Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change, doing nothing will totally solve this problem.
Every single person you berate for “not voting for imperfect candidates” already fucking does it. You’re bashing people on your own team for the purpose of punching left. But every time we try to push on the fucking PRIMARY for a candidate that isn’t complete dogshit, you fucks sabotage them at every turn, and then act surprised when you lose because you forced the bad unimpressive corporate candidate forth due to “electability” and red scare bullshit.
Progressives as a collective are not marxist-leninists. Stop treating us like we are. MLs spend 16 hours a day being loud in the internet, most of us actual progressives have actual lives and organize IRL instead of wanking over Marx and telling Ukranian children they’re Nazis on social media.
No, they don’t already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn’t have that problem.
Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies, they fucking suck and they need to know we want progressives not the crap they are parading around, but this meme isn’t doing that, it’s just sending the message that it’s pointless to try, it feels like right wing created content to keep people from bothering to vote at all, and when you look at the numbers, that’s exactly what’s happening.
As a criticism of the DNC, the meme’s pretty close to the truth, even if it does inspire apathy – like Lucy yanking the football away every time, it’s the DNC who sabotage nominees who intend to implement effective change of the system.
But since there’s no other viable ball to kick, the electorate need to kick anyway – and spend the rest of the time organizing on a national level and engaging politically on a local level to shitcan Lucy. (This metaphor isn’t especially extensible!)
As a criticism of the DNC, the meme’s pretty close to the truth, even if it does inspire apathy
The meme doesn’t inspire apathy. The party’s behavior does.
American reading comprehension being under a 6th grade level doing the heavy lifting here, huh? The context of the original comic is Lucy yanking the ball away before Charlie has the chance to kick it. The lesson is that Charlie shouldn’t stop trying to kick the ball, it’s that Lucy should stop being an asshole by taking it. This is not trying to lower turnout for the DNC, this is trying to sarcastically say this manipulative shit doesn’t work and doesn’t increase turnout. It’s doing the fucking opposite of what you’re saying.
Plenty of candidates have won despite a multitude of criticism towards them. If your candidate can’t beat anyone because of those criticisms, then they were a weak candidate anyways.
Also it’s important to realize that Charlie Brown is a good-natured sucker being taken advantage of by a manipulative person.
Eventually even the most gullible suckers give up.
You’re spot on and these downvotes are EXACTLY why things are the way they are.
Please criticize the fuck out of the candidates and policies,
All criticism is welcome except any particular criticism.
but this meme isn’t doing that, it’s just sending the message that it’s pointless to try
No, the party sends that message. The meme just details the mechanism by which they send it.
No, they don’t already do that, because turnout is dogshit, if everyone did that we wouldn’t have that problem.
This is a comforting lie educated liberals tell themselves. The truth is that today, the Democratic party represents voters who vote more reliably, while the Republicans represent more disengaged infrequent voters. This changed over the last decade or so, but people haven’t gotten the memo. It used to be that Republicans did better in low-turnout elections. But now the opposite is true. Republicans now thrive on low-information, low-engagement voters - the exact type of voters that would vote more in your scenario of everyone turning out. If everyone had voted in 2024, Trump would have won by an even larger margin.
This makes sense if you think about it. Today, Democrats’ real only message is, “vote strategically, we aren’t Republicans.” They offer very little of actual substance beyond not being Trump. Low-engagement voters aren’t going to care about your message of not being Trump. They don’t have the same loyalties regular voters do. And they’re not going to educate themselves on things like Project 2025.
Trump won low-engagement voters because he had simple direct messages that could reach them. Trump was going to put money in your pocket and clamp down on crime. That was his message. That was what he offered. Harris offered “I’m not Trump.” To a well-educated liberal, not being Trump is enough, as you pay attention to politics and know exactly what kind of evil shit Trump has gotten up to. But “I’m not Trump” doesn’t work for the low-engagement voters vital to win an election.
If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you. There are a lot of dumbasses on the left who don’t vote, or throw their votes away on hopeless third parties.
If ya’ll run Gavin Newsom, I’m out.
No joke, Newsom is a BAD candidate, he’s not even pretending to be progressive, he’s your typical neo-liberal corporatist.
What, why, do you hate sick memes!? /s
If you vote for Democrats in general elections, they’re not talking about you.
Tell me you’ve never criticized the centrist wing of the party without saying you’ve never criticized the centrist wing of the party.
You need to consciously work on eliminating these Reddit speech patterns from your vocabulary. It’s like nails on a chalkboard.
Tone policing is certainly one way to indicate that you cannot address what I said. Concession accepted. You’ve never criticized the genocide wing, so you’ve never encountered the behavior of the genocide wing toward its critics.
The genocide wing blames everyone to the left of netanyahu for his pet’s loss, regardless of how they voted.
Except when we criticize the shit the DNC pulls you all show up and say, “oh, you just don’t want people to vote?!?!”
In this post, one of you replied to me:
I don’t vote. Good people don’t vote.
So the concern isn’t unfounded.
One of me? I’m pretty sure I’m the only one of me. And in response to your comment that I replied to you, you specifically said this wasn’t about those of us who do vote, so that comment has nothing to do with me at all.
Try again, maybe put on your thinking cap.
Did I lump you in with a group to which you do not belong? Heaven forfend!
Who is the “we” you are referring to here?
Except when we criticize the shit the DNC pulls you all show up and say, “oh, you just don’t want people to vote?!?!”
And who are the “you all”? iM pReTTy ShUr Im ThE OnLy OnE of MEEE!
So again, you said “if you vote, I’m not taking about you.” I said, “except when we criticize democrats you tell us we don’t want people to vote.” Then you lumped me in with people who don’t vote.
Is thinking really this hard for you? The “we” I’m referring to are the ones of us who vote and also are fed up with the way the DNC runs the party. This is just…not confusing. How are you this perplexed? Do you need a nap? You seem to be getting really emotional.
Those people are not numerous enough to matter. They’re mostly internet MLs who spend 16 hours a day yapping on social media so they look like the common consensus.
2016 Election: Stein Votes vs. Trump Margin
- Michigan: Trump won by 10,704 votes. Stein received 51,463 votes.
- Wisconsin: Trump won by 22,748 votes. Stein received 31,006 votes.
- Pennsylvania: Trump won by 46,765 votes. Stein received 49,678 votes.
Ahh yes blame the people who believe in democracy enough to vote their conscience, the smallest percentage of people. And not the cheaters.
Definitely not the bomb threats, the thrown out voter rolls, the mail-in ballots in ditches, the constant redistricting. It’s the tiniest percentage of people who have all the power.
Nevermind the Michigan Data, or the Pennsylvania Data. Or the 30%-40% that sit the fuck out every national election. No it’s that tiny percent.
For the record I voted Harris because I do believe in harm reduction over absolutism, but it’s fucking stupid to blame the third party voters that happen to actually believe in democracy and that you should vote for who you want, not who can win.
Frankly if we as a nation would had voted for a third party or independent candidate sooner, it’s quite possible the either Major Party would have died like the Whigs when the Republican Party came onto the scene.
Just think about it critically instead of continuing that stupid ass dogma that got us here in the first place.
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election. Certainly the large number of non-voters you mention (I’m note sure if any of those election fraud claims are consequential).
But, in this thread, we are responding to one particular group that consistently helps Republicans win, because they’re the ones who posted it, and they’re here in the comments to be argued with!
Except it’s never been their fault. Even in the “best” years third party voters make up less than 5% of the electorate. It’s a lie of statistics to not mention the non-voters. You’re telling me that the third party voters are more at fault than politician whose job is to get elected being unable to steal that percentage from the non voters?
No what does happen instead? What did The Democratic Party do not long before the election? Did they appeal to the Non-Voters? Or did they appeal to “moderate” Republicans? Did they go for the larger percentage, or one that was no doubt slim and taken for?
Like doesn’t it seem silly to blame 5 when 30 is such a larger number? Isn’t it dumb to blame people treating democracy like democracy instead of the politicians that won’t meet the electorate where it matters?
National elections are so close these days, any of these things could be the but-for difference maker in any given election.
The party should start behaving accordingly, then. Instead they alienate their base by sprinting to the right in an idiotic attempt to get republican votes. Republicans hate you. They are not going to vote for you.
Stein was a spoiler and a Russian asset, if voting your conscious meant voting for her your conscious is fuckin stupid.
You can see how refusing to distance herself from genocide left an opening that spoiler candidates could exploit, can’t you?
And since you and a bunch of other dopey centrists are gonna imagine that this is somehow an admission of a vote for stein if I don’t say this: I voted for harris.
I don’t disagree which is why I’ve never voted Stein. The Green Party has never been a serious third party to me, but seems to get brought up as a strawman at every turn when a blueberry wants to avoid their cognitive dissonance.
You’re assuming all of those people are progressives. Quite the opposite, actually.
They don’t all have to be. Look closely again at the numbers and you’ll notice some are larger than others. Think of the implications of that.
Now do Claudia De La Cruz.
You do it, lazy.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
I’ve made my point about you people supposedly not being numerous enough to matter. A few hundred thousand votes is easily enough to matter if the election is close enough. And you never know how close an election will be before it happens.
So maybe the party should start treating us as though we’re people with agency whose votes they need.
Yes, my 12 made me very lazy.
If progressives voted in the primaries in numbers then we’d have progressive candidates, but the average progressive seems to believe that the Dems are just as bad as the republicans because Americans are unfathomably stupid.
Bullshit. Absolute drivel. More voting is what solves this not less
More voting is what solves this not less
Betrayal discourages voting, but the party keeps doing it anyway.
the party
I thought the only party that Ensign_Crab cared about was the United Russia party
I don’t trust them to run honest primaries either.
Yeah they’re exactly the same. That must be why you spend all your time shitting on the parties trying to stop the fascist but rarely say anything against the farther right parties. Makes sense
That must be why you spend all your time shitting on the parties trying to stop the fascist
Democrats try to appease fascists. They try to stop progressives. Haven’t you noticed?
but rarely say anything against the farther right parties.
I don’t have much occasion to reply to pushback from the farther right parties on lemmy. I’m ok with that. Please don’t invite them.
It certainly solved it when they did exactly that the last elections. I mean, israhell is not genociding gaza anymore, and prices are down… right?
“We”? Who’s we? Nintendo Wii? Or are you speaking French right now?
Most progressives did vote for Kamala, you clown. Criticizing and objecting and calling out a candidate’s bad policies does not mean they won’t vote for them if it comes down to it. You liberals are the most fragile wallflowers in the planet, there’s a reason people call you blue MAGA. You can’t fathom someone criticizing a person and still voting for them. It doesn’t compute in your fucking brain, you see any criticism as a sin and a sign that person will not vote, vote third party, or vote for the republican.
Newsflash, the world doesn’t work like that, you giant toddler in the body of a 30+ year old.
Are you sure you’re replying to the right post? Are you ok?
Sorry, I can’t tell if you’re one of those smarmy liberals or something else.
Well, for starters, don’t go calling “clown” someone you don’t even know based on a single sentence (let alone any of the other names you called me, but I digress…). The people I was referring to were not those who voted for Kamala and criticize what she does. But those who didn’t vote for her (roughly a 30% of the voting population) because “both sides”.
You call me “liberal” when you don’t even know if I’m from your continent (spoilers: I’m not) and don’t know what do I vote in my continent and my country (even more spoilers, I tend to vote the parties furthest in the left spectrum).
Then you call me “blue MAGA” (again, I’m not American, and I mean it as inhabitant of the whole continent) and a “fragile wallflower”? Mate, I’m autistic, if I were a “fragile wallflower” I would have already committed suicide for the amount of bullying I’ve suffered.
Not only I CAN fathom someone criticizing a person and still voting for them, I DO IT EVERY SINGLE TIME I FUCKING VOTE because I believe we should held politicians accountable.
The rest is not even worth of commenting because you just go saying senseless stuff.
Blue maga is Russian agitprop attempting to get progressives not to vote Dem. Don’t fall for it.
I mean, by absolute numbers, the genocide under Trump is actually less destructive than the genocide under Biden. Trump is more cruel and crass about it. But the cold hard inescapable truth is that far more Gazans died under Biden than will die under Trump. Trump has active malice about Palestinians, Biden simply didn’t even consider them human and worthy of any consideration whatsoever.
As far as prices, again, inflation is lower under Trump that it was under Biden.
I hate Trump’s guts, but you’re describing things that Biden objectively performed worse than Trump on. You’re falling for the assumption that Trump is automatically worse at Biden than everything.
true!
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war
Calling it israhell does make you sound like Trump. Why do people do this?
Israhell, USrael, Isreal… I don’t have the slightest bit of respect for that shithole of a nazi country so I’ll call it as I see fit, anything but its real name.
Sleepy Joe Biden, Demonrats etc. Its not edgy, just childish. But do as you please.
I’m getting the impression that you think I care about how others see me when I insult the modern nazis and… You’re wrong. I don’t. I enjoy calling them names of any kind. I don’t think they are more than an evil and dumb caricature of a human being so I’m treating them like such.
You don’t insult the " Nazis", you just insult yourself in a very childish way. And all the Hate that spills out of your Keyboard isn’t get less, while you just trying to find another creative way to make funny names. Try to be mature.
Try to be mature.
" I don’t think they are more than an evil and dumb caricature of a human being so I’m treating them like such."
This, by the way is original Nazi- Sprech! Nazi - Talk for non Germans.
Are you upset because I don’t think nazis deserve human treatment? Because that’s what it looks like. And just in case it wasn’t obvious, yes, I do think that nazis (like those zionists from USrael) crossed the line that separates them from human beings a while ago. If that bothers you, I strongly recommend you to block me, because I strongly believe that the only good nazi is a dead nazi.
Shh! You’re challenging their “moral superiority”.
Chuck schumer has joined the chat from Israel
Didn’t vote for genocide? Smugly wow look at your “moral superiority”.
Ah yes, the solution to bad people in power is to not even bother trying to vote for change
Bad people in power make sure change isn’t on the ballot.
Not doing nothing! Rising up and overthrowing capitalism. How, you ask? You know, rising up! What practical plan is there for afterwards? Plenty of time to figure that out later!
What about this comic makes you think the point is “Charlie should stop trying to kick the ball” and not “Lucy should stop pulling this shit”?
The Lucy pulling the football thing has always been about the fact that Lucy is an asshole that Charlie Brown should not trust, and that Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the football.
Charlie Brown is right to be upset at Lucy’s behavior.
Enjoying the Trump years, “anti”-fascist?
Progressives are not the ones who put you in this position. You did by consistently voting for weak, ineffective leaders. Low information, low engagement voters are what caused Trump to win. You can’t win those people with a “We’re not Trump” message, because for them that message is meaningless, they don’t have any party loyalties or even research who they vote for. They vote based on the message, and you’ve failed to deliver a good message for the past 10 years.
Also, learn the context of the original comic before embarrassing yourself in the replies.
Which comic do you think I’ve misinterpreted, cranky progressive?
The one that this meme format used, dipshit. Have you bothered to learn what happens on it and why it’s being used here?
Well, there’s a comic in the post, and a comic in the comment thread we’re replying under, so I just wanted to clarify which one you were referring to. The “Lucy and the Football” trope is commonly used as an analogy for a sucker who keeps falling for the same trick. In this case, it’s calling progressives who vote for Democrats suckers, implying progressives should not vote for Democrats. This helps Republicans win. Dipshit.
No, it’s not that. The lesson of the comic is that Lucy should stop fucking yoinking the ball every time he tries to kick it. LUCY is the one being an asshole. AKA, the DNC begs for votes from progressives, promising things to them, and then they proceed to not only NOT do what they promised, but also refuse to do their fucking job. Which is the bare fucking minimum people should ask of politicians, but according to people like YOU that’s too much to ask and will result in them fucking losing as if criticism is going to derail their chances. If criticism derailed politicians into losing, TRUMP WOULD NOT BE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
You’re part of the “54% of Americans read and interpret text at a level below 6th grade” statistic.
Your bespoke interpretation of the Lucy comic is self-serving and almost certainly wrong. Charles Schulz is long dead, so we can’t know for sure, but I’d bet if we could ask him what the point of the strip was, it would be something along the lines of “It’s funny that Charlie keeps falling for the same trick” and not “The reader is supposed to tsk tsk and say ‘Lucy really should cut that out!’”
It’s called slapstick. Believe it or not, it’s supposed to be funny.
If progressives voted in the primaries we’d have policy representation in the party. But we mostly don’t because of takes like yours.
If progressives voted in the primaries
We were denied that opportunity in 2024.
Were you? I voted in my primaries. Everyone I know did too.
I voted in the primaries I had available to me. You got the genocidal shit you wanted without a primary.
“Everyone but me wants genocide”
Put the insane club away and stop harassing people with unintelligible BS. You heard something and you are throwing it at everyone, even if its irrelevant.
Yes people want primaries. Duh. Not having one last time was an epic fuck-up. Bernie being screwed over also fucked us all. Or does he love genocide because you dislike him too?
Of COURSE everyone you disagree with loves genocide, dont you???
Or because the corporate wing of the DNC sabotages them at every turn.
Except for when they get elected, which is pretty often.
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You’re very confident in your prediction that accelerationism will work out in the end.
Did you vote for Trump? Because that would have been the rational decision based on your worldview.
I don’t vote.
Good people don’t vote.
I may not be a good person but I try my best.
And at least I can claim the dignity of refusing to participate in the Epstein class’s quadrennial popularity contest.
Good people don’t vote.
Who told you that?
Good people don’t vote.
you allowed the epstein president another term. stop lying to yourself.
I’m sorry, what presidential candidate in the last five generations wasn’t part of the Epstein class?
Even Bill Clinton, a poor boy from rural Arkansas, got to be an honorary member of the Epstein class. And my God did he enjoy the privileges of that class.
you live in an entirely delusional world kiddo.
Obama is part of the epstein class huh?
anything to drag them down to the GOP side’s behavior, even if you have to make it up. You’re just a giant sad fucking example of people who can’t tell the difference between “not my pick” and “fascist fucks”
you didn’t get your way, you cried, and everyone else has to suffer your stupidity, you dolt
So you did vote for Trump.
Because nothing the United States is doing under Trump is different than what it was doing under Biden, and under Trump I, and under Obama, and under Bush, and under Clinton.
Fucking nothing.
bull fucking shit.
look, hate harris all you want, but iran? venezuela? cuba? migrants in cages?
fuck off with that bullshit, it’s not the same, you simply cannot fathom the concept of harm reduction and will happily burn all your allies because you didn’t get your way.
POLITICS IS NOT MARRIAGE, YOU DON’T GET TO PICK YOUR IDEAL PARTNER.
you fucking children damned us to all this bullshit. great fucking work.
look, hate harris all you want, but iran? venezuela? cuba? migrants in cages?
Remember Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria, Libya, Yemen, Ukraine? And also Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, and a dozen others? And all the proxy wars and “interventions” I’m forgetting about or that never made the news?
Pre-Trump America was less blatant in its warmongering. It made the effort to build “international consensus” before bombing the fuck out of poor brown people. And it preferred to made economic warfare, through sanctions, which don’t make headlines when they kill poor brown people.
Harris would have killed Iranians with sanctions rather than bombs. And perhaps you think that makes a difference. But whether a little girl dies of starvation from American sanctions, or is blown up by American bombs, she’s still fucking dead.
Fuck, Trump’s “random bombing go” strategy let Iran close the Strait and made America take the blame for it - and if that lets Iran negotiate with the world and end Western sanctions using the Strait as leverage, Trump’s war might end up saving more lives than it kills.
As for migrants in cages: Trump made no new laws. Trump made no new policies, even. Trump enforced existing laws more harshly and blatantly and publicly than America previously had. And Harris promised to do the same fucking thing in her campaign.
What’s happening to migrants today is what the American people wanted. The killings, the beatings, the disappearances, the private prisons and forced labor and inhumane conditions, all of it.
Only we saw it happen openly, on the streets in Minneapolis, in front of a million cell phones and cameras, instead of out in the Texas desert where the only cameras belong to the Border Patrol. And seeing the Border Patrol treat middle class white protesters like immigrants was too much for some people.
Putting migrants in cages is what America wants. America just doesn’t want to see the cages. It hurts their feelings.
bull fucking shit.
get fucked.
people like you will do anything to drag down the left so it seems as bad as the pedos and war criminals. get fucked with a red hot jackhammer you equivocating dirtbag
Crying because your shithole of a country was finally exposed for what they are?
No tears here baby, at least I can see the difference between trying on the left and fascism on the right. You keep voting for trump, get the life you deserve.
POLITICS IS NOT MARRIAGE, YOU DON’T GET TO PICK YOUR IDEAL PARTNER.
You got your ideal partner. You got genocide and don’t care who provides it.
What a fucking clown response.
Centrists were fine with losing as long as they didn’t have to say no to netanyahu.
Everyone they disagree with loves genocide, Crab whatever is a dumbass.
This isn’t a gotcha. Most ideological demographics are tiny minorities too small to succeed alone, but 3% of the vote could be the difference between a narrow win and a narrow loss for the DNC.
If you need their votes, start acting like it.
a lot of people assuming that the implied message of the meme is “Charlie Brown should stop trying to kick the ball” instead of “Lucy should stop pulling the ball away”
The best solution would be for Charlie Brown to kick Lucy and run the ball himself. (This is a metaphor for primarying sitting Democrats.)
The question is will anyone organise to make that happen in a meaningful way.
Ny money is on “NO” but I don’t live there.
The Democratic Socialists are fielding a lot of viable challenges against Democrats this year, both in open seats and against incumbents. Mamdani is the very famous example, but there were a lot of DSA victories in city council races across the country, and there’s also a primary challenge for Rep. Richie Torres.
He’s not DSA affiliated, but Graham Platner just pushed centrist Janet Mills out of the Democratic primary race, allowing him to challenge Republican Susan Collins. Progressive Analilia Mejia also defeated AIPAC centrist Tom Malinowski in her primary and went on to win the special election to represent New Jersey’s 11th district. It’s still early, but this is could be a real reckoning for the centrist liberals that have ruled the party for the last 3 decades.
It’s still early, but this is could be a real reckoning for the centrist liberals that have ruled the party for the last 3 decades.
Hopefully it’s not too late to undo the fascism they ushered in one betrayal at a time.
We’ll see. The only cure foe scapegoating, far-right populism is genuine economic populism. I’m optimistic that, if we excise enough of the third-way rot from the party, the remaining Democratic hacks will see which way the wind is blowing and fall in line behind an actual progressive vision.
I’m optimistic that, if we excise enough of the third-way rot from the party, the remaining Democratic hacks will see which way the wind is blowing and fall in line behind an actual progressive vision.
Maybe, but all it takes is just enough holdouts yet again. I hope you’re right and I hope it happens while there’s still time.
I don’t think anyone knows the context of the comic, otherwise they wouldn’t be yapping absolute nonsense in the replies. That stat of 54% of Americans reading below a 6th grade level is showing itself in real time.
Why not both?
because “both” means that the dnc supports and promotes candidates and policies that progressives want, and then progressives don’t vote for them. how does that help anyone?
If Charlie trying to kick is voting, then that would mean Lucy is taking his vote away. Both means Lucy stops pulling the football and Charlie stops falling for the football being pulled.
He can still play (vote) but maybe get someone else to hold the ball (voting in the primaries).
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how dare you!
those leftists would be very upset if they knew how to think long-term.
How many more decades before centrists stop being worse every election cycle?
Oh right, you’re getting what you want long-term.
Vote in the primaries.
Don’t blame the voters for the results of dishonest or nonexistent primaries.
“When I don’t get the result I want I call the election rigged.”
Who do you sound like?
Americans will point the blame at anyone other than themselves.
“When I don’t get the result I want I call the election rigged.”
Democrats successfully argued in court that they do not have to run honest primaries. Democrats selectively protect centrist incumbents like Henry Cuellar but not progressive incumbents like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. Democrats sued as many candidates off as many ballots as they could in 2024. Democrats denied us a primary in 2024.
It’s a documented pattern of behavior. Stop gaslighting just because it results in genocidal shit candidates you like.
Democrats successfully argued in court that they do not have to run honest primaries.
Actually, what they argued is that the court and outside groups have no legal standing to dictate how the Democrats select their candidates.
Why go through the lengthy trouble of proving a primary was fair, when you can just point out that there is no law that says they have to be. That’s the result of hiring a good lawyer.
Edit: The same is true for the republican party, the green party, and any other political party in the US.
Actually, what they argued is that
They argued that it was their party and they could anoint whoever party leadership wanted (the phrase “smoke filled room” actually came up) without input from the voters, and you like the results so you’re making excuses.
I notice how you ignored the rest of my comment which establishes this as part of a larger pattern of behavior.
Edit: The same is true for the republican party,
I love how we can’t act like republicans under circumstances where doing so might help constituents, but when the party wants to put its thumb on the scale against progressives, everyone does it so it’s ok.
I didn’t actually like the result of the 2016 primary… But I can also tell when one number is bigger than the other, and I know that rule number one is keep trump out of office and rule number two is vote for your best candidate in the primary, and the least worse candidate in the general.
I notice how you ignored the rest of my comment which establishes this as part of a larger pattern of behavior.
Gotta love you saying this, and then immediately taking part of my comment out of context to create a “gotcha” moment I’d expect to see on Fox News.
I didn’t actually like the result of the 2016 primary…
I’m sorry no one was running to the right of Clinton in the primary.
I know that rule number one is keep trump out of office
Rule 0 is keep progressives out of office, and it takes precedence over rule 1.
Gotta love you saying this, and then immediately taking part of my comment out of context
If you’re going to ignore most of my comment to pretend that democrats run honest primaries after an election cycle in which they denied the voters primaries entirely, don’t expect greater courtesy than you offer.
Welp.
Guess we’ll just go with the felon rapist backed by a party of criminal traitors who are now destroying our economy, flagrantly violating the Constitution, and, oh yeah, executing American citizens in the street.
Seems like the smart thing to do when we’re upset at Dems for, checks notes, not being perfect.
No one is blaming you for her loss if you voted for her, dumbass.
Gaslighting is abuse.
You’re being downvoted by the kind of people that are still crying about Bernie being cheated while being completely unaware that he lost the popular vote in both primaries. They’ve already created their own reality and don’t like it when people try to burst their bubble.
These are people who will throw a fit if a candidate doesn’t blow them even when the other option is a felon rapist backed by a party of criminal traitors.
They’re lost causes and they’re probably going to solidify a fascist party’s permanent control over our federal government.
Yeah, sorry I missed the primaries in 2024, which presidential candidate did you vote for in said primary?
i don’t recall, but i do recall that more candidates than the big 2 were running.
And yet you can’t recall, who voted for the Presidential Candidate in the Democratic Party Primaries…
You know I think you’ll find that all the people who participated in said primaries also can’t recall who they voted for when it came to the Presidential Candidate in said primaries…
Look at what happened to Mamdani.
He… won?
Yes.
IN SPITE OF THE DNC TRYING TO TORPEDO HIM WITH ANDREW “SEX CRIMINAL” CUOMO.
When Democrats say “you should have voted in the primary” what they mean is they’re going to put their thumb on the scale to get their candidate nominated and expect you to vote for them even if they don’t have a single progressive position.
No one owes Democrats their vote. Democrats need to earn votes. You can do that, by, I don’t know, running a progressive candidate. Progressive policies are wildly popular and will win elections. Liberal Democrats won’t. Especially the ones constantly chasing those elusive centrist
donorsvoters.https://nypost.com/2025/03/11/us-news/160-democrats-sign-letter-opposing-andrew-cuomo-as-nyc-mayor/
Oh but those aren’t “real” Democrats eh?
Fucking lying bullshit.
I mean, no, they’re DSA. Part of the wing establishment Dems have repeatedly say they hate more than republicans.
Speak of the devil, here’s a real democrat:
But yes, vote blue no matter who! 🤪
Givesomefucks even gave you the DNC chair endorsing mamdani but keep going off morons.
“Real” Democrats. Stupid dividing bullshit.
They’re laughing at you. They do nothing for you and you vote for them anyway.
That’s literally a metric politicians use among each other — how little can they do for their constituents and still get re-elected.
They mock fellow politicians who do anything for their constituents to get reelected.
I’m not joking.
Is it normal for a senator to endorse a mayoral candidate? Because from what I’ve seen, it’s not.
It’s like saying that the governor didn’t endorse a local dog-catcher.
Is it normal for the head of a political party to endorse his own party’s candidate for mayor of arguably the most important city in the country? Yes.
Is it normal for the head of a political party to repeatedly evade answering who he supports in that mayoral race? No.
But apparently it’s normal for NYC mayors to travel overseas to kiss a shitty wall in a genocidal foreign country and deviating from that is some grave offense to America. It’s apparently normal for a senator to openly represent that same foreign country instead of his own (at least when he’s not advocating for his two invisible right-wing American constituents in his head. I guess that’s normal too).
But a senator endorsing the most important mayor position in the country? How strange and weird.
Your rhetoric elects republicans. You know this right? You’re either a republican or an accelerationist because these are the only results of your position. And you don’t get to wash your hands, you know full well how the system works. You’re effectively a Trump voter.
And your rhetoric ensures nothing ever changes. You’re worse than a Trump voter.
Well, I called that one.
Essplain to me again how Democrats just let the primaries play out naturally. Like they didn’t torpedo Mamdani. Or change the rules and have “superdelegates” overrule the primary that would have elected Bernie over Hilary.
Essplain to me how Democrats are the party of the working people when Clinton signed NAFTA. And welfare reform. And Biden wrote his crime bill. And Obama’s signature act was
HeritagecareRomneycareObamacare. He sat on his hands for two years until the Democratic supermajority disappeared so Republicans could be the bad guys and say no to single-payer in favor of a health care plan literally written by insurance industry lobbyist and fellow Chicagoan Penny Pritzker. And threw regular people under the bus while bailing out banks.Wake up.
DNC tried to sabotage him repeatedly.
Also, during his election campaign the Democrats voted on a Resolution:
“Denouncing the horrors of socialism” (H.Con.Res.58)
Ahead of Zohran Mamdani’s White House visit, 86 Democrats joined Republicans in voting for the resolution.
The Democratic primaries in my state are held in a rural town that’s a 2 hour drive away which contains about 2 % of the state population, instead of 1 of the main cities. They’re also held during the week.
“the left should have a united front and stop dividing itself!”
So… Vote for the one viable opposition party?
“No not like that”
The Democrats are a right-wing party.
They are the secularist wing of the American Capitalist Party, and the Republicans are the theocratic wing.
They aren’t the fucking opposition, and they’re certainly not the fucking left.
the options are either the party currently hurting you or the previous one hurting you
why wont you vote for the ones who constantly say the right things but still actively cause you harm!
Because one causes less harm than the other
That’s their job on the tag team. One side stands for “the right”, it can be Ds or Rs (they have switched sides a couple times).
You’re not stopping one by voting in the other. You’re not preventing harm.
I will vote Democrat in the upcoming election… but know the game, and the players. The Ds aren’t going to fix anything, they are damage control (for now).
Vote D! But open your eyes and watch what they do. It’s a POLL, a barometer.
I mean, yeah. I feel that is shifting though, because now we’ve got MAGA and full on white supremacists in power, so it’s kinda not the same as it was with “oh yeah they are both the same” like the 90s and 00s.
One causes harm and the other says that harm only needs 10% fixing
Choose between broken legs and arms or a lobotomy. One is clearly less harm.
Uh. Yea? I’ll take the broken limbs. Problem?
Cool now you have broken limbs that don’t get repaired properly so either get infected or heal in ways that make them unusable
I’m tired of being stabbed, I’m no longer going to vote being stabbed.
Vote for the one viable opposition party?
Show me an opposition party to vote for.
Lol.
Another low effort post to try to dissuade people from voting, or at least from voting for the only party that can defeat a literal traitor party.
Fuck off.
Vote blue, or get more of what we’re getting now. And I don’t want to hear any dipshits say it would be the same. Cuz that’s a real dipshit thing to say.
Uh Oh you dared to criticize the DNC and now you’ve angered the blue maga. Don’t you know that anyone who questions the neoliberal corporate talking points is the reason fascism is rising and nothing else at all?
Blue maga my ass. How about just being sick and tired of watching things be OBJECTIVELY WORSE now than they would’ve been under Harris?
So it wouldn’t have been a wet-dream progressive paradise. We wouldn’t have a paramilitary force with no oversight murdering people in the streets and putting people in cages, we wouldn’t have women having to travel across state lines under threat of murder charges to get abortions…
But no, it’s not about human dignity… it’s because people really just want to bend over for the DNC. Your take is insane and disingenuous and I’m sick and tired of hearing it. Don’t bother responding - I’m so sick and tired of the absolute nonsense from you people that I abandoned the country and moved out. Enjoy whatever the hell it is you think you’re accomplishing.
The comic is not about making people not vote. The original context is Lucy yoinking the ball every time Charlie tries to kick it. They’re calling out the DNC for being a manipulative dickhead that refuses to do their job and breaks promises despite trying to vote for them at every turn. Don’t blame progressives for allegedly not voting, because they ARE voting. The DNC is the one who isn’t doing SHIT despite being voted for to DO something.
lol all that whining and you didn’t even stay in the country.
How about just being sick and tired of watching things be OBJECTIVELY WORSE now than they would’ve been under Harris?
Those of us who voted for her and tried to warn you that genocide was a losing issue are tired of being blamed for her loss.
No one is blaming you for her loss if you voted for her, dumbass.
You sound like a conservative with all the victimhood.
Have you considered that things get pretty complicated when one of your most valuable allies starts doing fucked up shit? Abandon them and lose the allegiance and MAYBE win an election? Remain an ally while voicing your disapproval and hope that voters grasp that a felon rapist and party of traitors is far worse for the nation?
Complicated.
But it’s easy for you, just call everyone genociders. You voted for her dipshit. You’re a genocider too as far as you’re concerned. Go punish yourself.
No one is blaming you for her loss if you voted for her, dumbass.
Dude, read the thread you’re in. We’ve got at least one person calling me a pedo because I had a problem with genocide.
Genocidal centrists: “You can vote for a candidate without supporting everything they stand for!”
Also genocidal centrists:
You voted for her dipshit. You’re a genocider too as far as you’re concerned. Go punish yourself.
You’re carrying water for her. You don’t have to. But she supported genocide and that’s all you’re about.
Everyone I disagree with loves genocide!
It’s not unfair to say that people who carry water for candidates who support genocide long after the election is over support genocide, since they’re still supporting genocidal candidates when nothing else is at stake.
This I can somewhat agree with. Thats why I said we need a new method of voting. Supporting someone for being “less murdery” is insane. It doesnt mean you or I, who voted for (despite having issues with) Harris, are evil or support genocide.
Undefined centrist democrats are also not a monolith, saying they all have the same opinions says a lot of weird stuff about you that Im sure arent true. You just havent thought about how youre classifying “enemies” or how you view groups who generally disagree with you.
Its like hating pizza because some of them have pineapples on them, or because some are too cheesy. Well, thats a chill version at least.
Unless supporting genocide and wanting to be represented by genocidal monsters is the only qualifier? Id agree with you there, but still say tone down the agressive “you must like genocide” meter.
Fuck off loser
I think they sat out or voted third party in 2024, and they are just not capable of facing the reality of the consequences of their action (or inaction).
I truly think it’s a sort of defense mechanism. They cannot accept that they may be partially responsible, therefore they must be correct and everyone else is “blue MAGA” or whatever.
It’s sad, actually. And super destructive.
I voted for Stein
Trump appreciates your support.
A vote for third parties is a vote for Trump?
Can you people make an argument without instantly resorting to (the same, tired) straw men? It’s honestly uncanny.
Can you people make an argument without instantly resorting to (the same, tired) straw men?
There’s a user on this thread saying that criticism of genocide is literal pedophilia, and this is what you’ve chosen to have a problem with.
blue maga
On the top 10 list of dumbest things you can say online.
the GOP are too dangerous right now
Right now? When are they NOT dangerous?
Americans need to organize themselves out of 2 party system. It’s the only way and funnily enough - it would be a much more of an american system because US is all about competition, right?
The two sides are not equal. There is a lesser of two “evils”.
Vote. Vote in local things. Spend a few minutes reading about encumbants or ballot measures. Don’t be spurred to inaction.
Do you know the context of the original comic by any chance?
It’s a running gag in Peanuts. Lucy invites Charlie to kick the football, and without fail she pulls it away as he tries to kick it and he ends up on his ass. The joke being that Charlie is either an eternal optimist or just gullible, and Lucy is a bitch.
Outside of the context that the football is always pulled away. Nah. I was a Calvin and Hobbes guy.
Yes, and that’s the important context. The lesson isn’t that Charlie should stop kicking the football (aka voting). It’s that Lucy should stop being a little bitch and yoinking it away every time he tries to kick (aka the DNC making false promises and not doing their job).
Yeah, but we can’t control Lucy’s actions. I mean, I’d advocate for violent insurrection if it was reasonable to suggest, but I’d advocate for voting in local elections before that.
Yeah, but we can’t control Lucy’s actions.
This would be more convincing without all the hate for Chuck when he’s flat on his back having tried to kick the football.
At some point, ‘next election’ can’t keep replacing real action people need right now.
Anyone have that ratcheting effect graphic lol?
As long as everyone collectively doesn’t decide to primary every incumbent corporate Democrat and put a progressive in their places, this will keep happening. So far a bunch of them have already won. We need more.
Anyways, the comic context is that Lucy is taking the ball away before Charlie can kick it. This isn’t about not doing anything. It’s about the DNC manipulating the voters into doing what they want and then yanking away their promise.
I hate this sentiment it’s such propaganda
