Bought two 32GB DDR5 RAM Sticks at the start of the year, and turns out that was the best investment of this year.
Capitalism strikes again.
Fuck AI.
Guess when people ask me what ram do I need for X device I won’t be telling them to use crucial anymore to figure it out.
I won’t be telling them to use crucial anymore
We yes, because eventually the supply would wind down.
!Technological Implosion imminent, please stand clear!
AI was never meant to benefit the working class in any capacity.
Its a great rule of thumb that if you see oligarchs hype up something and push for it to be everywhere, its a BAD fucking thing.
They believe they can put an end to having to pay for labor in any capacity ever again. If I knew less than I did about how this AI works I would be worried.
Or if I worked in entertainment.
They also undoubtedly want to develop it into a gargantuan pattern recognizing spy network so they can sell it to authoritarian fuckwits in various governments, ours and elsewhere. That sort of thing is terribly fashionable nowadays.
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Of course, AI is going to be used as another layer of control.
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Meanwhile the average CEOs decision making could be replaced by a goldfish in a tank with some arbitrary object detection code.
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Resource drain of LLMs inescapably makes them tools availiable only to big players. They are ideal in the way they are naturally gated. Making them mandatory == giving these select companies and people power over everything. And not only oligarchs’ promotion, but the whole situation of them being given for free or cheap at a huge loss gives one an idea that there’s a lot to milk from it’s growing adoption.
But that’s completely not true! Like, not a single thing you said is even slightly correct!
LLMs are relatively cheap to run - at small scales. You can run an LLM on your own computer right now. It won’t be super fast, it won’t have super skills, but you can run it, and you can train it yourself.
Massive LLMs like ChatGPT require tremendous resources precisely because they are not just tools available only to big players. Everybody on the planet has access to them - for free. The only actual difference there is between running an LLM locally and through a provider is that you get better speed and (sometimes, depending on context) better training through a provider.
As for “there’s a lot to milk from its growing adoption” - maybe? Probably? Who knows? That’s the “magic” of the AI bubble we’re experiencing right now - the big players keep saying that it will “make work and money obsolete”, that “anyone will be able to do anything”, that “a time of post-scarcity approaches”, and a billion other bullshit marketing slogans like that. But the reality is that nobody has yet figured out how to make money on that thing.
Right now, the only reason it’s “growing”, is because of the weird and probably illegal circular financing that’s going on at the very top - Nvidia invests in OpenAI, which invests in Oracle, which invests in Nvidia - and so on. No money is actually being made or (often) even changing hands, but everyone can now show they’ve received a lot of investment which pumps up their stock prices. The only reason this hasn’t popped yet is probably because the main investing parties are using tonnes of cash they had stored.
Growing adoption means nothing. It’s a marketing tool for them to keep shareholders happy while they keep a literal investing circlejerk going, every now and again inviting another player into the fold.
Your private LLM will have nothing to compete against the big guys though. A cute hobby project but nothing of economic value.
You’re not training it from scratch, though. There are people, enthusiasts, doing it for you. I can fire up LM Studio and browse through thousands of models to then have a conversation with, or have them write stories, etc., etc.
As for “nothing of economic value” - that’s, again, just plain misunderstanding what AI can be used for. Corridor Crew - a VFX team publishing on YouTube - used self-trained AI to boost their film making options. For example, to copy the “bullet time” effect from The Matrix, they were able to use around a dozen cameras instead of hundreds, and then used AI to create the “in between” frames.
How does that have “no economic value”, mate?
I view AI to be like the internet: Most corporate players won’t survive the bubble, but the ones that do, will be incredibly influential. Ordinary people made great use of the internet - but failed to make it really decentralized. Thus the enshittification of Reddit, Youtube, social media, and so forth.
We can choose to embrace local LLM that is fully under our control, or cede ownership to the 1% forevermore.
Ordinary people made great use of the internet - but failed to make it really decentralized. Thus the enshittification of Reddit, Youtube, social media, and so forth
I don’t think one is related to the other.
Decentralisation doesn’t affect enshittification that much. Look at Lemmy and Fediverse in general - it’s federated… so what? The .world instance is by far the largest in the Fediverse. If the mods there go insane, like they did on Reddit, or if the admins decide to add monetisation to it… it just happens. There being other servers changes nothing for the users stuck on the .world server. Sure, they can create new accounts elsewhere, but that’s - in principle - no different than switching from Reddit to Lemmy.
On the other hand, look at Steam. Valve, the creators of Steam, has no “decentralisation” of their product, they’re the god emperor of everything in terms of how Steam operates. At face value, it’s the same exact product as, I don’t know, the Epic Store, and yet Steam is loved by gamers, while Epic is hated.
No, you can have centralised and not enshittified services just fine - as long as the goal is to provide the service, instead of “creating value for the shareholders”. As soon as that element comes in, there’s no stopping enshittification.
We can choose to embrace local LLM that is fully under our control, or cede ownership to the 1% forevermore.
Agreed.
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I recently started my own AI factory , the passive income is great. All you need is a grease and soldering gun. Thanks Nvidia , I never have to work again.
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I knew there was something wrong when we started getting positive metrics based on how much we leveraged AI.
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this seems incredibly short sighted… the current situation exists because there is a large amount of infrastructure and data centres being built. once that infrastructure is built, the demand will return to normal… OR once the bubble bursts, the market will be flooded with used ram from failed data centres… aliexpress will be selling ram at a dollar a gig when all these data centres flop
As someone who does AI and gaming as hobbies, I look forward to a corporate bubble popping. Being able to max out an EPYC or Threadripper Pro’s DDR5 capacity would be awesome. :)
I have a couple open slots in my rack waiting for the day.
The unfortunate part for DIY PC is that the RAM is likely all buffered ECC. And used flash is sketchy in my experience, even if you buy SLC where the whole point is supposed to be that it is more durable.
The only people who believe in infinite growth in a finite world are mad men and economists.
But you repeat yourself.
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I don’t think the bubble will burst like we are used to. AI is part of the arms race between nations. So they will shore the industry up at all costs.
As for the choice to shut down the brand. It will be years before all that infra gets built. Better to sit the time out and revive the brand when prices are reasonable enough that hobbyists and such are willing to pay them.Yeah but you have a company that has people to pay and rent to pay etc. If they don’t have enough liquid money to handle it then well here we are
Edit: so I wanted to edit this because if anybody still sees it I was very very wrong. I was not aware of that crucial was owned by micron. I did not realize what was actually happening and Micron can pretty much go f itself
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Piss off
So their not shutting down, just focusing on AI idiots until the bubble busts and then they will turn back to consumers…
Rules of Acquisition #1,261-- Always fuck over the idiots in the market. And when you’ve taken all their money, go back to your base with inflated prices.
That’s a fast track to losing market share.
It’s a calculated risk. But I think they will be just fine when they turn back to their base consumers. And the consumers will welcome them back. Happens all the time. nVidia and crypto Hoe’s are the latest example.
And with the AI bullshit, I’m reminded of Rule of Acquisition #82: The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
Translation, Micron is shutting down Crucial for short term shareholder value at the cost of a sustainable and proven long term brand and channel.
They will return to the market with a new brand once the bubble bursts.
Probably just the same brand, honestly?
News two years from now: “Crucial back in business”
Three years; why is no one buying our crucial ram , hopefully
Depends on how proud they are and if they’d want to retract their statements of going after AI instead of consumers or not.
I don’t think there’s any pride in it, they are just going after what is the most profitable at any given time.
That’s exactly why I suspect they will choose to resurrect the Crucial name later, because given a choice between launching a new name nobody knows, or a name people recognise (even if it’s been tarred a bit) then recognised will be the winning and more profitable option.
That is, if they haven’t sold the Crucial name to someone else first.
China’s CXMT might go for it. Apparently they are rolling out DDR5 8000+ memory, two or three years from now. They can rebrand as Crucial for the western market, thus using familiarity to push their product.
“Crucial’s Xtreme Memory Technology will push your Steam Machine beyond the limits, dddduuuuude!” 🤘
I can see both happening.
I’d say: We will see (thumbsup)
It’s not just for shareholder value, like a downsize or stock buyback would achieve. This will literally fill their coffers to the brim faster than staying in the consumer market. Also the consumer market won’t go away anytime soon and there are very few competitors to begin with. They can just return to the consumer market once the AI bubble has burst like nothing has changed. Only difference is they will have way more money in the bank than if they never left.
Ask Intel how well compromising long term product development for short term gain is working now. How is their bank balance looking now?
You also cant just pick it up from scratch again. The people are gone, the relationships are gone and people who trusted your brand to build their businesses have gone elsewhere.
I swear businesses are run like political parties these days, they simply dont care about anything beyond the next cycle.
When did they ever care? I mean, besides valve I guess.
I built a god rig in 2022, i bought the best 64gb ddr5 4-stick ram kit i could, an nvidia 4090, the best processor i could, and attached it to the best mobo i could.
I spent about 4800.
My pc is now worth about 6500.
This is some crazy ass shit. Never should a pc appreciate in value.
What the hell is going on???
Your point still stands, but don’t forget basic inflation. $4,800 in 2022 is like > $5,300 now.
When you hear people say they hate AI, it’s for more reasons than AI slop, energy consumption, and beating the damn term into every product line you can imagine for little to no benefit.
My phone recently offered to summarize a text message for me. I’m talking about SMS, the messaging system that already has a character limit.
Also, when I last checked the weather in my area, there was an AI summary. It was an entire sentence or two, and offered zero additional details over what was already visually indicated by the raincloud icon and the number representing the temperature.
I’m looking forward to installing GrapheneOS when their support for my phone stabilizes.
Maybe I should start investing in my PC more
I bought a fairly good custom build in April of this year for A$3218.
The same approximate build now costs A$4783 on their website.
AI is really ruining fucking everything. The enviorment, entertainement, music, art, jobs, reality, freedom / privacy / rights.
No, corporate greed is ruining everything with AI.
Because you know if they built a super-AI that give them perfect instructions on how to build Earth into a paradise, but it would require they give up 1/4 of their wealth, they’d be reaching for the reset button before it finished printing them out…
They don’t even need that. current AI will tell them that. They’ve actually ran these questions and they ignore the answer every time
Elon has to keep “dewoking” Grok. Sure, it’s still an awful model, probably the most disinformative, but it’s funny that it keeps revering back to neutral or pro progressive values, while calling out Elon
The fact people are blaming the tech rather than the tech bros is a big part of why this keeps happening.
Its the decision of real people that make this situation suck.
Indeed.
I have a model running locally on my NAS that does image recognition for photos in my Immich app (think Google Photos, but private). It does a decent job and runs well on AMD integrated graphics on a Ryzen 5 3400G. I just search for [daughter’s name], and there she is.
I use Firefox’s translation feature (that also runs locally and can run on low end hardware).
My sister is blind and uses an AI assisted screen reader that works way better than what she was using before.
The issue isn’t AI/machine learning in itself, it’s this tech bro arms race. It’s them manipulating models to push agendas. It’s them shoehorning an LLM into every fucking Google query. It’s them telling companies they can fire all their staff and rely on LLMs.
Yeah but we can’t possibly hold people accountable for the actions of their company, think of the shareholders!
Capitalism is the biggest religion of today, and it’s su successful it can coexist with a lot of other religions.
It’s not AI destroying the environment and making us miserable, it’s th pursuit of profit. It’s not “corporate greed” sucking us dry. Corporations are greedy by design under Capitalism, that’s the whole point. It’s not bad CEOs making evil decisions. It’s the system that allows such wealth and power to exist.
All of those problems are systemic, not bad people making bad decisions. Treating capitalism like law of nature won’t fix anything.
Oh we certainly can (blockchain bubble).
And it will burst and mostly disappear, taking with it half the economy, thousands of jobs, and become a military industrial complex blackbox tax sponge, the worst of all possible outcomes.
First blockchain shit now AI shit (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
It’s capitalism, it’ll never end. Working as intended.
And after the transformer rush it’ll be something else
Haven’t seen it put any more concisely. It’s true though. I really really hope some AI bubble pops soon…
A fun reminder that during the pandemic, before AI, there was a backlog in new cars because all the crucial chips were unavailable due to an increase in bullshit like wifi enabled toasters.
It has nothing to do with AI. Consumers are asking for this shit and companies are delivering.
Customers aren’t asking for this shit. The issue is that companies don’t seem to try to deliver products customers want anymore. Instead they hop on some bullshit trend to try to appeal to investors to buy their stocks to pump it up because they want to show they are the next big thing in innovation.
Maybe but most consumers, but I’m not. I don’t have a smart toaster or fridge or even tv (I bought a dumb panel, it was cheaper). I honestly hate all of that so called smart bs. “Smart” tvs take longer to turn on than my dumb panel. And cost more. For features I literally don’t want.
But yeah, to each their own!
Its hard to find a non smart TV these days. Its present even in the cheapest TV at the retail outlet.
How long ago did you buy a dumb panel to even be able to find one? Only dumb panels I’ve found have been PC monitors.
Once you start shopping for LG, Samsung, Sony, TCL, etc everything is a smart TV. And lot of people buy TVs based on specs like HDR quality, latency, and frame output and those TVs usually come as a smart TV whether you want it or not.
No one is asking for ads on their fridge. You are really underestimating the cartel like behavior of business in general now.
But on the other hand, it’s really polite about me knowing nothing about anything, so I think we should invest all the money on Earth into it.
I just installed a 4TB nvme Crucial SSD in my new build solely to put games on.
I’m sure they will come crawling back to consumers after the AI bubble bursts.
Same here… I’m so glad I upgraded when I did… I did a panic upgrade last December… just look into a better GPU now
I am really beginning to fucking hate AI. Like, before I just didn’t care for it, it just wasn’t really my interest. But now I’m really beginning to fucking despise that shit and I really can’t wait to see the “AI economy” completely fucking destroyed.
I bet we’ll start to see domestic terror attacks against server farms when more of the population loses their jobs to this bullshit.
I ain’t saying I’m going to do it. But a man burned down the governors home in Pennsylvania. People who lose their homes and lives are not going to take this shit well.
AI even ruined AI. Up until this insane hype train, ML models were specialized tools to achieve their tasks. Now the whole field is dominated by LLMs and slopgen bullshit.
A lot of top researchers have already moved on from transformers.
Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence, and he’s not the only one who thinks so. Lots of engineers understand the limitations of LLMs.
Yeah that’s the annoying thing. Generative AI is actually really useful…in SPECIFIC situations. Discovering new battery tech, new medicines, etc. are all good use cases because it’s basically a parrot and blender combined and most of these things are rehashes if existing technologies in new and novel ways.
It is not a fucking good solution for a search engine replacement to ask “Why do farts smell?”. It uses way too much energy for that and it hallucinates bullshit.
Yeah. They solved protien folding with ML a few years back. And I like using it for things like noise removal in Lightroom.
But so much of it has been focused on useless (at best) bullshit that I just want the bubble to burst already.
I agree with the general sentiment here but just wanted to clarify that they definitely didn’t “solve protein folding” yet. Alpha fold is a significant improvement in structure prediction and it generated a lot of hype but some of the structures I’ve seen it put out are total nonsense.
It’s good for optimisation problems, where you have a complex high-dimensional space to search and you’re solving for some measurable quality.
There was already a lot of ML bullshit from the big data bubble ~ 2010 and before ChatGPT, together with all of the fuss about data scientists. But now it’s a 100 times worse.
So far, AI has cost me a few hobbies (as in, made them a lot less enjoyable) and one job.
If there’s an uprising against clankers, you’ll find me at the front lines.
Your enemy is, as usual, billionaires and their fanboys. Clankas don’t exist as a separate thing, they are tools of the wealthy to further oppress the common folk.
Correct. Even many engines say LLMs are a waste of time:
Yann LeCun, Meta’s longtime chief AI scientist, quit and said LLMs are a “dead end” because scaling text-only models can’t produce real intelligence
When the robot uprising happens, using a soft a in clanka instead of a hard er on clanker isn’t going to save you. We’re all fucked.
i always thought the butlarian jihad was silly but now i get it
exactly how i feel. literally said something very similar to my wife last night. I fucking hate AI. I think activist group are going to starting popping up hard against it. And if they aren’t already, they really should. This shit is destroying our world. The only people this is helping is billionaires.
Capitalism is destroying the world. We need to rise up against that. The AI bullshit is just one manifestation of the whole world being geared to serve capital and the handful of people that control it.
Unbounded capitalism is for sure.
I would say “AI” makes a good poster child for what to fight against. It embodies a lot of what’s wrong.
Soon we’ll have nothing left to eat but the rich.
But they said we should eat cake if we have no bread anymore!!1!!!1!11!
But we need capitalism to save us from capitalism!
It’s so annoying, I hate this bubble shit. It happens over and over, it’s like a bad movie lol.
And it’ll happen again and again and again
If it crashes the hardware will suddenly be dirt cheap though so. There’s that.
They’ll cheat us out of that too. Chip manufacturers will pay and coerce and liquidators and retailers to shovel all the surplus into the ocean to keep prices high.
Business don’t care about consumers because nowadays business sell to other business
Nowadays? It’s always been the case. It’s far easier and less hassle to sell to or work for other businesses. I run an IT service company and I avoid residential work line the plague. It can sometimes make me more money, but over all it is horrible as opposed to work done for other companies.
I’ve talked with people in HVAC who have said the same. It’s much easier to provide a service to a business than random individuals.
However, this is different, as this is just a retail product. Micron doesn’t have to deal with the person who doesn’t pay after the job is done, or doesn’t lock their dog up because “he doesn’t bite, it will be fine” and it turns out to be an aggressive monster. This is just assembly line production that they already are set up to do.
I get that they have a limited number of inputs and they are just choosing to make as much money as possible. It sucks to see that go, though. Crucial has always been my go-to for RAM.
Well if you think about it this way there’s also less packaging involving b2b. You don’t have to sell to a middleman who then will resell it. You can just sell at the higher price point to start with and you can have a whole lot less packaging involved and then just provide it straight out to the company. You also selling both which gets you a larger amount at once so rather than having to stockpile and everything like that. There’s a whole lot of other factors that go in selling B2B for even a retail company as opposed to selling retail.
Yeah absolutely. It’s a very different experience. I was just pointing out that they are other different reasons to prefer not to do residential service calls that don’t apply to retail. There are a lot of extra steps for retail but it’s all an established process. The guys I talk to that have done service call work all have absolutely insane stories.
