entire towns were destroyed, hundreds killed due to poor equipment replacement and maintenance practices. They were gonna be made public, fined into oblivion, etc…
He’s taken hundreds of thousands (could be millions) from them at this point and has not only created legislation to protect them against liability, but to destroy the consumer friendly solar buyback programs. He’s actually actively fucking residential rooftop solar in the state.
When people actually listened to how he thought on his podcast, they hated it. Now he’s flipped to this shit, and it’s working, and I hate it. This is where democratic national money will flow, into the rich boys pockets, rather than a dude like Mamdani.
Its kinda weird that Trump is the alternative here. I did it too, but the fact that we are rolling over him breaking the 22nd amendment and then pretending like our votes matter at that point is kinda messed up when you step back.
It might be a less popular opinion, but I’m really hopeful that Tim Walz gets the nod. He’s actually a human as opposed to a politician.
He won’t, they don’t have any dirt on him
Great. He’s gonna Hilary-up the election again.
Don’t forget to pokey-mon-go to the polls.
