Imagine that. You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access. And it uses all of that stuff to display ads to you. You’re literally paying for every ad it shows you.
That’s exactly the thing that turned me off cable. I’m not interested in paying for a service that’s going to pipe ads into my home. OTA TV, fine, I’m not paying for that. When I can pay for services that don’t show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
When I can pay for services that don’t show me ads, why would I pay for one that does?
Don’t worry, they are gradually taking that option away too.
Then the answer becomes to get those things without paying someone to show you ads.
When the illegal choice becomes the objective best experience, you’re just a savvy consumer.
I arrgree
Joke’s on you: product placement in movies. The ads are already there.
Jokes on them, I don’t recognize half the car emblems they flash at me.
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So? If I’m paying for a thing, I’ll sooner pay for a thing that doesn’t have ads than one that does.
When that fails, there’s always the high seas.
You wouldn’t download a fridge, would you?
I love the DIY crowd, I don’t really need most of these sort of things myself (yet), but it’s important that they exist, and that people do these things, to prove it can be done and to develop and maintain the knowledge of how it can be done.
In an ideal world, we shouldn’t have to be independently reverse engineering and reinventing our own tools and appliances and all this would just have to be done once and then shared to become widespread human knowledge. But instead it is “intellectual property” and commercialized and value engineered into maliciously anti-human exploitation devices. Apparently the world we live in is pretty far from ideal.
Bookmarking this for the future
I absolutely would! That’s pretty kickass
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If you paid me just 5 bucks a month I’d let them install that fridge in my house.
Yeah, I might accept that.
Actually, I could use a new fridge…
Ok, who wants to pay me a subscription fee to give me a fridge? Get in line, I’ll only be accepting applicants today!
You not only paid for the refrigerator, but also the electricity and the internet access.
That’s a good point actually. You can eliminate these ads by taking it off the Wi-Fi.
Now who’s the patsie
That thing would already have a broken cracked screen if that was mine and it started displaying ads.
What a fucking dystopia
You probably wouldn’t make the initial mistake of buying a fridge with a fixed tablet
I still haven’t understood why people bought those. What it does a screen in my fucking fridge do any good for me?
What it does a screen in my fucking fridge do any good for me?
What else are you going to play Doom on?
Fair point
On my calculator.
I hear people type grocery lists or that kind of stuff into them imstead of having a magnet whiteboard.
No idea, I would never buy one with a screen. An icemaker and water dispenser is as fancy as I am willing to go.
The icemaker and water dispenser are always the first things to break too. Fuck all that shit, just give me a box that stays cold with a light that works.
Ice trays last 20+ years. And you can fill them with flavored water or yogurt.
I get that, but it is so damn convenient to just put a cup in the dispenser and have the fridge put ice in it.
No way. Ice cube trays start to crack after a year or two.
Maybe thise are the thin ones. I have thicker ones
My wife picked an LG as our last fridge and the first thing to go was the compressor and the second thing to go was the compressor again. The water dispenser and icemaker held up fine :)
The water stuff is certainly the most likely to go, but I’ve had pretty good luck so far.
They’re actually super easy to fix. Generally it’s just the solenoid needs to be swapped out. You can buy them cheap on Amazon for most fridges and install takes like 10 minutes.
I stay away from the OEM ones. While they do last longer, it’s cheaper to replace it every 3 years or so for like $30 than it is to pay for the OEM one.
That’s what I have a phone for.
But yeah, probably. And knowing Samsung, you would probably need a Samsung phone for the app sync.
My fridge has an ice maker. I fill the little trays with water and put them in the freezer and they turn into ice. Works great.
Real, we have notes on our phone off we’re in a pinch but we usually use a physical note book
Some have cameras on the inside that let you view the contents without opening it. Some have AI that use the cameras to track your food stock. I doubt either of these things justify the amount of resources they consume to accomplish this pointless bullshit.
that’s just going to lead to grocery store ads: hey there, low on milk? i can tell… get 5¢ off
AI: that’s a duck!
No, it’s a rotting cabbage. I should have gotten the dumb fridge.
Built in closed source Grocy, I assume?
Now you know to think twice before buying Samsung anything
Samsung recently released UI 8 for Android, which had the astounding forward-thinking and innovative move of removing the ability to silence your phone by hitting the volume down button
idk what phone I’m gonna buy next, but that’s the last straw with Samsung for me. I’m already sick of them changing features on the phone to make them worse, like how in order to do a partial screenshot (a feature I used to use a lot) you now need to click the button and wait a few seconds for the “AI” to think about what portion of the screen to select. you cannot skip this waiting period. you cannot disable this (that I have found). you cannot ‘undo’ when you draw a box around a section that includes text and it tries to helpfully extract the text for you instead of just fucking taking a screenshot of the highlighted portion of the screen
fuck Samsung
a guy at work said graphene has been going pretty good
I like my Motorola it’s on the cheaper side but it has an AUX and a disturbingly good battery. Still android so you have to deal with BS, but hey the slightly better model has an microSD card slot so that’s good I guess.
Oh thank fuck I disabled updates holy hell my phone would be in a billion pieces and my wife would kill me for destroying my phone.
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that doesn’t turn the phone on silent
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yes, they replaced the partial crop with AI select. same method of using it, worse feature
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I’m on a relatively new phone, so it must be because Samsung sucks
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the OCR button doesn’t undo, it just flashes and then reselects the same thing with the text highlighted
maybe mine is buggy. either way, it’s still because Samsung sucks and the feature doesn’t work.
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It’s a smart fridge; they didn’t even think once when they bought it
I don’t know there are a lot of features on a smart fridge that are pretty cool a lot of things that actually can come in handy that I really appreciate it when I considered purchasing one. I’m glad that I didn’t make the purchase before they came out with this idiotic bullshit.
A refrigerator has to do two things.
- stay cold
- turn on a light when I open the door
I want my fridge to be as dumb as possible.
I hate embedded smart stuff in devices in general as they always get support dropped way too soon (and often enshittified with updates as demonstrated), but as a concept a fridge that would keep track what’s in it, their expiration dates, and auto-updated a shopping list when something is used up would actually be really handy.
Wanted to make some pasta few nights back but I was out of cheese and the cream had expired, so instant noodles for dinner it was. Again.
I mean, give me some health metrics over ZigBee…
I would prefer the light didn’t come on tbh, too bright and people can see me through the front window looking for snacks in the dark
What are said cool features?
I mean for me it was the fact that it was an embedded tablet the fact that you could trade shopping list and automatically send them to your phones so that way you remembered what to get at the store or while you’re at the store items to be added. Capability for attack actually keep track of when stuff is expiring so that way you knew hey you know what I better go buy this even though it’s not on my list because what’s in here is going to be bad things like that. Also do enjoy watching and looking at recipes online having extra counter space and not having a tablet or having to pull my phone out every 30 seconds while looking at recipes or listening to music or even watching a show while I’m cooking on days like Thanksgiving having the football game playing stuff like that. People that are opposed to advancements in technology are often the ones that hold us back. But luckily there are far fewer people that are actually opposed to it and most of them are concentrated to small forms such as this. we can see based on the amount of sales that the vast majority of people do want the smart fridge new on additional features besides just being able to open and close it and keeping stuff cold or frozen.
Wow. Not even a tasteful design, just turning the fridge into a full fledged highway billboard. Disgusting.
Please stop buying these & they will stop making them.
This is capitalism, they will stop making the normal fridges and only make these fucking things. The only power customers truly have is through regulation(though we should still boycott things because it still helps).
In which case a new industry appears that makes smart appliances stupid.
Certain groups will lobby really hard to make it illegal and punishable.
So what? People do illegal shit all the time.
Yeah, true, but it certainly would add a lot of economic pressure on that industry.
Yes, but most people would put up with it instead because they’re afraid of the consequences. As much as they use “hackers” for scaring everyone these corporations likely don’t actually care since they know it’s only a handful of people. They know they just need to be stubborn enough for someone to forget after even only a couple months, or to create a boogie man to discourage them from fighting back.
It’s regulation or we’re fucked. Individuals do not have the necessary power to fight these large industries.
That’s not really true, we’re at the point where oligarchs basically have the unlimited money glitch, they don’t give a fuck about what the consumers ask for and just demand that we want things that help them screw us over. That’s why every job and every application process demands that prospective employees have their own car and their own smartphone.
Appliance repair man here. You can turn the screen off from a cover you remove from the top of the fridge door. Do so. You don’t need a fucking android tablet on your fridge.
Also don’t buy these kinds of appliances. They’re terrible!
Yeah man, I’ll take my 1990’s ass GE fridge I got for free over one of these any day.
It’s a significantly better fridge in every way a lot of my clients have a really hard time understanding or believing that.
But it doesn’t have stainless steel or French doors. I can’t even talk to Alexa on it. It’s just like, a fridge. Who wants that?
Are there any brands that are total shite these days? We are gonna have to replace our crappy Samsung fridge from 2013 soon.
Bosch makes a few descent models.
Things to skip on all brands.
External water & ice dispensers, doesnt matter the brand. You’re cutting a fucking hole in the thermal envelope to put a faulty device that’s experiencing mechanical stress on parts every time you open/close the door. It’s not a matter of if it will fail, but when. Also, increased operational cost. Internal water dispensers and automatic ice makers are always the better option if you want those features.
Smart features. Why the fuck do you need smart features on a fridge? Even if it’s using AI vision to scan for inventory… Just no, fucking no. That’s more personal data on you to be bought, sold, data breached, and utilized to fuck you somehow.
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
Fridges that split the freezer and fridge on a vertically.
THIS. they call them french doors. Stay away from this bullshit. You don’t need it.
No, French doors just means two doors that meet in the middle, usually just the fridge (which is up top) has it, and they’re ok usually. Split vertically is called side by side, and they suck, can’t even handle frozen pizza…
I remember helping my mom buy a fridge and the main thing was we wanted a good ice dispencer that wouldnt break, and the dude was like sorry dude doesnt exist they are all equally shitty, its always going to break, pick any
I just bought this one a couple months ago. It goes on sale frequently for $2K from Lowe’s: https://www.lowes.com/pd/Frigidaire-Gallery-21-5-cu-ft-4-Door-Counter-depth-French-Door-Refrigerator-with-Ice-Maker-Smudge-proof-Stainless-Steel-ENERGY-STAR/5013313509
Pretty sure we got an RMA for the first unit as the door had a scratch and the compressor fan sounded high pitched. Got a next day replacement and no complaints on the second one. Was concerned about sqft as we were coming from a 25sqft but am surprisingly happy with this one.
If you’re in the states you’ve probably had the ice maker replaced in that fridge.
I wouldn’t expect it to last much longer definitely count on it breaking down at some point in the very near future.
I’ve heard that appliances in general and refrigerators specifically, from the last many years are crap. I don’t know what the cut off date is, but I hear that they’re generally made to break after a few years now and don’t have replacement parts for very long. @mechoman444@lemmy.world may have a more informed answer, but it seems to me that people are better off buying old fridges used from friends or relatives.
I’m of the opinion that manufactures should be required to supply parts for appliances and equipment for a minimum of 10 years.
Completely agree. Not only for appliances but computers and smartphones too, including security updates.
Samsung appliances used to be durable.
I had a Samsung washing machine for about two decades. We deciced to replace it with another Samsung, it already has a big crack in the plastic after a year of use and the top is all scratched just by dragging the clothes out.
Speed Queen, my parents bought one in 1992 and it lasted over 20 years with almost no issues. When it finally started needing regular maintenance mom replaced it and got another Speed Queen, ten years later not a single issue yet.
Washing machines from 10 years ago are not comparable to the washing machines now and their build quality. Even the speed Queen ones from then to now are far different
The spindles holding the baskets are raw aluminum, which corrodes with detergent. They are designed to fail in 7 years. For many companies, you can’t buy the replacement part, and Bosch seals the drum so you can not repair at all.
Damn, South Korean industry really going the way of American car manufacturing, huh?
Your first mistake was buying anything Samsung.
How long before the fridge’s compressor swells up and explodes
You joke but Samsung fridge compressors ARE notorious for catastrophic mechanical failure.
A fridge on fire is, like, literally the opposite of what a fridge should do >.>;;;
Okay then, any suggestions on what brand to buy?
I for one like this fella’s takes.
He services these appliances. Which is to say, he is specifically doing business with people who want to repair and keep theirs, and he has hands on in depth experience not only restoring them to working order but specific direct observation of what their faults and failure modalities are. He bases his positions on how robust a machine is such that people actually bother to get it fixed instead of just replacing it with a “new” one as if whole ass several hundred dollar appliances are single use appliances.
I bet these smart fridges are banned on flights too. Ridiculous.
At least we’ll still be able to take our dumb fridge with us right?
They’ve taken away so much but at least we still have our flight fridges. As long as they are dumb fridges that is.
I would like to agree, unfortunately Samsung still gives the longest updates on sub 150 euro phones.
But yeah, why does a refrigerator needs a screen in the first place? My white branded fridge must be nearing at least 15 years old, could use new rubber but apart from what still working perfectly.
The fact that you need updates for a phone is a symptom of the same sort of problem though. These companies are holding us digitally hostage, they tie more ropes around us every day, and the only way to escape is to get out of their reach.
At least try to struggle.
My place came with samsung laundry machines. I’ve already regretted it.
Do Not Buy
This. 100%
Kill it with fire.
Disconnect it from the Internet for starters. Why else would a company want to sell you a fridge with a screen?
What can you even do on an un-networked fridge screen? Play bejeweled while contemplating suicide?
Cool screensavers.
A year ago I found out my TV didn’t even have a “Forget this network” button. You had to
- Make a new WiFi network
- Connect it to that
- Turn off new WiFi network
In order to disconnect it. I went down this road because every time I watched a Blu RAY, it would pop-up an ad saying “HERE ARE OTHER WAYS YOU COULD WATCH THIS MOVIE YOU OBVIOUSLY DON’T NEED!”
Heh. That’s how i “delete” my credit card info from a service that i don’t want to do business with anymore.
- Generate a virtual card through my financial institution
- Assign that card to handle payment of that subscription via the merchant
- Shut off the card.
Eat shit Disney. I’m never paying you a dime ever again.
Couldnt you just change your wifi password and not tell the TV?
Yes, but I’d have to change my WiFi for every other device in my house
Why does a fridge need a screen to begin with?
To justify the constant upcharges. Touchscreens still feel much more luxurious than they’re actually worth. Car manufacturers do the same to save money.
Could be I’m the minority here, but touchscreens stopped feeling like a value add years ago. Somehow I’ve wrapped back around to a good button or knob being the marker of quality. One of the reasons I chose my current vehicle was because they let the most common controls (climate, radio, etc) stay tactile.
You are far from alone. ACTUAL knobs, buttons, dials, switches, and levers are things I’m hearing more and more people saying they miss.
Yeah, I figured that’s almost assuredly the case on a forum like Lemmy (or Reddit prior to the Exodus) but I don’t know whether it can be extrapolated to the public at large. I’m practically a Luddite compared to many folks around here, but I’m possibly the most advanced computer user among my peers simply because I know a couple Win key shortcuts and I’ve used powershell before (with no comprehension of what I was doing, to be clear).
It seems like most folks are willing to put up with bad UX, whether due to ignorance or apathy.
It’s literally not an extrapolation. Multiple manufacturers are going back to buttons, Volkswagen and Honda being two of the first, now Cadillac is doing rnd for gm with a new row of premium feeling ones. And this is purely because of consumer backlash on touchscreens.
Edit: https://www.kbb.com/car-news/buttons-are-coming-back-to-cars-but-they-will-take-time/ Source link that’s not just my ass
One more but from 2020 https://www.carscoops.com/2020/03/honda-goes-back-to-dials-and-buttons-as-customers-grow-weary-of-touchscreens/
The best part about this is it’s an ad for Pluribus where, without spoiling anything, a message like that on a fridge would absolutely work in the show.
It is a perfectly placed ad.
Honestly, it’d work in the 5th element, or judge dredd, total recall, Cyberpunk 2077, the outer worlds, etc.
Bravo, Vince!
by the way the fridge cost 1800$
Wait why the fuck would a fridge be connected to the internet?
Edit: where I come from we don’t have unlimited internet plans so this would just be taking up expensive bandwidth and monthly quota.
I’m not defending this practice because it’s remarkably awful but I will note that I have a router that lets me monitor the traffic that individual devices use and most smart devices like this actually use incredibly small amounts of bandwidth. Our smart water tank uses ~10 MB a month which is smaller than most images.
And yes I do think a smart water tank is valid because it can do shit like tell me when it thinks it’s about to explode or leak or whatever and it can also like, be remote controlled, and it has a heat pump which is nice.
I suppose I’d want to know if my fridge was about to explode… /s
In seriousness, though, you’re right - the problem isn’t with the technology, it’s how the technology is used
I’m also not against automation or making machines “smart” it’s just that what companies are marketing nowadays is just mostly overpriced shit.
And by consuming bandwidth I didn’t mean for the indented usage I was mostly talking about the ads which will probably be filled with unnecessary metadata, trackers, unnecessarily large CSS files (if it was web based) and maybe high quality images. All of these things I find completely unnecessary.
Also coming from a computer engineering background if I was living in a “smart households” I would probably want to set up my own firewall. And like I said while I like the idea of home automation I don’t want a corporation to be able to control or access my appliances too.
Recently I read an article about smart devices uploading and downloading over 1GB per day. I tried to find the article again but all I can find is stores selling smart fridges etc. Search engines are broken. I asked chatgpt, which was able to find articles. How fucked is this. Boring dystopia. Anyway, here are some sources.
https://www.tomshardware.com/networking/your-washing-machine-could-be-sending-37-gb-of-data-a-day
https://www.reddit.com/r/smarthome/s/F5ETernz6f
https://www.reddit.com/r/SmartThings/s/HY2E0uOBiH
In the following article they talk about devices sending up to 19MB per week, but only text (so again insane amounts of data considering it’s only text).
https://www.consumerreports.org/electronics/privacy/smart-appliances-and-privacy-a1186358482/
The following is about researchers finding lots of thirst party domains when analyzing IoT traffic from Smart devices.
https://arxiv.org/abs/1909.09848
The following is an academic paper on how even encrypted data isn’t safe from Smart devices. Bit off topic, but still interesting.
I tried to find the article again but all I can find is stores selling smart fridges etc. Search engines are broken.
I was able to find some links using duckduckgo including the same article from “Tomshardware” so at least that still works.
Again I don’t know why a washing machine would need an internet connection it’s not like you can remotely load it.
I mean I do understand the appeal and usefulness of smart homes and some IoT devices but companies are pushing AI and internet connectivity like it’s some kind of magic that makes any product better. I mean it would be nice to have a centralised panel to view your usage patterns and consumption but even then you don’t need all this overpowered tech stuff.
The whole selling points was to track fridge contents via cameras so that not only could you ‚see’ inside without having to open the door - theoretically saving electricity, using AI it was supposed to be able to track expiry dates, and suggest shopping lists in order to have full recipes.
Additionally it had all the usual „smart home” integrations on top of that.
But let’s be honest, the whole point was just to put in yet another screen that vendors could sell advertisements on, as well as track/sell personal information.
For no good reason whatsoever
Fridge with ads should be 1/3 the price with free repairs
Sorry, the best I could do is increase the price by 20% and bombard you with 24/7 ads.
Also ad free refrigerators will be rapidly phased out
Also, these will break down more often and not be easy to repair
Free with free repairs.
