cross-posted from: https://piefed.world/post/533816

CNN asked Miller whether the Trump Administration will abide by a district judge’s order blocking the Guard’s deployment in Oregon. “Well, the Administration filed an appeal this morning with the Ninth Circuit,” Miller began. “I would note the Administration won an identical case in the Ninth Circuit just a few months ago with respect to the federalizing of the California National Guard.”

Then, Miller said: “Under Title 10 of the U.S. Code, the President has plenary authority, has—” before making an abrupt stop. Miller blinked several times, with anchor Boris Sanchez calling out his name, though he still did not respond.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plenary_power

A plenary power or plenary authority is a complete and absolute power to take action on a particular issue, with no limitations.

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    The executive is a co-equal branch of government. We don’t do kings here. We kill kings.

    We also kill Nazis. Per long tradition. We don’t debate them. We don’t platform them. Nazis are guilt free kills. Don’t even count as human.

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      We have never killed kings here. We also stayed out of Nazi affairs for many years. The sentiment is nice, but more than misleading. You got weird history books anon

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        Literally never killed a king in their history. The closest they got was killing aboriginal chieftains. Muricans just got salty because the King of England refused to let them colonize the native tribes in the great lakes region (which the crown had declared a self-governing protectorate). Americans declared a revolution and cloaked it in jingoistic hoopla about liberty. They also tried (and failed) to enlist Quebec to join them.

        • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥@lemmy.world
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          Muricans just got salty because the King of England refused to let them colonize the native tribes in the great lakes region (which the crown had declared a self-governing protectorate).

          Wait wait wait. The Brits were the good guys (in this one, very specific, instance)?

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            Not the only time. Another example is the West Africa Squadron, where a small part of the British Navy tried to block all slave traffic coming out of West Africa.

            The UK has done some insanely horrific things, but it does have some legitimate bright spots in there.

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            Broken clock, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Proclamation_of_1763

            [Historians] have argued that colonial resentment of the proclamation contributed to the growing divide between the colonies and the mother country. Some historians say that even though the boundary was pushed west in subsequent treaties, the British government refused to permit new colonial settlements for fear of instigating a war with Native Americans, which angered colonial land speculators.

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      I know a lot of other social medias censor this idea, but throughout history, a lot of human rights only came about when people rose up to defend it.

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      I know that Americans will push back eventually, and I’vegot faith but, but the rest of the world is watching and wondering why you haven’t yet.

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        We are pushing back, it’s just the US is far more spread out then European countries and protests are purposely not being covered in mainstream media. Not to say we couldn’t be better or doing more.

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        “our country is too big and no one is leading us”

        That’s it. That’s the reason. According to Americans on Lemmy/PieFed/Mastodon/Reddit is the drive to DC is too long. Regardless of where you live. Live in New York? it’s a long drive. California? it’s a very long drive. Maryland? way too long. Also unlike other countries Americans need a schedule and a specific time and date to do it. Other countries will just hit the streets with no planning, no times or dates, they just know something bad is happening and will leave their homes and protest. Americans don’t do that. they NEED someone else to organize for them to tell them something bad is happening and to let everyone know about it on this specific date,at this specific time and to please register online to confirm your attendance.

        The actual answer? deep down, the vast majority of americans simply don’t care.

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          And don’t forget, the “doing something” has to be fun and entertaining and kid-friendly and there needs to be a convenient Starbucks nearby. Warm & sunny too, because who wants to be uncomfortable outside “doing something?”

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      The US has put or helped keep more kings in power than they have taken out of power. Also, I would like to point out that King George III did not die in the American revolutionary war.

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        Indeed, America accepted thousands of Nazis with open arms, from Germany after the second world war. That worked out well.

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          Tbf they made some damn good rockets once you got them to shut up about the whole antisemitism thing.

          The US probably wouldnt have made it to the moon without having them. History is far more complex and nuanced than we often make it out to be

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      We kill kings.

      Are you in France? The last king killed by his own subjects was French king King Louis XVI. After that it was probably Tsar Nicholas II of Russia if you count him as a king. America sought independence from monarchy and never took the war to Britain.

      I get what you’re saying, but I think the whole “mindless, indiscriminate killing of people against us” narrative fits far better with people who fasten political flags to the beds of their pickup trucks and collect guns so they can shoot democrats alongside Jesus come Armageddon day.

      It’s not that I think there shouldn’t be capital punishment for heinous actions, but with both political sides calling each other “nazis” and the right saying the left is violent while ramping up violence, we have to be better about rhetoric and the chance for ambiguity. Lets get better.

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      That’s the story you’ve been told, it is in fact false. You save and help Nazis flee prosecution and the only kings you ever killed were the original inhabitants of America that you genocided in your manifest destiny.

      No amount of chest thumping is going to erase the fact you’re already living in the 4th reich and the best you can do about it is shoot some random blogger in the neck. And then you have the gall to ridicule the French…

      edit: Like someone mentioned below, the only king you killed was MLK.

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      But… but… ”zey vere just folloving orders”

      Punch-a-nazi would be a great substitute for whack-a-mole BTW

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      This is nothing new, Miller has said himself the president has absolute power. We’re just all transfixed now because Miller fell down a Khole or his amphetamines started to wear off in the middle of an interview.

      If it takes this kind of spectacle to make people aware of how bad this administration is, we’re so fucked.

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        If it takes this kind of spectacle to make people aware of how bad this administration is, we’re so fucked.

        They still won’t be aware.

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        That had nothing to do with drugs, he realized what he said out loud and pretended his video feed froze

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          He hasn’t said anything new or surprising though, he’s said all this before multiple times, they don’t have shame or even worry about consequence for the things they say, if they did we wouldn’t have this mess. That’s what I’m saying, it’s wild how naive everyone is.

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        If it takes this kind of spectacle to make people aware of how bad this administration is, we’re so fucked.

        We’re worse than fucked, because even this won’t be enough for people

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    So I looked it up and title 10 is all the rules that govern the US armed forces. The president of the United States can trivially be shown to not have plenary authority by the simple fact that the constitution exists. That is in fact the entire point of the constitution, it ensures nobody in the United States has plenary authority. Even title 10 disproves that as it sets out the rules that US armed forces must operate under.

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      Didn’t you get the news last week? Clarence Thomas issued a new ruling that declared the constitution unconstitutional. Apparently they didn’t have the right to write it so he nullified it.

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      The constitution is a social contract. Since such a contract can serve as the basis for all society, then the legitimacy of all contractual obligations are linked to the legitimacy of this one, that ensure we have rights and freedom in order to enter into contractual obligations.

      Since the representatives of the state founded on the constitution have broken the social contract, then all contracts are null and void.

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            Law is a human invented word in the English language. It can describe many things. One is natural law or the laws of physics. These laws have nothing to do with a social contract.

            We can formulate socially governing laws derived from natural laws confirmed by mathematics. Those laws would be more reliable.

            Ultimately, any laws governing human society are reliant on people subscribing to said laws. If a cohort decides not to follow those laws, then they cannot expect to benefit from them.

            That sort of relationship has yet to be properly formalized and has a significant lag time.

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    Suspicion? This has been the goal of right wing and conservative think tanks for decades now. The end goal of conservatism is monarchy. “Plenary Authority” is just a fancy way of saying “The King can do anything he wants”.

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    It took that for someone to become “suspicious” of the Trump Administration while Trump has been talking about dictatorship for years now … what a joke.

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      It didn’t take it for us, but to his supporters, it apparently still isn’t enough.

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    Of course it wasn’t a glitch. CNN is no longer trustworthy, not even a little bit.

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      Maybe they meant Miller glitched out, because if you watch the video, he looks like a robot trying to process an infinite loop when he says it.

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        This is like accidentally outing your fetishes/porn habits when you’re typing in the address bar with somebody next to you and blaming viruses or somebody else using your computer.

        Mr. Miller: It’s okay to get off on Trump’s plenary authority, but please try to keep it to yourself instead of forcing it upon society.

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      They don’t even mention it on their website lol. A major piece of news occurred live on their airwaves, and the bloodhounds at CNN didn’t smell a thing! Nothing to see here, folks! Just a slow day in the newsroom. It’s nauseating and ominous as hell.

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      Never really was, either. Cable News Network exists not to perform real journalism but to sell premium cable packages and ad slots for Cash4Gold

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        There was a pretty solid illusion or at least a silver lining we could point to, but I digress.

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      Right?! Fuck these Nazis, and fuck you if you have any sympathy for them, you’re fucking evil too

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    I mean is it not common knowledge at this point that Republicans are fascists and are planning to turn America into an authoritarian state and Americans are too weak and servile to do anything about it?

    I thought it was pretty obvious by now.

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    I hope someone is planning to spin up a new House Un-American Activities Committee to deal with these shit stains when this is all over.

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    Guy obviously can’t deal with continuing a conversation while someone is chewing him out in his earpiece. Makes Dubya look like a master orator.