One instance is a coincidence
You have this picture here as one ( we won’t even talk about he made the eagle more Nazi like)
They use a Nazi rune for the stage at the RNC where they proudly post the “joke” that they are domestic terrorists.
Their side is EXCLUSIVELY made up of Holocaust deniers.
Their side is made up of EXCLUSIVELY of this country’s neo Nazis and white supremists
Stephen miller plagiarized Goebbels
Trump kept and read Mein Kampf next to his bed
Trump, Vance, and musk campaign for and donate money to the German AfD party who are KNOWN to be NAZIS
Elon Musk “jokingly” sieg Heiled twice so forcibly that he grunted
They have built, and are still building , concetration camps.
Their new illegal bunker has a, very legal I’m sure, medical research facility in it
They all constantly talk about Eugenics.
They are bringing back public executions
This is all aside from. Their policy decisions. At this point, if I meet you on the street and you say that they ARENT NAZIS, we will have problems
Trump read… bwahahaha thats a good one.
Not how exclusively is used in this context and unfortunately not true with the correct phrasing with Yakubites running around some parts of the DNC
Whoa you found a typo, good job refuting, GENIUS
We must be more critical as a people of political images these days, the hitler image is AI… :/
wanna be temu hilter
How much do you want to bet he studied that exact photo to get the iconography and pose right?
I’m not saying this image is generated, but it is at least a little bit weird that a reverse image search only shows this specific comparison. I even tried Google Images for a “Visual Match” instead of just Tineye, and nothing.
That, and Hitler’s eyes look weird, and the folded Nazi flags in the back look garbled. Circumstantially, it’d be extremely fucking weird if whoever planned this layout put a plant obstructing the view of the symbol on the podium. And what the hell would that cut-off, stark white symbol at the bottom right be?
The image of Hegeseth is real, at the 5 second mark in this video
The image of Hitler may be altered
The image of Hegeseth is real
Sorry, I should’ve been more clear; I was never questioning the Hegseth image.
The image of Hitler may be altered
Generated, not altered. I don’t think this speech footage/image existed at all. The angle is weird along with the other points.
Yeah pretty sure it’s generated. Look at the flags in the background, the black in the centre doesn’t make sense on a lot of them. And the people in the bottom left corner also look strange. Another strange point is the swastika below the eagle: the upper arm seems to be a bit shorter than the others. And the style of the eagle itself looks strange to me, but I’m not a historian, so that is just feeling,not knowledge.
It’s very clearly generated. None of the flags make any sense, there are so many odd things that are AI specific details.
There has to be some image that’s similar to this though.There probably is, but to OPs original question, if you’re going out of your way to find footage of Hitler that matches Kegsbreath, then it probably is a coincidence.
It’s definitely not a good sign when we’re talking about a picture of Hitler being a Nazi is AI generated, but it’s a given that Hegseth being a Nazi is legitimate.
The Swastika is somehow completely flat but the flag is folded. It’s a not real image
It’s definetly slop.
So we’re all going to mass downvote the slop so as to deter further slop, right? Right?
I guess
spreading disinformationdunking on the opponent everyone already hates is more important than standards concerning slop. =.=
The bottom right looks like the top of a heart, it’s a screengrab from a video
When I had the misfortune of travelling in the US one of the many things that were striking to me was the use of fasces in monuments, including engraved in marble on a war monument in Washington Square Park in NYC.
Of course it’s far from the most fascist thing about modern day America, but it was fascinating to see how blunt it is. I’d jump if I saw the same thing in Europe.
I feel like there’s a term for this sort of backwards misattribution of a symbol’s later meaning onto examples which predate their modern connotation, but I can’t think of what it would be. The war memorial you’re referring to was dedicated in 1920. Considering fascism as a political ideology had just started coalescing around Mussolini in Italy circa 1919-1920, it strains credulity to link the two. In a similar fashion, you wouldn’t suggest the presence of swastikas outside a Hindu temple indicates support for Nazism by default.
Fasces have represented the strength of the state dating back to the pre-Roman Etruscan kings. Therefore, seeing it on the national architecture of a Western nation which fancies itself as a descendent of Greek and Roman civilizations shouldn’t be that surprising, nor taken as a tacit endorsement of capital-F “Fascist” ideology. Case in point, do you know what’s prominently featured on the cover of every French passport? It ain’t a baguette, I’ll say that much. Heck, in 1953, France elected to keep the fasces as part of their diplomatic emblem, despite their very recent experiences in WW2 under Fascist rule. If we can give France a pass for continuing to use the symbol after post-war, surely that can extend to a 1920 Revolutionary War memorial in America. Unless every example of nationalism is equivalent to Fascism (and I readily grant that nationalism is a core tenet of that ideology, but allowances should be made for nuance), sometimes a fasces is just a fasces.
All of which is not to say that America is fascism free. Obviously not. Just that the above comment made me roll my eyes when there are so many better examples to cite, like the roving gangs of brownshirts disappearing people into nebulously legal holding centers.
To a degree, fair enough. I hadn’t studied a French passport.
But also, it was always a symbol of the strength of the state through violence. It is fundamentally fascist in nature. When France still embraces it it’s the same France that is currently beating the shit out of schoolchildren and harming them for life for wanting to receive education. Like most western countries France has a huge cultural problem of state violence.
So I still think the historical use of this symbol does not align with pretending fascist ideology is something new in a society. And anyone giving France a pass is not paying attention.
I don’t disagree with you in any particular part, and almost wrote a paragraph clarifying that the swastika and fasces are not 1:1 equivalences specifically because the Nazis divorced the swastika from its original meaning for their own purposes, while the Fascists selected the fasces as their core symbol because of its already established symbolism.
However, you can understand that the circular logic of calling something “fascist” which predates the codification of “Fascism” is doing my head in. If you want to counter that that’s a semantic argument which doesn’t invalidate your point, I tend to agree, with the significant caveat that this entire discussion is semantic in nature, so it’s more relevant than usual.
Long story short, I don’t equate every example of a state using violence to achieve its purpose as fascism, though it’s certainly a necessary ingredient, so I won’t yuck your yums if you do. To me, a war memorial is an appropriate venue for the fasces to appear, given its martial and reflective nature (as in, reflecting on the past), whereas including a fasces as the centerpiece of the nation’s diplomatic emblem is significantly more concerning as a forward looking statement of intent (so to speak).
Yeah, I was a bit on the fence writing my comment without getting into these nuances themselves, so fair game. To me, independently of whether state sanctioned violence can be legitimate, the celebration of it that is inherent to the fasces makes it impossible to distinguish the symbol from the ideology. This is not very surprising considering that the ideology is named after the symbol.
I don’t disagree with your point though. The symbol was in all likelihood not used to mirror the emerging political trends in Europe, but as a symbol in its own right. But nevertheless I maintain that any main that carved fasces into marble a hundred years ago cannot legitimately claim fascism to be a foreign ideology.
Oh. If it always has been, then why fight it
If you’re diagnosed with cancer, or a rare genetic condition, would you sit and wait to die?
Well, when you are american…
Nah, here in America if you have a fatal disease or become crippled physically and you sit there half the nation will call you lazy for not getting on your feet 18 hours a day to work for slave wages, not even making a dent in your cost of living, not able to even get treated still.
The genetic condition is the better analogy than cancer. Cancer develops you’re not born with it.
What the USA is doing right now is unique to her history and it does the gravity of what’s happening a disservice to pretend otherwise.
Just because he idolizes the nazi military doesn’t mean he’s a nazi. He is of course. But that’s not why, everything else he does is why.
Nazis were a lot more competent and did drugs that improved their performance (in the short term)
Honestly the Nazis were not this Uber competent group. Tons of in-fighting, poor strategic and logistical choices, and they did not run the government nor country in this rigid orderly way that is and was projected by their propaganda.
I would say they had a very good propaganda campaign that’s still ongoing and paying dividends. Once you look under the surface some and start learning more about how the country was governed it becomes clear there was plenty of room for improvement.
I mean, think about it this way, they chose to commit an industrial genocide on a hellacious scale wasting men, material and destroying the soul of a nation. How much more manpower would they have had if they didn’t commit these crimes against humanity and instead had drafted these folks.
Like I know it’s not a great comparison or awesome though experiment and lacking any nuance but I think it makes a point.
Nazi economy was dependant on war. Their propaganda that Nazis have fixed the economy was so good that it lasts to this day. While the person responsible for it was ingenious his policies went all against at the time rules of economy and for a reason. It was just masking the problem which could be hidden only as long as there was war. In defense of the economist it was not his plan unlike other nazi’s to expand the war, but to stop pretty early compared to what happened. I would love to answer any questions but even after spending 90 minutes on a 30 minute video I was not able to understand it completely.
The German economy under the fucking Nazis was a Ponzi scheme and the German worker was earning less than the incomes from late 1920’s. That is f’ed up and MAGA continues to guzzle down their Orange Kool-Aid.
Yes, they controlled inflation by controlling unions and ceiling prices.
There’s a reason the regime collapsed in less than a decade.
yeahhhhh but just barely, hitler was just ass much of a fucking nut-job as trump… he advised his generals to read less sun tzu and more karl may; a children’s book author, who wrote stories about cowboys and indians, who had never even visited the US.
this would be like trump telling hegseth to read more harry potter to figure out how to strategize better in the straight of hormuz…
fascists are always incompetent, because they are fucking clowns…
I remember back when Cracked was good a writer doing a number of articles aiming to dispel the “mystique” of the Nazis as some sort of genius-level evil and expose their incompetence. Iirc, documents have shown that the Nazis would’ve imploded on their own due to their own idiocy.
Growing up I heard all this “the German people are the smartest people in the world and Hitler was able to pursuade them through his charisma to create this insurmountable enemy that we were blessed and lucky to defeat…” Hitler won mostly through election interference and their own bloviating stupidity was a key factor in their downfall. Fascists are stupid. Deadly and dangerous, yes. But ultimately really stupid and we need to not allow any mystique saying otherwise to crop up. Fascism always fails. It hurts a lot of people in the meantime. But it will always fail.
Ahh , so that’s what the testosterone is all about.
Symbols are for the symbol minded - George Carlin
The thing that makes this regime similar to the Nazis isn’t the way they draw eagles.
It’s a coincidence that someone ai sloped a pic of hitler to look like keggy boy?
Department of war
The new name is oddly truthful, really not in line with their common stance on truth.
for being a ‘department of war’, one would think they’d actually be good at it.
Yeah, but the mask is now off, the bar is lowered.
Interestingly “ministry of war” used to be quite frequent names for these institutions. The “defense” euphemism only came later in many countries. Austria-Hungary also had a “Kriegsministerium” (“war ministry”). It also had a much more badass double headed eagle bolted onto the building. Well, the building still has, after the country started a big war that was also the last thing that ministry did.
I mean, I get and like the honesty. But keep in mind the administration that’s doing this; it’s different when a fascist country says “ministry of war” from when, say, a country like New Zealand or some other innocuous country like Norway or Portugal or current day Japan.
When the current fascist-US admin says they’re going to be ultra aggressive, they not only end up being ultra aggressive, but they end up being ultra ultra aggressive and fascist.
I get your point, but Austro-Hungary started WW1, not nothing either. The reason I was mentioning it is that the US might just as well be in its late days imperialism. One of these wars might actually end the days of US Empire.
Will end the days of US empire. That’s the plan.
trump is not your typical fascist strongman. He is an intentionally destructive force, sent in to make the country insolvent and unmanageable. So the old structure can be saddled with the debt of the people and organizations that are destroying it, and its physical resources can be parted-out.
Rear-echelon motherfucker wants to wear Hugo Boss. And maybe something he can’t take off.
It is ironic that his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it. Anyway, he’s not smart enough to be a very successful villain, hope to see him removed soon
They love to force suffering on others.
It’s like a pressure release valve for them. When they make others suffer it slightly lessens their own terror for a moment.
Whatever bullshit they have to say or do, incantations, prayers, dumb hats, whatever to get to the part where millions suffer, they’ll do it.
Hitler hated the communists, but sided with the Soviet Union until attacking them was his next step.
I don’t think this is the case here, but these people are like children playing villains for as long as their power allows them
his flavour of fascism includes adoring israel not hating it
Obviously for money, for that country is one of the largest purchasers of US military equipment.
Yes… Nazis, they’re all Nazis…
Goldberg fallacy in full effect.
American fascism was a huge inspiration for German fascists.
E.g. Bellamy salute
That wasn’t what the Nazis took as inspiration, so much as Jim Crow laws, and the extermination of indigenous peoples.
Lebensraum was just Manifest Destiny for Germans.
I’m not familiar with the Goldberg fallacy and a quick google search failed me. What does it mean?
Maybe they meant Godwin’s law but now it is a fallacy because they really are nazis
The new Wolfenstein looks like shit.
RAM prices
Hegseth is just a greasy bitch though. He is no leader.
In fairness, Hitler was a greasy little bitch too.
But he was a greasy little bitch who could inspire with words.
You don’t find:
No fatties, no trannies, no beardos, no weirdos, no wimps, no radicals.
To be inspiring? 🙈
Look, I could shit out a more inspiring speech after a night of heavy drinking. The fact that he repeated parts of it tells me he thinks it’s clever… Which, although I didn’t think it possible, does make me somehow think less of him.
How is it possible to be not just demoralized but also negatively inspiring?
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