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Guess we’re all gonna ignore all the drama about LTT from last year?
Saying he’s the one who breaks is an understatement.
The one who steals prototype liquid coolers, fucks up installation, and slanders their manufacturers
Oh yeah, and disallowing employees from discussing their income, I think was another one.
Lots of anti-union behavior.
Im very happy to see people aren’t downplaying what a shitty guy he is here.
Like the way you treat your employees and the people you work with is shit that actually matters.
I don’t give a shit if someone is clumsy for entertainment, I give a shit when their workspace is a good ol boys club, sweatshop, and then when they decide to threaten a defamation lawsuit against a former female employee they brought in under very suspect circumstances in the first place all because they couldn’t find evidence within their company they admit has an awful HR department.
Just a fucking mess, and I hate that shitty people just succeed nowadays.
“brought in under suspect circumstances”
Genuinely curious at what you’re hinting at here. I thought I was fairly familiar with the story, but I thought that employee was mostly brought in because she was popular with viewers, is there something more sinister there too?
Its been a while so my memory is hazy, but basically, she recently lost her support systems and was brought to a new country where she basically couldn’t afford to lose that job. This adds a lot of context to her statements after when combined with other details about the company. Hopefully someone else remembers better, because Im sure there was something more sketchy about it Im failing to remember.
Madison’s thread detailing the whole thing is available here if you want to refresh your memory, but the TLDR is that, at least as of 2-3 years ago, LTT maintained a sweatshop production pace, was a hostile workplace in several dimensions, and executed a rugpull on Madison in terms of permitting and supporting her independent efforts in a way that created a practically textbook claim of promissory estoppel.
In the wake of the blowup, Linus and LTT more generally did make a lot of appropriately sorrowful noises and promised to do better, and I suppose it’s possible that they have done so, but I don’t really consume their content and TBH haven’t bothered to check.
That’s what most people took away from the drama. No one looked into it later to find out was made up because that’s no longer interesting. As is usually the case with Internet drama.
(Emails eventually came out showing Billet Labs told them to keep the cooler, and then lied about it)
(Emails eventually came out showing Billet Labs told them to keep the cooler, and then lied about it)
Which is why LTT made a monetized apology video saying it was an accident and they had intended to return it, right? A video in which they leaked a private phone number related to Billet Labs, might I add.
The person you responded to provided a simplified explanation. You, on the other hand, have provided one that is false.
Billet Labs initially stated that they could keep it, yes, but after the ridiculous, defamatory review performed on the entirely wrong hardware, they requested it back, which LMG agreed to provide prior to selling it at auction.
Yes, once Billet changed their mind after not liking the review, they mistakenly sold it and paid them back.
What are you saying was made up?
Billet gave them the prototype because they thought they were going to make use of it. They installed it wrong/on the wrong card and then shat all over the product. Billet asked for it back if they weren’t planning on using it further as it was an expensive prototype and they agreed.
As much as I don’t like LMG, I’d still suffer one of their videos if it had Torvalds in it just out of plain interest
Edit: seems my comment is being misunderstood - I know their collab video is happening, I’m saying that’s why I’ll watch it when it comes out despite not being a huge LMG viewer anymore
Well you’re in luck, that should be coming soon.
LTT literal just did that video tho?
What was the drama?
There were kinda three separate things that rolled together, mind you, I’m not especially in the know about any of them, so hopefully others can expand
- the auctioned something that was supposed to be a small company’s prototype water block or something, it wasn’t theirs to sell
- they started making too many errors in their rush to do large scale testing and when people make decisions based on the incorrect info you’re putting out thats not great
- there was an employee who used to work at LTT after being a fan who they built a PC for (maddison, I think?). When the other two items above were brought up by gamer’s nexus and it turned into a whole situation where people were being critical of LTT, she shared that she had an absolutely horrible experience working there, crazy crunch time, I think there was sexual harassment or something, I don’t recall all the details. She explained she didn’t share it sooner because she expected people would just turn on her for criticizing LTT and it makes sense she would feel more able to share if people seem like they might be more receptive to criticism of a huge channel like that
The first two that were brought up in an bombshell gamer’s nexus video were, imo, handled very poorly (EDIT: I should clarify, I meant the initial first reseponse), though again, I don’t remember details (about the very first response I think I remember not being great, or otherwise 😅)
The last item I’m honestly not sure how it panned out but my impression is that nothing really happened with it. LTT was gonna transfer CEO to being a new guy with Linus being more of a face and direction guy, and the new CEO guy I think was the one who had an outside investigation of some kind conducted. I don’t think there was ever an update about that investigation? I dunno. I didn’t watch much before the whole situation and just kinda stopped watching when the initial criticism from gamer’s nexus was poorly handled
IIRC for the third item, the ex-employee who threw those accusations around turned out to be exaggerating things - but there was a whole ass investigation and Linus did step down as CEO, handing the reins over to a new guy who was literally brought in to fix these things (although to be fair I had the feeling that Linus has been wanting to step back for a while and this gave him an out).
Mind you I’m not saying that there weren’t problems (any company that scales as much as LMG did in the past few years will have issues), but that the issues presented to the public by the disgruntled employee were heavily exaggerated.
This is true, but the CEO change had nothing to do with it. It was already happening before any of the drama, due to Linus wanting to have more time for making videos instead of having to manage the company.
I think maybe we should stop short of saying we know for a fact what did or didn’t happen with her. An outside investigation does absolutely help, and hopefully if anything was wrong it has now been rectified.
But there are lots of ways that companies can clear their names, and bringing in a company to do an investigation could either be done in good faith, or be a very effective way of cleaning up an enormous PR mess.
I think we should be warry of making snap calls about who was factually in the right in these kinds of situations unless there’s hard evidence available to us. Often these situations are about our gut feeling of what happened, and our gut feeling isn’t objective. And getting it wrong in either direction has the potential to be enormously damaging (though in this case I believe there was no specific alleged perpetrator for the allegations like sexual harassment)
I feel this is one of those situations where nuance and being okay with not knowing exactly what happened is important. Though perhaps you know more facts about the situation than I do, and have more concrete reason to believe it was highly exaggerated
Thank you, it’s refreshing to see someone adopt a sober mind about the situation. It’s been a minefield of sweeping conclusions from incomplete information.
I understand that parasocial relationships make it difficult to be objective but frankly establishing facts in an employment dispute ex post facto is a dubious endeavor.
I’m glad its appreciated ☺️
Love your username! Hope you have a lovely day my friend
Wasn’t the Linus being replaced as CEO thing planned several years ago? I remember there being a video
They did acknowledge #1 and #2 as mistakes, miscommunication and growing pains and vowed to do better. I think it was a bit overblown and handled in bad faith by GN‘s reporting. Not that that’s an excuse but imo they did their best to rectify that situation. The reporting has been more accurate and bo other scandal of this type has happened, so far. The investigation about the working conditions and sexual harassment concluded those allegations were „unfounded and unfair“, to use LMG’s words. They did not get into details and it is a he-said/she-said situation. It’s anyone’s guess what/whom to believe.
I think, all in all, Linus stepping back from the CEO position (which, to be clear, he did a little while before those problems came to light) improved upon most, if not all of the problems, as far as I can tell. I do still watch LTT on occasion but less so. Primarily though, because both, my interests changed as did their content.I stopped watching Tech Jesus videos because of their handling of the LTT drama
He treated his “investigation” as if he was going after a big hardware company instead of a direct competitor in his space. It left a very bad taste in my mouth. Not to mention when LTT did implement changes and begin improving did he acknowledge after his insane takedown?
Thats very fair, I vaguely recalled there was some initial handling of the issue that wasn’t great or something, and that was what I was talking about. I’m glad to hear the longer term response has been a lot better! (Assuming I’m even remembering correctly that the initial handling was crummy)
Thank you for adding more info and context!
Most of those are 2 to 3 years ago now though. A lot of that was during and immediately post covid. I’m not up on anything major in the last year. Though they did just recently have a bunch of their regulars break away. It seems amicable however. And a result of the new CEO and CEO decisions rubbing against the grain of the previous very bro centered culture of the crew. Not as professional as they could have been etc.
Heck all that happened before even Emily left. And she put out that video explaining her departure in January.
I don’t really watch LTT, but I think they we’re pretty bad when explaining why they didn’t make more fuzz about Honey stealing commissions when LTT found out.
The explanation made sense to me. They found Honey was stealing from creators, but still saving money for users, so it would be very self-serving to make a fuss about it, instead they only let other creators know. From the users point of view it was still a great product (from what was known at the time).
toxic working conditions and sexual harassment (this article also mentions them doing sloppy reviewing that led to misleading videos, which is bad but imo nowhere near as bad as the rest, i kinda wish the article didn’t focus so much on it)
i also remember linus saying he’d refuse to let his workers unionize, saying it would “make him feel like a bad boss”
and he’s also said that floatplane (their video streaming app) would let anyone join no matter their politics, up to and including nazis, because “free speech”
LMG claims that an investigation by a third party found the allegations of toxic work conditions and sexual misconduct as „unfounded and unfair“. It’s of course anyone’s guess what the reality looks like.
They definitely have improved their reviews and seem much less error prone these days.That union thing is bullshit tho. Linus never claimed he would refuse to let his workers unionise (in fact, iirc, he couldn’t even legally do so in Canada), he just (repeatedly) stated, that he’d see it as a failure on his and his company’s side, if his employees felt the need to unionise in the first place. That’s a big difference.
Can’t say anything to that part as I do not remember it. But I personally believe it to be a non-issue until there’s precedent. Politically, Linus generally seems to be fairly sane. He’s openly a huge fan of Lina Khan, for example and has openly critcised the current US-administration a number of times.
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The drama was so minor 99.99% no longer care
The Linus in Linus Tech Tips is an awful guy
Is he even very tech savvy? Like IIRC he tried to install a Linux Desktop once. And on installing steam he went ahead with the terminal prompts that were warning him whatever weird command he did was going to nuke his desktop environment.
That case was a legitimate bug in the specific PopOS version he was using
It was bad luck on every side. Mostly because pop doesn’t update packages during install
Yeah, but he could have read the messages lol
yeah, though he is used to windows warning with every program install that it might break the pc so ignoring a warning isn’t THAT unexpected
The weird command was sudo apt install steam pretty much IIRC
He should’ve read the message, but it also shouldn’t have uninstalled his desktop environment, that should be a very damn safe command to run if we want Linux to be mainstream on the desktop. Sucks that a package dependency error like this managed to make it through QA.
This.
The Pop_os team accepted that behaviour (installing steam uninstalls the DE) as a bug and it was fixed subsequently.
They also fixed the whole thing with the error message to make it more difficult to accidentally delete critical system components by installing software entirely unrelated to said system component.
@squaresinger @boonhet typical apt…
It kinda is, isn’t it? Apt isn’t super stable.
@squaresinger but it stable trying remove unrelated software when installing steam or 32-bit software. Installing steam caused DE removal even more then ten years ago
It isn’t super stable, but it has super cow powers!
I like Zypper. When there’s a conflict, Zypper tells me I can keep obsolete packages, or break the system, or uninstall something. I’ve yet to nuke my system with Zypper, despite there often being conflicts.
Of course since I use OpenSuSE (Tumbleweed), it also has btrfs with snapshots enabled by default. So while I haven’t nuked the system because of anything like that, there’s been one or two times when a nvidia driver update among the other packages nuked my GUI. So I just went and loaded a previous snapshot, and tried updating again later.
I’ve used other cool package managers (heheheh Portage), but I think Zypper is the most user-friendly
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Off topic, but System76 is super lucky to have Jeremy Soller. Not because he fixed this particular bug, but because he’s an amazing engineer in general, and also brings visibility to the project because his name is attached to RedoxOS, currently the most fleshed-out OS kernel written in Rust.
I hope they treat him well enough to keep him around for a long time.
His voice is like a electric drill with a broken bit in my ear.
I watched the Steam Frame VR headset video of his, after not watching for a long time.
His voice was grating, sure, but the overall delivery was so much worse. He was like a cartoon character that couldn’t decide if they were doing an advertisement or a school report.
That’s the style that gets clicks on Youtube unfortunately.
I remember when Valve first introduced the Steam Deck, there were several youtubers present to film content about the Steam Deck for their own channels, and LTTs Linus was audible in all of them, he was that goddamn loud.
There can be only one!
Lmao which video is this from?
Just a screenshot ltt posted with the announcement, I assume it’ll be in the collab vid
A floatplane BTS video about the Linus episode
xD 😍 😅
The difference is the things they drop.
One drops well deserved rants and ass-chewings.
The other drops expensive equipment.
The one who makes
That annoying cunt
The problem with this is that it gives legitimacy to an idiot YouTuber who has gone out of their way to discourage new Linux users.
And nevermind all the other garbage from LTT
Uhh, he promotes Linux at every step? You are free to dislike him and his content, but he’s absolutely a force for Linux adoption.
From what I remember it went like this, but I stopped following his crap years ago
- sees an error message, doesn’t read it
- starts pasting random shit into the terminal
- breaks the system
- Fuck Linux, it’s not ready for use
- after the Linux community has a meltdown, someone points out to him that he’s an idiot, but in a gentle way you’d tell your boss
- tries again, gives up again
- films another video on how windblows just works, while he, a certifiable tech genius, couldn’t get it to work
Truly “a force for Linux adoption”.
I rewatched the series finale now, and his conclusion seems as I remembered:
- He had great experiences gaming on Linux
- His kids used it too without problems
- “freaking amazing”
- “totally stable, no crashes”, he was playing multiplayer with a friend a lot
- Remote Play Together from Steam works great too
- He learned a lot, will give it another go in the future
- But it’s not for him yet as a big VR lover
- He really wants Linux to succeed because he hates the Microsoft monopoly
He didn’t even bring up his issue in the conclusion. If you can timestamp any “fuck Linux”, I would love to see it, because I really doubt he ever said that.
That being said, while it’s obviously his fault for ignoring warninigs, it’s ridiculous something as basic as installing Steam got him into that situation in the first place, it’s pop os’s fault for shipping a broken package. And yeah, things like that really don’t happen on Windows.
Isn’t he an investor in Framework?
He is a time poor impatient person. That is something linux will need to address for wider adoption.
I would argue that their example resulted in some very wide ranging changes in approach that was long overdue.
Linux was at risk of becoming an “OS for us” instead of a true replacement for everyone.
I suspect if they repeat the challange today, it would be a night and day difference.
Yeah exactly, same reason I stepped off of linux. I don’t have the time to fix shit and it works with minimal effort is something I need.
I will switch as soom as it there and I am glad that people are willing to pay the time tax for now so that we have good adoption in the future. It just isn’t for me and I think Linus is the same.
Bazzite was the breakthrough for me. All my stuff just worked. Only 2 things I had to fix was
1.adding 5.1 audio over Spdif, which was a single ostree command to make it permanent.
- Installing Proton-GE for one of my games that does not do well under normal proton.
Took about an hour to research and fix both.
I had tried to covert 4 times in the 5 years before. Ubuntu, linux mint and endevourOS would not play well with my hardware in years past.
I suspect if they repeat the challange today, it would be a night and day difference.
The whole reason it broke for him in the first place was due to a bug in PopOS, so yes.
I very much so enjoyed their content where they attempted Linux only for 30 days straight. They documented their successes, struggles, and roadblocks. I think they did two different attempts, the first time they didn’t recommend it and the second time they did. I might be misremembering the first attempt.
They only did one?
I thought they did it once and then tried it again like a year or two later or something.
Then he’s changed his tune. I haven’t watched him for years at this point when I realized how technologically inept they are. I’m thinking specifically of the storage server video.
My favorite LTT nonsense was when he said ad blockers are piracy
He honestly did a great service for linux in getting them to really start improving the user experience for the not so computer people. Something that is necessary if Linux ever wants widespread adoption
He honestly did a great service for linux in getting them to really start improving the user experience
All he did was make the maintainers of apt realize they need to account for the lowest common denominator. As in, really stupid people like Linus Sebastian who can’t read. No one else had that problem.
Attitudes like this are what hold back linux’s potential.
Hardly, Linux adoption has been going up steadily for many years, and it’s accelerating. And for reasons completely different than this.
Yeah he’s right that it is just not feasible for most regular users; at least without a relative who can help them figure it out and fix problems
There are two wolves inside of your computer
My wolf is autistic and wants to play commander keen.
Both are hungry.
Linus vs lie-nus
Both can be very rude to people around them (from what is visible in public). I wouldn’t want either of them as my boss. Apart from that, both have their ways to entertain; I don’t mean by displaying bad behaviour to people; that is no entertainment I enjoy.
Sure, but one is rude to people that deliver bad work to him, the other is rude to people that don’t accept his bad work from him.
Absolutely, thx for clarifying (:
I image it will be like having Gordon Ramsay as a boss.
The one who takes
Small companies’ prototype GPU coolers and auctions them off without permission
Posted this to someone else here, so I’ll just copy that post:
You are of course talking about the Billet Labs prototype they has been told they could keep, but Billet Labs changed their mind after the video (valid, since LTT did fuck that video up), but a mistake was made by someone in logistics at LTT so it wasn’t put aside for return as it should.
And when it got known by LTT that it had happened, they first offered to get the prototype back from the person who bought it, which Billet Labs said no to, then offered to pay them back the cost of the prototype.
Is that what you mean by “steals”
but a mistake was made by someone in logistics at LTT so it wasn’t put aside for return as it should.
And was subsequently sold, without Billet Labs’ permission. What did I say that was incorrect?
And because one employee made a mistake, dozens were laid off.
I love Gamers Nexus, but that coverage got so many people fucked. Perhaps it shouldn’t have been AS negative as it was.
What happened now?
They collabed.
Are you joking…? I didn’t find anything online 😅
He dropped it in the WAN show I don’t think the video is out yet. No idea where that screenahot is from.
The video has been recorded, but is not out yet. Linus talked about it on the latest WAN show and on social media.
There’s a bts video on floatplane already
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I think it’s just that LTT drops everything he touches lol
That’s not how you spell “steals”.
You are of course talking about the Billet Labs prototype they has been told they could keep, but Billet Labs changed their mind after the video (valid, since LTT did fuck that video up), but a mistake was made by someone in logistics at LTT so it wasn’t put aside for return as it should.
And when it got known by LTT that it had happened, they first offered to get the prototype back from the person who bought it, which Billet Labs said no to, then offered to pay them back the cost of the prototype.
Is that what you mean by “steals”
That’s not the story Billet told.
I’m on my phone now, so I don’t have the links, but if you find Billet Labs reddit account and check their comments from around when this all happened, you will find a couple of comments where they admit they only asked for it back after the video, and that LTT offered to get it back for them.
The rest (why it wasn’t sent back) is from a wan shows from the same period.
What did he steal?
YES, DO AS I SAY
Why it broken >:(
Make: command not foundCapitalization is important on UNIX!
