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We were due for a new car, but because of all the data garbage wasn’t keen on brand new. My wife found a 2004 car in mint mechanical condition and pristine interior, so went back in time.
Maybe a company somewhere will recognize this emerging market.
For tractor’s someone in Canada has figured it out.
Getting ads for vibe coding on that article is so funny
Too bad they didn’t go electric, though.
There is an EV company that understood and is make a blank Slate truck. I think the initial PR said no radio or navi, just a blank dash. Because people who want nav could add it or use a phone. Drops Costa by staying simple.
Slate is backed by Bezos.
Aw crap
Wait! It might be backed by Bezos, but it looks like it’s offering what many ask for: a bare non-connected EV!
From the FAQ: no infotainment, no bluetooth, no connectivity!
Some holders for BT speakers, tablets, or whatever you want to get there, bring your own infotainment.
A car that’s not connected cannot spy on you!
Does it have a flux capacitor?
Just get whatever car you want, disconnect the cell network antenna, and connect that wire through a resistor to ground. The car will forever think it’s outside of cell signal range and will operate with none of the connectivity features, none of the spyware, none of the ‘emergency’ controls.
There’s maybe still a bit of concern about your car preserving data on its internal storage that you’d rather it not preserve, but other than that, this is a simple fix that solves all the ‘car is too high tech’ issues. If you don’t know how to do it yourself, I’m sure you can find some independent mechanics who will do it for you.
Ah congrats, not only have you voided your warranty, but your insurance company now refuses to insure your vehicle, and it cannot be legally driven.
That is where this is headed.
Where it’s headed? Maybe…
But that’s definitely not where it is now. A small, reversible modification like this won’t void your warranty in any meaningful way (unless you then go in to make a warranty claim about your connectivity features not working). And no insurance company is going to care whether you’ve disconnected the internet connection antenna – even if they wanted to … how would they know?
The insurance companies already have dongles that “give you a discount” (read: price-gouge anyone not using them) for snooping on your driving. I’m sure they’re very excited for that functionality to be built into all cars so they have an excuse to make it mandatory for providing coverage.
Insurance wants the data so they can use it jack your rates up and have even more excuses to not cover claims.
I bet they got a failsafe for that too. Like 2 weeks to a month later, you get something of a hard fail error that shuts everything down and forces you to contact the manufacturer for maintenance…
Possibly, I suppose. Nothing is stopping them from doing that. Though it would be a huge dick move, and it might end up exposing them to a lot more warranty claims than they planned on if something goes wrong with that ‘car kills itself if it goes too long without cell signal’ system.
Like … suppose a perfectly normal owner leaves his car parked inside an underground parking garage or a metal shed while he goes on vacation … and then comes back a few weeks to a month later and finds out that his car won’t work at all? Now the dealership is on the hook for towing fees, half an hour of technician labor to reset the system, and maybe even the use of a loaner car for a day. That potential cost seems to really outweigh the ‘benefit’ of preventing any owner from purposefully disconnecting their car.
Anyway, if you somehow end up with a car like that, then you might need to be a bit more creative in the solution: instead of connecting the antenna wire directly to a resistor, you’ll need to connect it with a 2-way switch. One position on the switch connects it to a grounded resistor, the other position connects it to the original antenna. Then you just have to remember to occasionally turn the car’s spyware on for a few minutes every month or two, just long enough to reset its internal self-destruct timer. (Though it is possible that it might be collecting data while disconnected and then sending that collected data once the connection is reestablished. In that case, this isn’t a very good solution, though it would at least prevent them from fucking with you in real time.)
Media players for cinemas have something broadly similar - if a clock in a media board drifts too far (outside about five mins) it requires a tech to hard reset it. You get two of these a year.
Outside that it permabricks $20,000 of equipment and you can go fuck yourself.
There’s probably a fuse you could just pull instead that shuts down that entire system
Possibly… But it’s likely that the internet modem is integrated together with the car’s radio head unit, or at least pulls power through the same fuse. Since it’s fairly unlikely that they have a single fuse that only powers the cell connection, the fuse-pulling approach is likely to disable other things as well, possibly some pretty important things.
Going after the antenna wire ensures that you only disable the internet connection, nothing else.
I’m doing both. I want these systems totally offline. If I could, I’d tear them the f out of the car entirely. This shit is evil.
Fwiw your second paragraph is reality. Mechanics automatically upload the stored data when they jump through the licensing and computing hoops to clear codes, update serial numbers for replacement parts, etc
Bicycles are vehicles. I definitely own it.
“acoustic lip reading”? Reading lips by sound waves wouldn’t they just put a microphone in there?
Theres probably sone regulation against actually just recording the conversation…
But they’re doing that too… for “ad monetization”
Ad selection may be local to the device.
Most states require two party consent to record audio otherwise it’s wiretapping.
Acoustic ultrasonic distance mapping isn’t counted as wiretapping. They aren’t recording your speech, they’re inferring your speech.
It’s actually the other way around. There are only 11 two-party consent states. All the rest, plus DC are single-party consent, but usually the single consenting party has to be one of the participants of the conversation.
inb4 “By buying this vehicle, you consent to use recording every interaction you have within and outside the cab.”
Most states require two party consent to record audio otherwise it’s wiretapping.
That was before multi-billions dollars companies found a way to monetize this. Then they’ll intensively
lobbypay lawmakers to amend the laws so that either cars get a waiver or starting up the car will be considered as a consent.
Wait, so regular “lip reading” is looking at someone’s lips to determine what they’re saying.
Add “acoustic” and it involves sound. So… sound-based lip reading? Isn’t that just recording something with a microphone with the “lip reading” part being unnecessary?
Maybe they mean using laser to observe acoustics moving an object like a window?
What does that have to do with lips?
It’s metonymy, maybe?
I mean you don’t own public transit anyway so maybe this will renew a public transit push.
Buses already have cameras, and it’s only a matter of (not much) time before a genius proposes to add face id and “behavioral assessment” by AI.
Dystopian. This shit is going to be everywhere.
I’m so glad I bought a homestead and live in the middle of no where
This is every 10 year olds dream
Until you break your arm or your dog is dying and needs emergency care.
Humans shouldn’t be that isolated. Some is fine. But isolation isnt how we fight fascism.
This is why I live halfway between nowhere and somewhere. Vets and hospital and poor reception so pulling the cell antenna off seems to bork onstar.
Nice, that’s the best way
My partner broke their leg last year. I just took them to the hospital…
So to you, middle of nowhere must be an hour or less to a city with a hospital. Thats normal rural. True middle of nowhere is a 6 hour drive at 80 mph to a town of 2000 (think north east Montana)
When i think of true home steading I don’t think of 1 acre 15 miles from town. Thats just an acreage, plenty of city folk have those.
I live on 15 acres, 20 minutes from a town of around 20,000 just just happens to have a hospital.
In my province, I’m in the middle of no where. I’m on a rural dirt road that sees zero traffic.
Also, shout out to “true homesteading”, as if you’re gatekeeping farming.
Thats mildly rural.
I’m sick of these “trad farm” folks that keep popping up thinking they’re “roughing it” when they’ve never worked on a farm in their life.
You dont seem like one of those.
That’s not how patents work.
You know what? Fine. Don’t elaborate, I don’t care anyway.
I can elaborate, I just thought it’s obvious.
Companies don’t patent things because they have a product and they want to sell it, because they think it may make them profit in the future or even because they thin it’s a good idea in general.
Companies get patents when they find an idea novel enough to patent it. They want to have big portfolio of patents for two main reasons:
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investors like it. They think the company is innovative and intellectual property adds value to the company. it basically looks good to have a lot of patents
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it’s ammunition in patent wars. If your competitor tries to sue you for infringing on their patents you can always find some patents in your portfolio where you can claim that they infringe them and sue them in retaliation. A lawsuit can turn in to a negotiation. The more patents you have the more protection from lawsuits
Patenting something doesn’t mean company is about to turn it into a product. It just means they managed to patent something. When I worked in IBM the company was giving bonuses for successful patent applications. It was a requirement for some higher managerial positions to get some patents for the company. The process was simple: you send your idea to the lawyers, they check if the idea is patented already, if not they apply for the patent. It had nothing to do with IBMs business plans. It was purely legal evaluation.
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I have a 2020 model CUV. Bit after infotainment, but before the all-digital dash bullshit.
I will be driving it until the wheels fall off, or until gas is literally no longer available.
No surprise coming from a company that was founded by a nazi and also build most cop cars.
Why does this video feel like AI? Not trying to cast doubt on the content by any means - fuck car manufactures (and iirc Mercedes is already doing something similar), but the random speeds and weird inflections make this feel like AI slop.
Pretty sure it’s slightly sped up, which might be giving it an uncanny feel.
Oh that makes sense. I specifically don’t watch videos sped up because I hate how it feels lol. It’s hard not to be suspicious of everything I see on the internet though too.
Called it years ago. Snowden told us . we knew it would happen.
found a 2011 Ford Ranger with 50k miles on her and I will drive this analog truck until I die
I’ve been riding motorcycles for a couple decades and now that they’re all fancy and computer controlled, most bike have their ECUs cracked within a couple years. Granted most of the time it’s to remove Euro-5 emissions controls 🙄, or remove speed limiters. But could this be an option to disable car surveillance?
I recognize car companies will probably retaliate by saying you voided warranty, but so far most motorcycle companies don’t do that.
There are those still content with gas engine performance.
I sincerely doubt this will be limited to EVs going forward.
No, they use them because of the smell and noise. Infant seeking attention.
Could we not just jailbreak these cars?
It should be possible and easy to jailbreak and set up self hosting solutions for the premium features
They’ll mandate that jail broken cars can’t pass inspection or something like that or if your car stops connecting to your insurance’s servers then they’ll cancel your coverage. Maybe even make it a crime.
You know what a jailbroken car is called?
Horse.
