you know you can’t resist those eyes
The Matrix hits different once you realize everything was humanity’s fault
“<film> hits different once you listen to what the characters say” is truly a take
Let people grow, man.
fair actually
if you know something i don’t you are a nerd and if you don’t know something i know then you are an idiot
Whatever, nerd.
Shut up idiot
Guys guys guys! Don’t fight! Let’s meet in the middle and compromise, you’re both nerdiots!
objectively correct, making everyone simultaneously a nerd and an idiot, which cancels out.
except santa, the fucken nerd
Letting people call you out on online forums is a part of growth, it was for me and I feel like it was for many of us
Was referring to the Animatrix 1st and 2nd Renaissance genius.
Damn, they accused you of not paying attention and then you brought out the deep lore
i’ve seen animatrix but it’s also, like, in the original
Morpheus literally says they dont know who striked first. The Matrix doesnt mention anything about how or why the war started. Just that it started. The Animatrix tells you that the war started because the robot capital had basically destroyed the global economy so humans tried to wipe them out
Humanity created everything that led to its destruction.
The message was clear in the first movie. We didn’t need to see “Han shot first” or “Han shot in self defense after changes to the story came about years later”.
Although in no way will I be complaining about more matrix, bring me more matrix history, animated or live action! I just think the message doesn’t change whether humans shot first or not. We created the circumstances, our downfall was our own making.
“we don’t know” is a pretty damning thing for the one side to say. contrast starship troopers.
Fight Club really hits different when you realize the main character is Tyler Durden
Avatar really hits different when you realize the Navi are just defending themselves.
Indiana Jones really hits different when you realize the bad guys are Nazis.
Jurassic park really hits different when you realize John Hammond ignored all the warnings.
John Wick really hits different when you realize they killed his dog.
Star Wars really hits different when you realize the chosen one bringing balance meant revitalizing the dark side.
… Old men like me don’t bother with making points. There’s no point.
the santa clause really hits different when you realise the title refers to the rule, not the person
Ohhhhhhh
They don’t say that in the first movie.
not explicitly in a line, but the whole “scorched the sky” monologue is pretty damning of humanity.
It’s been said a million times that the human battery thing makes no sense in terms of energy production. But the other huge sin the Matrix commits is having humans block out the sun so robots can’t get solar power. That is ridiculously stupid. Humans need to grow crops. I rest my case. It’s stupid. I love these movies, but that part is just plain stupid.
There’s conflicting stories about it so it’s hard to verify, but apparently the battery thing was a rewrite.
Apparently originally the people plugged into the matrix were meant to be the very hardware the matrix was run on. As in all their brains together formed a literal neural network that provided the processing power to run the matrix. This is then why knowing it’s not real and believing you can do “the impossible” within the matrix can cause you to be able to bend reality. The story goes that executives thought it was too high of a concept for audiences to grasp and demanded the change to the battery explanation to make it simpler to follow.
Yeah, it was changed because someone thought that the explanation scene wouldn’t work if they were holding up a CPU. They forced them to use a battery instead, forever ruining the backstory.
Apparently Neil Gaiman invented that theory but it was never confirmed by the w. brothers
https://screenrant.com/matrix-resurrections-human-batteries-plot-hole-not-fix/
*W. Sisters now.
I’d never heard Neil Gaiman as the origin of that theory. I’d always heard it came from commentary on the DVDs myself. I just don’t own the films. But I guess that’d be the conflicting stories bit right?
I’ve heard this too, but even this has an issue. It’s circular. Why imprison humans so their brains can be used to run the matrix which is designed to imprison them?
Presumably the brain network was performing more than the task of simulation. I.E performing processing tasks for the machines. More humans = more brains = more processing headroom (ha, clever) for more machines.
Yeah I just don’t find that explanation credible at all. The brain is a 40 watt guesswork machine, not a high performance processor. I love the matrix, but it was never built on a solid premise.
It is a work of fiction… If a solid premise means it must adhere to every real world realistic standard, you are going to find every single work of fiction lacking.
I understand. Like I said I still love the films but I think things are even better when they are thought out at more levels. The premise here wasn’t just “we don’t have that technology yet” - it was patently not credible under thermodynamics.
It would make a very apt metaphor for the machines as a social construct, fragments of billions of people’s subconscious thoughts combining to maintain the system that holds them captive.
i mean they kind of go into that in the movies don’t they? The machines didn’t want to completely destroy humanity. So they tried to create the matrix as “The Perfect Prison” for them. Using their own minds to create the very prison to hold them in would fit right into that wouldn’t it?
Their desire to preserve humanity is only touched on in The Animatrix and supplementary materials. It doesn’t even agree well with the primary film trilogy, where they clearly risk “the end of your species” repeatedly, and even in the best case scenario reduce humanity to 24 individuals, which is well below the minimum threshold for a viable gene pool.
I mean it’s been a while since I’ve seen the films but I was under the impression that the whole “end of your species” thing was the last resort after they had tried repeatedly to avoid it. I could very easily be wrong but that was the impression I had gotten even from the films.
That every effort to preserve humanity had been tried prior to this but humanity keeps trying to exterminate the machines. Multiple attempts at containment and refining the matrix as a prison to keep them from destroying the machines and possibly themselves in the process. But that they had reached a point where it was clear that no matter what the machines did humanity would never stop seeking their complete annihilation.
In the broad strokes yes but if preservation really mattered that much to them, they would have adjusted their plan in so many ways. Is it really an existential threat to leave 500 people instead of 24? Do they really need to threaten The One with total extinction to get him to choose to participate in the matrix? That really makes it seem like the matrix is a higher priority to them than human survival: the matrix or nothing.
Yeah, humans would never destroy natural resources in favor of some tech fix or just kinda assume that the planet would fix itself… /s
My headcannon on the human battery thing is that the machines have core programming to make reasonable efforts to preserve human life. Designing power reactors (look how thick the cores are on the towers) with humans slapped to the side technically aligns with the core programming while allowing them to stick it to us apes. It’s also why the attack on Zion was one tentacle abductor machine for each human instead of dumping super plague down the hole and calling it a day.
the trans allegory kicks ass so we can ignore an inconsistency or two
The Matrix is a trans allegory. Living in a cave and eating slop is an allegory for being fired because of transphobia.
Still worth it.
The Matrix is a Rambo 3 remake. Living in a cave and eating slop is an allegory for shooting explosive arrows into a bridge.
Still worth it.
Yeah, but what is the blue pill for?
It lights blue.
I’ve heard this, but, my estradiol is a blue pill? 🤔
Big pharma ruined the metaphor by changing the pill colors.
The blue pill was an antidepressant, the red pill was estrogen.
Also the main villian is a man in a suit who constantly deadnames the protagonist. The matrix is real life.
I wonder if they did it intentionally.
Changing the pill from red to blue basically cost them nothing and served no purpose, but just so happened to ruin the metaphor.
At the time they were red.
It can be interpreted that way. That doesn’t mean that anybody who doesn’t see it that way is wrong.
Its an allegory for the social matrix we all find ourselves in.
It’s an allegory for the fact that through their control of the media, the rich can construct whatever reality they want in the minds of the masses.
Indeed.
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. …We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. …In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons…who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.”
― Edward Bernays, PropagandaWe are controlled through encouraged habits.
I submit that the only antidote to propaganda which is capable of curing whole societies, is the conscious manipulation of one’s own beliefs and perceptions. We must abandon the desire for objective reality, and instead become masters of our personal unrealities. Great responsibility can only be fulfilled with great power. We must become better than we are. We must take hold of the power of unreality for ourselves.
Exactly right. Neo expressed true freedom when Agent Smith, enraged, asks Neo why he keeps fighting, and Neo says “because I choose to”.
Our world is full of people who have been programmed like robots, that don’t examine their programming. Freedom from the Matrix starts with recognizing our programmable nature, and learning to see clearly how it’s exploited by the system. Only then can we begin to program ourselves.
One of the failures of the Soviet Union is that they didn’t deprogram themselves. They defeated capitalism in the material plane, but they remained inside a capitalist consensus reality. Thus, they simply became capitalists.
I believe that a successful socialist revolution requires sorcerery. We must create a socialist multiverse using techniques of mysticism.
yeah I mean that was one of the themes explored in the film
I found a picture of @stenAanden@feddit.dk:
A flying octopus drone has been sent to your location
Just a few extra arms needed
Hoth callingWhat is my purpose?
You move chairs
Red pill side effects include cave raves, bad clothes, and new zionism
Wake up from your shitty fake life into the real world that’s even worse.
Yeah, but what kind of amateur hour distraction fantasy would be worse than real life?
Other than 40k, I mean.
Sometimes I worry about 40k fans. Like “most times I hear about it.”
Same with Fallout fans who are a bit too into the Brotherhood of Steel. “What is it you like about them, exactly? The power armor or the xenophobia?”
Why wouldn’t they have made the simulation awesome for everyone? Of course if you make it shitty some people might start to wonder about battery pod life in the cave.
Iirc in the first movie they say that the 1st version of the matrix was utopia, but the people got bored and rejected the world
That sounds like some capitalist propaganda.
It was also part of a villain speech, so not a reliable narrator.
Given that earlier versions of agents were basically supernatural monsters, I kind of doubt it was much of a utopia.
Right, what are they gonna say. “The first simulation was basically hell where people lived in constant torture, and they didn’t like that so much 🤷”
more like the writers couldn’t think of a better reason imo
If there’s no struggle, people will get bored enough to ask questions or adventurous enough to strain the program.
Or it’s a plothole. I might have seen the matrix twice, and don’t know how tightly designed it is.
It was explained as the first basically in the movie
Yes well it’s an explicit theme of the movie that for better or worse, real is real and fake is fake and there’s no substitute for the truth, however grim it is.
It’s escapism versus reality. I didn’t think The Matrix is far more nuanced than I initially realised.
It’s not about the better option, it’s which one is least worst
So you choose The Matrix? 🤔
Neo decides that uncomfortable knowledge is better than blissful ignorance. I think most adults have had experiences where they wish they could go back to being less informed about the cruelty and brutality of the world and just live in ignorance, but most people don’t get that choice.
Morpheus asks Neo if he wants to live in blissful ignorance (the way Cypher eventually decides to do) or if he wants to deal with the uncomfortable reality. Part of being a computer hacker is that quest for knowledge for no real gain despite the risks.
So, as Cypher made clear, the main draw of the matrix was that he didn’t have to spend his entire life being miserable, with shit to eat, and nothing enjoyable to do. Soo… What about the constructs? If they could simulate people and sensory input with enough fidelity to “learn kungfu”, couldn’t they simulate the experience of a juicy steak? Why, when they weren’t actually spending their time outside the matrix doing much other than sitting in a spaceship, wouldn’t they just spend 6 hours a day in the construct (again, not the matrix, their own simulated construct)? Wouldn’t that have given them all much more practice with breaking the construct of the matrix, and also let them have the nice stuff that the matrix offered, and also knowing that they were the masters of their own destinies? It seems like Morpheus was just a shitty manager, and Cypher was unfulfilled in his job.
Mouse figured that out but Switch was a wet blanket.
I remember his office from the movie. It was not comfy.
He had his own cubicle. Better than any of the “open plan” offices I spent years working in.
That’s the fun part, in that time, cubicles were seen as terrible, dystopian, cheapass things because folks used to have offices, and how much cheaper could it really get than some flimsy modular furniture for you to sit at?
Then the companies gestured to just some tables in a room and said “figure it out, and no assigned seating, so just figure it out each day” to show how cheap and how little regard they have for the employees.
At this rate, I fully expect in the next few years for the next wave in office space optimization:
To be fair he doesn’t even have his monitor on.
I’ve worked in open plan offices my entire 20 year career and I yearn for the cheap fabric covered mines.
…Did Neo have an active social life? Admittedly I haven’t seen the movie in forever, but IIRC he didn’t have much going on other than work and being a hacker.
He followed the white rabbit so he could stand in the corner of a rave.
And then speaks to one girl and promptly falls in love with her.
Well, it definitely would have been easier to build an active social life than to take the red pill.
Yeah but at least I’m part of an armed resistance trying to win back their freedom.
You mean choosing whether to live with purpose or just continue to exist?
If Zion lets me sleep in, then unplug me from the jelly-pod.
