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    If we manage to escape the trump dictatorship, every soldier involved needs to be court-martialed and sentenced for following illegal orders.

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      This made me laugh. This is the same shit we’ve been doing for 100 years. “Illegal orders” aren’t a thing when you use your imperial military to do imperialism. The last time we had a President that wasn’t a war criminal was never.

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        Yeah this is more like a return to the norm, just more blatant and overt. And even earlier than 100 years, before America was strong enough to reach out into the world and do this to other countries, it was manifest destiny against the indigenous. You won’t find a corner of this planet unmolested by American imperialism, and the hardest hit are still problems that persist to this day.

        Whether it’s the Panama Canal, the Monroe doctrine, the Banana republics, or atrocities in Vietnam and Cambodia and Laos. Intervening in civil wars and conflicts that would eventually create Taiwan and South Korea and Israel as American vassal states built with the purpose of serving American interests. Fomenting a coup in Iran over oil which would usher in the Iranian revolution, or smashing Iraq which created a power vacuum for isis to form. Wherever and whenever America reaches out into the world, death and destruction will typically follow. And if it isn’t leaving a shattered and broken state for whoever is left to pick up the pieces, then it’s funding and arming one side of a war to create a satellite state to enrich itself which leaves a conflict ready to reignite at any moment.

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      FYI US soldiers involved in illegal orders in the USA are almost never court-martialed or even put on trial. The only one I can think of actually being convicted is the Mai Lai massacre way back in 1968. The US has become consistently more brazen in its flaunting of international law regarding war crimes and any policing of its armed forces through subsequent administrations since.

      In fact its very rare for US troops or even military contractors brazenly ignoring orders and committing war crimes to even be put on trial, let alone be convicted. The most recent incident I can think of is the four Blackwater contractors during ‘Operation Iraqi Freedom’ that massacred 17 unarmed Iraqi civilians and injured 20 in Baghdad city. There was such overwhelming evidence in the case that they were convicted by a US court of murder (one member) and manslaughter (the other three) in 2014.

      Even that was an unacceptable level of accountability for the Republicans, so Trump gave them all presidential pardons in his first term in 2020.

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        They don’t even prosecute foreign war criminals, much less their own. US Nuremberg trails had a <0.2% conviction rate for identified war criminals lol. Less than 1% of “major war criminals”.

        Criminal cops are paid instead of convicted.

        There is 0 hope for any justice at all for these people unless the entire US government gets overthrown or something just as drastic.

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      The USA has done this many times (captured or even murdered heads of state, and anyone else they wish to), there has never been a court martial and nobody has ever been punished.

      If you know of any exceptions, please share.

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      You could march them in fucking shackles to the Hague and they would just handwave them away. Nobody is coming to fucking save us, and the sooner people wake the fuck up and realize that, the sooner we can start organizing valuable and competent community defense networks.

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      This never happened in US history and I don’t think americans have the spine to do anything even remotely close to this.

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      The amount of people who voted republican completely obliterates the tiny fraction of people who abstained from voting democrat. How about directing focus where it’s relevant?

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        The amount of people who sat home on voting day outweighs both republican and democrat voters. Apathy won the last presidential election, just like every election in recent memory.

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            Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect

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              Encouraging more democratic leaning voters would’ve made a difference however, you don’t have to assume linear proportional effect

              Which is exactly the job of the Democrat Party leaders, which is done via amongst other things offering potential voters the things they desire and assuaging their concerns, things which are clearly not “Unwavering support of Israel and its Genocide”, “Do whatever is good for Finance and Tech-bros” or “Supporting the Cheney family, legacy and political ideology”.

              The people with by far the most power to convince leftwing leaning non-voters to vote for the Democrat Party were the Democrat Party leaders and they, with all that power they had, actually did the very opposite of trying to cater to the desires and concerns of such non-voters.

              Yet around here whenever american politics pops up as a subject we get a rabid pack of mindless useful idiots blaming non-voters literally for not convincing themselves to vote for a party whose leaders activelly tried to reject them, never blaming those fucking leaders for activelly rejecting said potential voters.

              Fuck the subservient, bootlicking Democrat Party tribalists who keep on excusing the profound incompetence and greed of their tribe’s “chiefs” and parroting the DNC propaganda line that pushes the blame to non-voters rather than accept that the blame for a fucking monster like Trump having been elected a second time is overwhelmingly of the DNC and the rest of the Democrat Party leadership who once again chose to “stay pretty close but just below” in the Evil scales from the Republicans

              Maybe it’s not so obvious for those living inside America and its Politics, but from the outside it’s obvious that both of Trump’s presidential election victories are the end product of decades of the Democrat Party leadership getting away with representing ever fewer people whilst relying on a “vote lesser evil” strategy, all of which supported by the very same useful idiots who now, once again, come out relentlessly parroting the “everybody but ourselves is to blame” mindless bullshit that only an acephalic tribalist muppet would believe.

              It is fucking obvious for anybody who knows just a bit of World History that Trump or somebody like him was bound to be elected sooner or later in the US when the strategy of the competing political force there was nothing more than invariably sidding with the handful of moneyed elites just limited by the need to stay just one step below in the Ladder of Evil from the other political force.

              So enjoy the Fall Of The Empire you created for yourselves (by supporting a “Greater Evil” vs “Lesser evil” political power structure) and for the other 340 million people over there, whilst the rest of us batters the hatches and endures the side effects of the “Empire overextending itself militarily whilst the homeland becomes ever empoverished and authoritarian” phase of such Fall until America fizzles in power (if you’re lucky) or breaks up.

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        yeah but then how could libs feel smugly superior?

        they’d rather blame the tiny fraction of people with principles rather than the third of the country that is actively fascist, because politically, they’re closer to the fascists

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          I’d hardly take criticism from so called leftists regarding smugness.

          Blaming “liberals” for not voting on “principle” (re: ego) while they sit on their asses telling everyone else to form an armed rebellion instead certainly aren’t smug bastards themselves.

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          Because they are the ones that knew but chose to play some bullshit game instead of putting their shit aside for the reality they knew was there but just made them feel uncomfortable.

          Its actually way worse in that way then the republicans who are nearly impossible to blame as they were and some still are totally convinced a fantasy reality was actually there at that time and can’t be held as accountable by blaming as much as they see it as a personal attack and it vindicates them if not put in language they understand.

          Tell the republicans to fuck themselves and it helps to remind them they’re supporting a pedo and a warmongerer. Hold them accountable with specifics actions he’s done against them and why its bad. Not a general you shouldn’t have voted for him because fantasyland reasoning

          You have to do their thinking for them entirely I’m learning, its like drugs, theyre addicted to people thinking for them, have to get them a healthy alternative to give time for some critical thinking to develop so that they can fend for themselves but not before that happens

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            play some bullshit game

            Oh I know this one, its the two party system pretending to be a democracy right?

            But I am things are bad because the wrong team is in power, and if they turn out to be great it is all due to the brave right team. But hey good thing you are there to “do their thinking for them entirely”!

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              Jesus your contextual reading needs work

              Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.

              You need therapy and a fucking wake up call. This is reality not some ideological victimhood posturing contest. The two party system controlled by the media and the monetary powers that be run this shitshow (along with Russian gov misinformation campaigning and other fucking useful idiots)

              So spelled out. It was not a good time to take that fight and were all getting fucked up now because you fucked up your turn.

              Figure if they come for you, your family or a loved one and send them to some hellhole that might that might help you understand that. But have fun winning your “The world has to work how I want it before I participate” award. Wasn’t worth it IMO.

              Learn to play the actual game or get fucked by those that already do. Good fucking luck next turn. Do not fuck up this one

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                Fox news ONN types need they’re thinking done for them.

                And you see no issues with this statement? You need the wake up call, you live in a hellscape that is actively making the world worse and just assume I do too. You and your american exceptionalism can go to hell. The best time to fight was before and the next best time is now.

                Please do the world a favor and ether fix your shit nation or collapse already.

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                You need therapy

                What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results?

                Well, I’ve been voting “blue no matter who” for damn near 30 years now, and shit has not changed for the better. Society has changed for the better in some ways, but that is not being represented in our government.

                I’m starting to think my vote for Nader was the sanest thing I’ve ever done in my civic life.

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          Republican voters voted for this. Non-voters didn’t vote, hence the name. I can’t believe I have to tell you this. Even if there wasn’t a single non-voter, nothing would’ve changed. Try directing your douchebag attitude towards those who are actually responsible.

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            I agree that saying “non-voters voted for” anything is basically absurd, but people sitting on the couch rather than voting did affect the outcome of the 2024 election. A bit over three million fewer people voted in 2024 than 2020.

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              Yes, the second and first most voted elections in your nations history. Clearly it is the small number of voters that are not supportive of the only two options at fault.

              Managed democracy is meant to be a joke, but the real joke is the attitude on display from americans that somehow still think they live in a democracy.

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            Republicans by and large know what they voted for. Protest-non-voters need to be informed what they in fact voted for, as you demonstrate.

            Ah yes see you’re looking to assign responsiblity. Again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for.

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            Non voters voted for this by virtue of being too stupid to know how our system works. They deserve responsibility.

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            Every non-voter was fine with this outcome because they couldn’t sack up and make the less bad choice. If you see a car coming towards a child in the road and do nothing you are still partly responsible if they get hit. They allowed it to happen through their inaction.

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          But the moral prohibition on siding with any administration that endorses genocide will force a different flavor of the exact same logic that centrist liberalism has depended on for so long: hold your nose and align with the least worst thing. Only the least worst thing will no longer be the mild, ethics-agnostic emptiness of modern Western liberalism, nor will it be the multitude of barbaric authoritarians and their secret prisons. It will be communal solidarity, or else nothing, a walking away from all of this. Countless otherwise pragmatic people who would in any other circumstance choose liberalism by default will instead decide none of this is worth the damage to one’s soul. They will instead support no one, vote for no one, wash their hands of any ordering of the world that results in choices no better than this. And the obvious centrist refrain—But do you want the deranged right wing to win?—should, after even a moment of self-reflection, yield to a far more important question: How empty does your message have to be for a deranged right wing to even have a chance of winning? Of all the epitaphs that may one day be written on the gravestone of Western liberalism, the most damning is this: Faced off against a nihilistic, endlessly cruel manifestation of conservatism, and somehow managed to make it close.

          — Omar El-Akkad, One Day Everyone Will Have Always Been Against This, correction mine

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            That argument works when the difference is small.

            That argument doesn’t work when one option is a cataclysmic disaster

            But most importantly - when you look at what policies that Trump voters said they voted for, you could divide that into a fraction of voters voting for evil (plain stupid racists), and a large fraction voting for something positive which they had been told Trump would deliver - yet which he was objectively worse at. Most people voted Trump for the economy while told he was a great businessman, or for healthcare while told he’d make health insurance more affordable (but now he made it less), etc…

            Almost every positive impact in the last decades that his voters attributed to him was delivered by his opposition.

            This wasn’t an election lost to attrition. Your quote explains nothing about what happened.

            There was more votes than ever. It was lost to propaganda and people being idiots, not seeing through the fraud. Trump’s policies lost every poll when names were taken off. Everything he wanted to do kept being rejected. But the propaganda machine made people distrust the people who delivered all the things they said they were grateful for, and to trust the liar instead.

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              Implying that a Harris/second Biden administration wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster

              Implying that any outcome where AmeriKKKa continues to exist and destroy our world wouldn’t be a cataclysmic disaster

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                If you can not understand a difference in scale then your school years was a cataclysmic disaster

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                  Maybe they went to an Arkansas school, or any other american one that teaches people to only support the terrible system.

                  But hey! You voted right so you can be smug and its only fair you get to point your impotent rage at those who did not vote the way you did. And next time when the two parties are both somehow worse you can once again vote for the lesser evil!

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          There’s been polling analysis that showed if you forced everyone to vote then Harris would have lost to Trump by an even bigger margin due to the unpopularity of the administration at the time. Nonvoters didn’t make a difference. Michigan was won by Trump by a bigger margin than all college students or Arabs or Muslims or any other minority group in the state.

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            I think you’re trying to assign blame. Again, I am informing non-protest-voters what they voted for.

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              That’s not what they voted for.

              It’s a weird world where you blame the public for not voting for a flawed candidate rather than the candidate for not being flawed. It’s like blaming an audience for not laughing at the comedian on stage.

              Harris made a conscious choice to avoid pandering to certain constituencies (in hopes it would pay off by gaining conflicted Republican voters) and that gamble went wrong as people warned it would.

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                you blame

                Funny that you are still coming back almost 2 weeks later, only to ignore what I said, and continue on.

                And called it, you are trying assign blame. So again, I am informing protest-non-voters what they voted for. Ciao.

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                  And you continue to ignore what I said the first time and continue on preaching nonsense.

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        “tiny fraction of people” millions of registered D voters sat it out

        The DNC knew that Harris campaign pursuing Republican votes would cost her the election. She knew it, too, she’s not dumb.

        Independents outnumber Ds and Rs; if you ignore your own Democrats and ignore Independents and pursue Republican votes, you will lose every time.

        The math requires you to keep your own voters AND acquire Independent votes. There’s no way around it, not enough Ds exist, even if all had voted you still need I votes.

        This is why Democratic campaigns are otherwise always focused on D and I votes.

        Why did they ignore the fundamentals? You decide… but recall that she raised over a billion dollars in a few months, whilst Trump raised only 900 million in four years.

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      AmeriKKKa is uniparty on foreign policy. This exact outcome would have happened under a Harris administration, except they would have kept up the kayfabe, so I would have had to spend hours debating with shitlibs like you that this war is in fact just about oil.

      If you wanna play “shame Olympics”, liberals should be fucking ashamed for losing to the fucking fascists twice, giving the keys of the kingdom to the fascist twice, doing fucking nothing with their political power every time they had it, and barely even pretending to offer a political program worth fighting for.

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            Trump, of course, being so much better.

            Pragmatism beats principles every day of the week. The problem is it makes weak-willed people scared.

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              Yes, pragmatically speaking, voting for Biden does absolutely fucking nothing to alleviate any of the problems faced by the working class. It doesn’t affect the onward progression of capitalism, it doesn’t stop the racists from controlling the government, doesn’t stop the cops from murdering black people, doesn’t stop the erasure of LGBTQIA lives, doesn’t do anything.

              The pragmatic options are to first stabilize your own situation, and then organize popular resistance and do direct actions if you have the bandwidth.

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        Yes, exactly, and if the USA can do what they please why should other countries comply with it? It creates a dangerous precedent and an example for other authoritarian regimes. And I am afraid that Venezuela is just the beginning.

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        So the thing about Iraq is that:

        1. Bush enacted the NATO articles after 9-11 but couldn’t prove which country was responsible so while the troops were rallied there was no actual NATO response just voluntary support.

        2. Bush, Cheney, and the CIA managed to grub up a bunch of images of Aluminium Tubes that the CIA swore up and down were used in the production of nuclear weapons, and this case was presented to Congress to gain support for the war.

        3. The same arguments were presented to the UN prior to the invasion.

        Comparing Trump’s weekend getaway trip to that is disingenuous to its core, congress and largely the American people had absolutely no part to play in his insanity, and normalizing it or pretending there won’t or shouldn’t be repercussions for that helps nobody except for Donald Trump.

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          This is a childish and wrong way of understanding politics. “Orange man bad”, although a true statement, doesn’t explain USA geopolitics, which are largely bipartisan.

          You say congress played no part, yet most of congress (even most democrats) don’t condemned the actions themselves, only the lack of protocol followed. Half of EU politicians are celebrating too.

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            I myself don’t condemn the action itself, Maduro had it coming and so do all the other anti-democratic despots of the world. I place the greater good of all future people above my own comfort.

            But Trump should be punished just as any other president should, this is not their power to do.

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              The entire purpose of economic sanctions on Venezuela is to prevent free elections, because free elections gave rise to the Bolivarian revolution. This is not me making it up, this is literally the US policy as said by themselves with economic sanctioning:

              1. The majority of Cubans support Castro (the lowest estimate I have seen is 50 percent).

              2.There is no effective political opposition.

              3.Fidel Castro and other members of the Cuban Government espouse or condone communist influence.

              4.Communist influence is pervading the Government and the body politic at an amazingly fast rate.

              5.Militant opposition to Castro from without Cuba would only serve his and the communist cause.

              6.The only foreseeable means of alienating internal support is through disenchantment and disaffection based on economic dissatisfaction and hardship.

              If the above are accepted or cannot be successfully countered, it follows that every possible means should be undertaken promptly to weaken the economic life of Cuba. If such a policy is adopted, it should be the result of a positive decision which would call forth a line of action which, while as adroit and inconspicuous as possible, makes the greatest inroads in denying money and supplies to Cuba, to decrease monetary and real wages, to bring about hunger, desperation and overthrow of government.

              By arguing about elections without taking sanctions into account, you’re just being a CIA stooge

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                I can’t tell if you’re being facetious of if you actually think Venezuela is Cuba? After Cuba aligned with the USSR at the height of the cold war and became a single party dictatorship, economic suppression seems like a tame response. You realize they almost set off WWIII?

                I feel like support for Castro would plummet harshly if any opposition were allowed on it’s soil, but it was not.

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                  The document: Cubans are overwhelmingly in support of communism, so we need to starve them

                  The most “democratic” westerner: OF COURSE WE STARVED THEM, THEY DIDN’T HAVE TWO PARTIES

                  Just so you know: US + EU economic sanctions have murdered 38 million people in the past 50 years, and continue to murder half a million yearly. “Tame suppression”

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      Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?

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      They never existed because we never had a real international police to enforce them. They kinda felt real because the US kinda acted like this police.

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      go and fuck your hat. I’m a coward because I don’t want to stand up to the most powerful military in the world being damn near a senior citizen?

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        Bro, they on your side.

        No one expects you to go Rambo. They just want the majority of people to find their morals and do something.

        As unlikely as that is dont get so worked up because some anon was provoking you to do exactly what you just did. Maybe tomorrow you wont take down your local police department but instead look at a homeless person and think, “this isnt right.”

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          I do contribute. Drive for a local charity a few hours a month. They need a truck, I got a truck.

          I’m frustrated as fuck with the govt. right now. but, they voted it in and now we have to try to get through it. I hope it doesn’t end with bloodshed.

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            Thats it man, youre leagues above. Dont let the politics trigger you. Youre losing yourself to something you cant control.

            Same goes for me.

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          Really just outs the commenter as having no fucking clue what they are talking about.

          We are doing what we can. Constant record breaking protests. Progressives are winning by historic margins. These stupid fucking pretentious insulting comments do less than nothing.

          People really just cannot fucking comprehend the breadth and intensity of the psy op propaganda that the Republicans have enacted (really since Nixon) but intensely starting with Trump.

          Unprecedented targetting, unprecedented amounts of propaganda, and a collaboration with multiple foreign adversaries to assist. Trumps campaign was literally sending voter data to Russia so they can specifically target Americans with propaganda.

          On top of OAN, Fox News, podcasts, and talk radio, we literally had Russia and china making thousands of full on fake websites posing as legit news spreading insane anti left bullshit. Social media was completely flooded with bots spreading misinformation leading up to all of Trump’s elections

          America is the victim of the biggest and most advanced brainwashing campaign in the history of mankind and we all seem to be ignoring that fact when it is the single most important aspect of modern American and global politics.

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              You try changing people’s opinions when you can’t even agree on what is and what isn’t reality. I really don’t think you guys have any idea how broken half of this country is. We do. Because we have to deal with these people on a daily basis. Some of them are our family.

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        Yeah why aren’t me and you single handedly overthrowing this democratically elected government! We must be stupid or something

        I love seeing foreigners asking Americans online why they don’t just stop this.

        Like, motherfucker millions of us voted against this.

        This is the result of multiple nations and multiple massive data analytics corps collaborating to create the biggest propaganda machine ever seen on earth which brainwashed millions of Americans.

        But yeah. Why the fuck isnt Dave, the liberal from Vermont just walking to Washington and stopping this!!! /s

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            Excellent retort. Now go feel high and mighty.

            You’ve really made a difference by insulting people who agree with you and are already using their means to fight against this admin

            You are a true revolutionary.

            Wish you could go back in time and tell all the Jews in Germany who didn’t vote for Hitler that they are stupid for not stopping him. That would be really constructive. You could really save us some trouble there.

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              You’re comparing the american people to the jews in 1940? The jews were a tiny minority and they had the state AND the public against them.

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        how about try to ask yourself: would you have shot hitler, had you been there, in nazi-germany? when all oposing parties and minorities were consecutively arrested and jailed?

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            There have been several assassination attempts against Trump as well as consistent protests that are breaking participation records

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            i am a german, i know of this stuff. i was just responding to the guy, who said, theres nothing, as an US-american, he can do about. Sure he can. Americans shouldnt belittle us, as to what happened during the time of nazi germany, when they wont do stuff themselves, when presented with an somewhat similar situation.

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          okay, so the google ai (i forgot to turn it off) says pre ww2 germany was about 633,000 square kilometers to the hogshead (including austria and sudentenland because idk i was up late). united states takes up about 9,150,000 square kilometers to the hogshead. does that explain the difference in size a little bit?

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            so what, the country is bigger, so any assasination on trump is riskier? or resistence to the covernment? i dont understand your logic, what does size of a country matter when presented with an president, who does fascist things, right in the front of you face. And the american people do nothing about it, they then are all complicit in his actions, as were deemed the german people during the nuremberg trials.

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              y’all are trying to say just walk over to dc. you seem to not understand the scale of things. you had a country, we have a continent to walk across. fucking bad faith nazi.

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                sure, and for the last 70 years, we had no meaningful invention in types of transportation? u r just a hypocrite. And you can still protest in your city, county, whatever, what hinders you on that? grow a spine already.

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        You are a coward. Along with the millions who stayed home on voting day, letting this global nightmare happen. 2nd amendment you yanks love to waive around in everyone’s face, was made for this. Yet … crickets.

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      This is just such an incredibly stupid insulting thing to say.

      Millions of Americans oppose this admin and are actively protesting and volunteering against it.

      We can’t just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots

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        We can’t just walk to fucking DC and remove a democratically elected prez you idiots

        It’s Jan 6th. tomorrow, just saying.

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            It seems to have worked well enough for them, since they’re the ones running the government now.

            I also don’t think they’re going to leave peacefully ever. If you want them out, you might as well toss them out sooner than later.

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              You do realise there is another half of the country that opposes this right? Even if 55% of the country tries to throw trump out 45% will show up to stop him and that will be a very bloody conflict.

              Better just to wait until mid terms and next election and vote him out.

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                Do you think they’ll accept a loss at the next election, or are they going to start a bloody conflict anyway?

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                  Not sure. I think the right will but I also think if they dont then its the better time for a bloody conflict.

                  You’ll have a lot more people on your side after an election loss because trump is already unpopular and people will feel cheated out of democracy. Whereas if you start a conflict now your side will look like the ones trying to overthrow democracy since he was the legitimate winner.

                  You only get one shot at this kind of thing

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          An army with (at best) small arms. Against the US military, we may as well have sticks and stones.

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            Your American army got defeated by villagers with sticks and stones in Vietnam.

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              Yeah it definitely didn’t have anything to do with all the hardware and intel from Russia

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                Always someone else’s fault with you yanks. Never taking responsibility for your own failings.

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          Yes. And the good Americans are constantly working towards that, anywhere from really complicated micro step means like funding grassroots progressives to things like Massie and Khanna collaborating on legislation to nation wide protests.

          This is an extremely complex and disturbing situation that requires mass demonstrations and complex beuarocratic machinations and acting like Greg from Atlanta not rolling up to Washington on a tractor with a shotgun is what’s letting it happen is fucking reductive, emotional, immature, unconstructive, childish, in-fighting causing, and just fucking stupid. As stupid as they nking democracy is dead in the USA.

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        Yeah you can’t cause you’re all talk, you’re idiots and cowards. The faster you guys become a third world shithole the better.

        Your entire country is a disease.

        Sincerely an indigenous person

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      And what would you do in our position? Stop acting like the average American citizen has any control over this.

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        General strike.

        I mean, you Americans love to compare yourselves with Rome, learn something from the Secessio Plebis.

        Or better, take a hint from your own previous social movements.

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          General strikes don’t materialize out of nowhere and require significantly more organization and infrastructure than currently exists.

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            So then what you need to do is build …what… ? Take your thought to it’s logical conclusion.

            Look, dear American people, there is no cavalry coming to save you. You have to do this. It’s your country. Build the infrastructure, build the organization.

            Start small, build up: https://youtu.be/vvaquOcNEKI

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        The victim is the world and the murder-rapist is the us. We do think its fucked up you all live in the same house but there comes a point when maybe “don’t blame me I voted for Kodos” does not work when you are all buying the clown makeup for John Wayne Gacy.

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          I unblocked you for a response, something I don’t usually waste my time on but this is so funny I had to point it out.

          you have at least two alt accounts and are actively accusing and discrediting someone for the same thing. I think @ObtuseDoorFrame@lemmy.zip should at least know who they’re arguing with.

          as if that wasn’t enough, you actually upvote all of your own comments with your alt accounts.

          🤣

          it’s absurd, if you spent half that effort on being a normal human being nobody would be able to tell how pathetic you are.

          anyway, good luck with whatever hate machine you’re building. if this is the best you can do you’re going to need it.

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              sounds like someone is mad they got caught 🤣

              tag me however you want, won’t make your actions any less pathetic.

              for the record, I wouldn’t have even seen it if you hadn’t downvote bombed all my comments, but you piqued my interest enough to investigate your account.

              I found some pretty interesting stuff. did you know that it’s possible to see all the downvote bombing you’ve done? like seriously dude…do you not have a life? not only that, but it seems you actually wrote a script to go through and do it for you because these timestamps are almost simultaneous.

              I’m impressed that you could know enough to script something out and still be ignorant enough to leave breadcrumbs behind. real amateur hour stuff.

              that’s not the only interesting thing either. I can see your upvotes too. it’s pretty telling tbh.

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      Trump is still a pedophile.

      Jeffery Dahmer is a cannibal, but that’s sort of secondary to the large number of murders.

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    “But they’re celebrating.”

    Yeah, if a foreign nation did a military operation and abducted Trump to face a trial for his crimes Americans would be in the streets celebrating.

    But the celebration is going to be short when they realize their futures are now dictated by a felon rapist pedophile who’s crashing his own nation’s economy and violating his own citizen’s rights.

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            Now is maybe not the time to throw “not all men” around.

            Now is the time to actively resist and prove to the rest of the world yourself an ally in a global fight against fascism taking command of the largest military on the planet.

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            As long as they do nothing to unite and just hope someone else does something for them, I’m not sure what use you think they are to me?

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              Well see, they’re going to vote blue again this year and again in 3 years. Because that’s worked so fucking well the last 8 times

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        How many times I heard that it’s ok to murder Palestinians because I’m 2006 they voted for the party that got rid of Israeli settlements.

        meanwhile the American people are not responsible for the guy they voted a second time last year?

        every conservative voter is directly complicit with those murders, and ideally they should face justice, and every liberal is also complicit because the Dems are useless and also do this bullshit.

        Only reply I’ll accept is that the US is not a democracy, barely even a pretend one. it’s a theater for the rich to do as they please. but I’ll still blame the Americans for not providing enough pushback.

        almost every other nation would have revolted. Americans are exceptionally meek bootlickers.

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        Are you asking that in good faith? The Maga trash for certain, though. And people who don’t take direct action, or any action.

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      Do not absolve the past administrations, do not absolve the future administrations, canada, europe, russia or china. Fuck the global north.

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          I said something bad about every major country in the anglosphere of the internet, downvotes are to be expected.

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          If I had to guess, it would probably be because what they said was the equivalent of “fuck every country, fuck everyone”.

          If I said that, for example, I’d probably be downvoted too.

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        Bombing a country isnt inherently a bad thing. Those strikes were conducted with the support of regional allies against terrorist orgs. But I know people like you never miss an opportunity to take attention away from Trump and point it towards democrats.

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            That actually says the opposite. That link says that Obama didnt intend to strike the hospital nor did the general and it was struck due equipment malfuntion and the info relayed to the strike crew causing it to get identified as a similar looking Taliban-controlled building. So a lower level chain of command and procedure failure. Operating in that theater and ordering those strikes was still the correct thing to do.

            You can even look at the response once they realised the mistake. Trump’s admin would never do anything close to that.

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              Imagine not reading past the first paragraph of “proof” you provide. Glad I’m not them. Wild world.

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    Fuck amrikkka

    Fucking terrorist hell hole of a nation

    Amrikkka is the satan

    Burn this country down

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      The AfD is on the way to run the show, like many far right factions in many nation states of Europe.

      The only way to stop tyranny is to stand up to it, and angry lemmy posts won’t do that. The danger is always much closer than the “foreigners” so many xenophobes like to point out.

      Once tyranny is in power the resistance needs support, not condemnation. I thought this was known 80 years ago, apparently not so much today.

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      The exceptions make the rule, Donald Trump alone did this bypassing all safeguards the USA put in place to prevent this sort of thing.

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        Republicans could have held him responsible at any time. Republicans could have blocked any of this at any point. Trump alone was a narcicistic fool with fragile masculinity. Republicans made him the threat he is. Far too many Democrats failed to take things seriously too.

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          Democrats had no power to do anything about this because the DNC haven’t had more than 48 senators in the last 13 years.

          Republicans are all bad and all complicit, with that I agree, but I would easily say Donald Trump is the worst of them and anybody else in the party would be a lesser evil than him.

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            Right, yet many like Fetterman etc were confirming his goons etc. They still bear responsibility, even if it’s less. They failed to treat the situation with the appropriate respect and responses that it deserved. Instead, behaving like everything was still normal. which is still fucked up at best.

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              Fetterman is a brain-damaged moron who can’t be recalled. When every single DNC, Independent, and 3 Republicans voted against Pete Hegseth, he was confirmed anyways. If the DNC held a real majority then he would not have been, nor would several Trump SCOTUS picks, that’s exactly what I’m talking about.

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                The reason they don’t hold a majority is exactly because they refuse to take anything seriously. Much less the desires of the voters. And it wasn’t just Fetterman he and Shaheen were definitely the worst. Hassan, Kelly, Tim fucking Kane the former VP nominee, Gilibrand, Klobuchar, Peters, Slotkin, Warnock, Hickenlooper, goddamned Corey Booker!? Yes they voted against the worst of the worst. They just voted for the worst and got nothing but shame to show for it.

                Hah! Just saw this. Kelly won an extra prize. Shame and a pension cut!

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                  Pretty sure its because they attempted but failed to ban money from congress after the 2010 SCOTUS decision and have been fighting the combined PR strength of monied interests, Russia, China, and Racism.

                  The DNC want to forgive student debt, tax the rich, expand medical to everyone, and generally be better people in terms of foreign policy.

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                  Those dusty bastards can’t compromise if there is nothing to compromise on, DNC having the members to write, call to vote, and pass legislature would be a night and day difference.

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        I’m honestly not sure if you’re trolling or just incredibly ignorant about US American history. America is constantly invading other countries, inciting and supporting coups, stealing resources, murdering civilians. It’s just what they do, have done historically, and will continue to do

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          Alright but so did the Vikings and the Spartans but we don’t refer to it as a Viking Empire or the Spartan Empire because that’s not what the word means. Making an Empire means claiming territories as your own and colonizing foreign lands.

          EDIT: Had my comment threads mixed up earlier. Not going to fix it.

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        Just like when he attacked Iran dems are only upset they weren’t informed before and allowed to vote yes, not that he did the illegal actions…

        Then again we haven’t had an official war since WW2 so not like safe guards were doing anything before

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          TBH if congress were aware of the operation in Venezuela I would probably be happy about it, fuck Maduro and every other anti-democracy bastard.

          But that’s not the reality of the situation. The reality is Trump did something highly illegal.

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            TBH if congress were aware of the operation in Venezuela I would probably be happy about it, fuck Maduro and every other anti-democracy bastard.

            So just like the dems only upset that our president attacked a sovereign nation, took their leader and now claims ownership of, because he didn’t let the dems give him pre approval.

            Again only upset at the illegal act of not notifying congress beforehand.

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              Trump might claim ownership, but nothing has actually been done to enforce it. Rubio says he’s expecting Maduro’s people, VP Delcy Rodriguez, to start playing ball as they are now in charge. Hell, they apparently didn’t even try to inform Gonzalez or Machado beforehand to install one of them.

              According to the pentagon, for what little their word is worth, there are no US Troops left in Venezuela.

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                  In order to install a puppet leader. If only because of Trump’s incompetence, Venezuela is still governed by Maduro’s faction.

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    Considering the new york crimes reporting on gaza multiply that number by 10. The American Pedophile crime syndicate state media will always minimize war crimes.

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      How morally curropt a society have to be to be ruled by literal pedophiles waging wars for oil.

      Fuck this shit