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This.
I know Harris and Clinton are controversial but they were two of the most qualified candidates to ever run, who happen to be women. Yet, somehow, the biggest moron on the planet defeated both of them. That moron only lost to the oldest man to ever take office, up to that point.
I’ve long held the belief that we’ll get over racism before we get over sexism.
I will admit there were a lot of things that went into those elections but sexism was definitely one of them.
Careful, there’s a lot of morons on lemmy that would rather live in a fascist state than vote for a candidate that isn’t 100% perfect.
Entirely too many people let perfect be the enemy of better
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But if she said she would have done things differently, it would have been played as disloyalty and the media would have a field day accusing her of hating her former boss and admitting to doing a terrible job. It was a lose-lose question.
Shhhh, we don’t like this kind of rationality here
I mean… we were doing much better than everyone else. Changing nothing is preferred to whatever the fuck this is!
Hey buddy, you don’t like the word Fuck, but you’ll call everyone else a moron? Maybe look in the mirror and stop being a dense fucking idiot.
As the saying goes:
If you find yourself constantly surrounded by assholes…you might be the asshole.
Inherited a nearly crashed economy partly due to the absolute inept bungling of a pandemic by the previous orange turd, and they had to spend 4 years getting the country and economy running while simultaneously trying to rebuild the US’s reputation on the world stage while the reds did absolutely everything they could to prevent Biden from passing meaningful legislation for the sole purpose of making him look bad.
But yeah…blame her for not doing anything different.
Oh I will.
That’s what a reasonable person does when a leader spends four years ignoring a cost of living crisis.
She and Biden made sure Israel got their aid and their WMDs though.
Right. Not like trump, who is being very tough on Israel 🙄
Great response: “Our guy is as bad as their guy.”
when a leader spends four years ignoring a cost of living crisis.
Are you talking about Biden?
The U.S. was recovering faster than other 1st world nations under Biden. Dude invested heavily in clean energy. He had a solid job creation record. He was forgiving student loans. He was trying to get medical debt off credit reports.
Were you asleep during his presidency? Cuz it sure seems like a significant number of Americans were.
So vote for the guy who doesn’t even know what the word ‘grocery’ means. That makes sense.
Look, I know you don’t want to hear it, but Trump delivered a direct and simple message for how he was going to lower your cost of living. He delivered it in a way that even someone with an 8th grade education can understand. It’s why he won and Harris lost.
Trump’s message to white voters was simple: “I will make your life better. I will deport millions of brown people. That will lower housing costs and raise wages.”
Now, economists can point out fatal flaws with this message, but that’s irrelevant. What matters in politics is he made a compelling case to voters why voting for him would improve their lives. It was an evil method meant to appeal to racists, but it was at least a method. Harris had nothing comparable.
Come on. You should have realized the problem here when you read “the boy who cried wolf.”
2020 Biden: “Trump is a Nazi, vote for me!” 2020-2024 Biden: “I couldn’t possibly order the criminal prosecution of my Republican opponent!” 2024 Harris: “Trump is a Nazi, vote for me!”
This is why Harris lost. Her core campaign message was completely undermined by Biden’s actions. To the average voter, the Democrats looked like hyperventilating drama queens who slander their opponents as fascists. Now, I understand that Trump absolutely does meet the definition of being a fascist. But Democrats proved that they clearly weren’t willing to take the fascist threat seriously. Democrats didn’t treat Republicans like Nazis. Therefore, voters didn’t believe them.
Remember. Actions speak louder than words. If the other side are Nazis, but your own actions demonstrate that you don’t consider them a threat, you cannot then expect voters to take you entirely truthful claims about them being Nazis seriously.
The GOP propaganda machine made the situation damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
I mean General Harris should have simply not ordered the IDF to do a genocide!
If the genocide was already ongoing under a Democrat, then it’s not fascism, it’s just sparkling authoritarianism.
“I want 100% of my demands met or I’m taking my ball and going home.” - Asshole Losers
Except some asshole takes your ball and punches you while going home.
But but but both sides! Kamala would have been worse than Trump in every way shape possible. Because… both sides!
/s I really hate people who argue both sides are the same. It just reduces voter turnout and republicans win when less people vote.
Qualified how exactly?
Harris couldn’t make it out of Iowa when she tried a legitimate run and Clinton had to rig primaries to win against Bernie. (A practice Dems were later forced to defend in a public court proceeding.)
You’re mixing up qualifications with elect-ability. They are not the same thing. Both women were very qualified for the job. That has nothing to do with whether or not people like, or are willing to vote, for them. Given your other comments, I’m guessing this isn’t a mistake on your part, but run of the mill disingenuous internet troll behavior.
You fuckin people still going on about how it was rigged when you just don’t understand either how it works in the first place and also that Bernie overwhelmingly lost to Hilary because he’s not a fuckin Democrat, of course Democrats are going to pick the Democrat to represent the Democrats, and the primary was legit and it wasn’t remotely fuckin close. Progressives don’t vote, and they didn’t show up or register to vote for him in the primary and he fuckin overwhelmingly lost. Take your russian republican propaganda bullshit and fuck off fuckin fascist supporter.
I respect the shit out of Bernie, but I’m beyond fucking tired of people whining about him.
He lost the popular vote in both primaries.
He wasn’t as popular as the people still whining about it think he was.
Shit yeah, I campaigned for him and voted for him in the primary and still wasn’t surprised that he overwhelmingly lost, like it wasn’t even close. That was democratic primary voters that picked Hillary, any finger on the scales the DNC had wasn’t making a significant difference. DNC could have backed Bernie and he still would have lost. Democratic primary voters are almost exclusively liberals, I’ve already mentioned a thousand times us progressives mostly don’t vote.
Neolib apologists downvoting you lol fuck this site, it’s turning into reddit the same way reddit got noticeably dumber when digg imploded itself
Qualified in terms of education and experience, not policy or public appeal.
What do you think qualifies a person for office exactly?
Harris couldn’t make it out of Iowa when she tried a legitimate run and Clinton had to rig primaries to win against Bernie.
It’s astounding she managed to rig all the independent polling too.
2020 Biden: “Vote for me, Trump is a Nazi!” 2020-2024 Biden: “we can’t prosecute our political opposition, that would set a horrible precedent!” 2024 Harris: “Vote for me, Trump is a Nazi!”
Actions speak louder than words. The average voter didn’t believe Trump was a Nazi because Biden never treated Trump like a Nazi.
Qualified for war crimes and genocide? Yes, overqualified. Now downvote me, bend over and spread your cheeks, October is coming. You need to be prepared.
Молодец, товарищ, это вызовет большой раскол.
Clinton was certainly qualified. Senator and Secretary of State make great qualifications. The other one eh…
Bill Clinton isn’t a woman, silly!
That’s because the issue isn’t just candidates not adequately reaching voters. It’s that American voters are fantastically stupid and, in many cases, also fantastically bigoted.
So take a candidate that’s open to being publicly bigoted and throw in some pretty obvious propaganda and watch the drooling masses perform a historic blunder.
Imagine if Americans, men and women, weren’t political morons with the education of a 4yo.
Seriously, living in flyover country the average person is so much more fuckin stupid than you think. The average American adult is incapable of critical thinking and is functionally illiterate. I knew people were fuckin dumb twenty years ago in school but holy shit it’s so much worse now.
I think it wasn’t as acceptable to be willfully ignorant back then. Stupid people were shamed (rightfully) into silence in serious discussions. But now we have a president who speaks at a 4th grade reading level, so dumb fucks feel free to screech about everything, whether they have a modicum of understanding or not.
is so much more fuckin stupid than you think
When I read things like this I believe it.
Education of a 4 year old, but the malice of an 80 yelling at his neighbors kids for touching his lawn.
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- Harris unveils economic agenda to combat soaring grocery and housing prices - PBS
- Fact-checking economic claims Trump and Harris made at debate - ABC
She talked about rising costs just about every chance she got. It was debated in the Presidential Debate. It was part of her stump speeches. Everyone knew it was the main thing voters were focused on. It wasn’t a secret. These took 5-minutes to find.
These took 5-minutes to find.
Yes, but it takes even less time to not look things up and default to whining instead.
It’s a good thing we voted for someone smarter than that, and didn’t just file our vote under “I don’t care”, right?
Holy hyperbole. Who the hell is working 100 hours a week and is still homeless?
You’d actually be surprised but that’s not the point. The issue is that guy’s take is full of shit, Harris’ platform did specifically address the affordability crisis but a shocking number of Americans are stupid enough to actually believe democrats and republicans are the same in spite of all evidence and so we get dipass takes like that.
Yeah I mentioned that in another reply to this same guy - she actually had policies to help these specific problems. I don’t remember exactly what they were but there was one to help first time home buyers and another to help with grocery store prices.
a shocking number of Americans are stupid enough to actually believe democrats and republicans are the same in spite of all evidence
This is the thing that makes me more depressed about the future of America than anything else.
This is not some ambiguous thing. There are MOUNTAIN RANGES, SOLAR SYSTEMS, GALACTIC REGIONS of evidence proving beyond any shadow of a doubt that both parties are not the same, but a terrifying number of Americans still believe it. Because they can’t be bothered to sit down and do their homework.
These people do not exist in reality and I’m not sure what can bring them back to it.
As if the professional managerial class doesn’t have their own intellectual short comings when it comes to politics. For a group thet despises Marxist Lenninism, they sure love being the vanguard
Trump was right. I voted for Harris and the economy is much worse now. I am sorry.
Imagine it was a black man
In a tan suit
Eating spicy mustard
Riding a bicycle
With a loving wife and family
Bombing brown people overseas
first time i’ve seen a cake on the threadiverse i think
happy cake day
We don’t have to imagine.
Obama was instrumental in making sure the forever War on Terror continued unabated.
Pretty sure the right wouldn’t give a shit as long as she was fucking with minorities as hard as the Trump admin is
Christy Noem disagrees. They’re just as sexist as they are racist.
They are keeping Kash so far, they might hate women even more.
They’re fine making either serve, just not allowing them full membership in the protected class.
Serve, but more critically be readily available scapegoats to discard.
'…all while swiping huge piles of money out of uncle sam’s wallet"
Chicks, amirite fellas?
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You and everyone that thinks like you is responsible for Trump winning. Congratulations MAGAt.
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You and people like you, yes.
When you do work to get republicans elected, like you’re doing right now, then yes it’s your fault explicitly. Being too stupid to understand that cause and effect does not absolve you of your responsibility.
Is my policy shit? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.
Yes. Let’s keep absolving voters for the most obvious voting blunder in American history.
Let’s keep absolving voters for going with the twice impeached convicted felon and adjudicated rapist with one failed presidency under his belt instead of the highly educated non-criminal but admittedly milquetoast alternative.
Voters don’t have any responsibility, right?
Do you also blame workers for the actions of their CEOS?
Workers don’t elect their CEOs, so this comparison doesn’t work.
No one voted to nominate Harris either. So what’s your point?
Can you show me with quotes when I said the voters don’t have any responsibility?
I just said that the DNC has a shit conservative platform. That’s blaming the DNC, not voters.
At some point, if you choose the fascist pedo felon over literally anything, including Bush term 4, its on you
Where did I say I chose that?
I mean Harris’ policy did explicitly address most of the concerns everyday Americans have but the overwhelming majority of them, including apparently you, don’t have any idea what her actual policies were, they just repeat what fox news told them to think.
I followed her campaign closely. The only policy she had was a first time homeowner credit that was written so almost no one would qualify for it, and it would have only served to bid home prices up even further.
And clearly Harris’s policies did not meet the concerns of everyday Americans, as she lost to one of the least qualified candidates in American history.
I know this is very painful to accept. But Trump actually spoke more to the issues of the American people than Harris did. Compare the messages:
Trump: I will improve your standard of living by deporting millions of brown people. This will ease the housing supply and tighten the labor market, thereby helping the average white person.
Harris: you’re imagining the inflation you’re experiencing. I don’t give a fuck about your opinions on Gaza; your voice doesn’t matter. Vote for me unless you want the Nazi to win.
And then people wonder why she lost. Trump actually talked to the needs of the average voter. He had a concrete plan on how to help his base. That plan was evil and abominable, but he actually made a compelling case. Kamala didn’t even try.
It turns out “I don’t give a shit about you, vote for me or the Nazi will win” is a strategy you can only pull so many times. It’s been the Democratic campaign message for every election for my whole adult life. And at this point it’s lost all effectiveness.
The real problem was that you can’t run on the other guy being a Nazi after your side just refused to bring them to justice. Biden ran on “the other guy is a Nazi.” But once in power, he didn’t treat them like you’re supposed to treat Nazis. His campaign message was that Trump was a unique threat, but he treated them like ordinary political opposition once he was in office.
Actions speak louder than words. Harris tried to run a campaign that was directly countered by Biden’s actions for the last four years. What was the average voter supposed to conclude but that Democrats were lying about Trump being a Nazi?
This is a condemnation of the average American. We failed an open book test and here you are saying it’s not our fault. Yeah buddy it is.
I think you just like blaming voters. You’re demonstrating the same political proclivities as a Republican who blames the homeless for being homeless. After all, poor people should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? If they’re poor, it’s their own fault. Why consider any other factors when we could just call lazy people lazy?
Spoken like someone who doesn’t have to shop for their own groceries.
I haven’t watched Fox News since the early 90’s. Wanna cool up a new fantasy about who I am again? It’s very entertaining for me.
I assume people that repeat stupid republican bullshit are stupid republicans. This seems like a you problem.
Saying “I disagree with weak neoliberal policy instead of progressive reforms” is republican now. Interesting. Thanks for the entertainment!
I haven’t watched Fox News since the early 90’s.
Then what’s your excuse?
My excuse for what?
Congrats on being on the extreme minority that thinks killing and raping children is morally justified.
And what in the actual fuck do you think you’re talking about?
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What a stupid shitty fuckin troll account.
I’m sorry you’re too stupid to understand people can criticize your chosen pedophile representative.
This isn’t the flex you think it is. You think you’re saying how much smarter you are to not be tricked but what you are really saying is your leaders can’t win without help from the people you despise.
I’m not flexing. I’m saying most Americans are incredibly stupid. I’m saying a full third of us are outright bigot fascists that actively want to say slurs in public and hate crime minorities. I’m saying another full third of us (you’re in this group) are too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected. Of the remaining third, most don’t vote in Dem primaries so we have no progressive condition. I’m saying that the American Federal government is largely representative of the average American that is too stupid or mean to just vote in their own best interest (which yes for my entire life has meant explicitly voting democrat in every election). You are the American that has earned and deserves Trump. Reevaluate your priorities.
I voted for Harris, try again. I am at least willing to recognize where her campaign could have done better, because like you, I recognize we need those voters who went 3rd party (or stayed at home) in order to win. Unlike you, I hold leadership accountable for failing to inspire an electorate large enough to win.
Register if needed to vote in the primaries and get everyone you know to do that too and always vote for progressives in the primaries. That’s how you hold leadership accountable, by gaining the actual power to replace it. The democratic party is not a coalition of leftists and progressives. It’s a big tent party filled with everyone from nazi adjacent to the closest thing to a socialist American politics can muster. If all us leftists and progressives actually fuckin voted and otherwise engaged in the electoral process we’d have an actual opposition party. Till then the political reality is that every vote that isn’t for a democrat is explicitly for maga, and repeating fox news criticisms of democrats helps elect republicans.
I vote in the primaries but last I checked there was no primary for harris to be POTUS in the last election cycle. And no, repeating valid criticisms of democrats does not automatically mean you are helping Republicans win. To think that requires a staggering amount of cynicism towards voters that one wonders why you are even trying to reason with said voters
Whats a "D next to a candidates name even mean anymore? Besides limping a system along which doesnt care about any of my issues and sends my taxes to a nazi theocratic foreign country to shoot little starving kids in the head for sport. We need to keep all this going in its current form you are saying, cant allow it to change or fall apart or we’re …bad voters?
Well I’ll be sure to hustle to the polls and make sure I cast my vote for all the “D” branded genociders. Blue no matter who right. Because that will get this system working for me for a change, right? That will get the bribe-taking DNC centrists who have been utterly ignoring the voters to care about their voters again? if we just shut up, sit down, demand nothing, and do what we’re told?
edit: Yeah thats right, downvote and run away. Theres at least a shred of honesty in your lack of response, if not your original posting.
You’re either an idiot or an accelerationist and either way don’t deserve to be taken seriously.
Being AIPACS buttboy makes you the smart one eh. OK buddy, sure thing.
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…too stupid or self absorbed to acknowledge that third party and non voters directly contribute to republicans getting elected.
yeah, don’t all those gun-toting, small-government Libertarian voters know that they owe it to the Democrat party to vote for their candidate so their evil Republican enemy can’t win?
I mean unless you’re stupid you learned that’s how it worked in high school. But you have to be stupid to take libertarianism seriously in the first place.
It’s ironic that you can’t resist using misogynistic language even as you deny misogyny was a factor.
Imagine someone denying race was a factor while calling her the nword.
IIRC she had outlined some policies in her platform that would have helped with that.
Like the $50,000 tax break for small business owners? Lol
That’s pretty specific for an outline
There was essentially no policy to help with cost of living. That’s what I’m trying to point out. That was one of the bullshit policies she was running with. And I fuckin voted for her lol
And I fuckin voted for her lol
Good. You did the least stupid thing you could have done in the last election.
I did, too. It was the first time I had ever voted to keep someone else out of the chair. So stupid
Sometimes that’s the way you have to play the game.
Most voters decided to play it stupid. And now here we are.
well policy wise, she did talk about praying and loving her glock. Centrists like to pretend that never happened. She could reach out to the republican-lites about what they wanted to hear but she had not a single care for the priorities of the massive number of progressive voters. And for all that bending over to the “independents” she got almost nothing for the effort and lost massively from her base voters.
Clearly the DNC plans to try that again, and they will lose again. To Rubio, Shapiro or eric trump …or someone else who is almost comically unqualified and impossible to lose to.
I mean politicians always have great ideas until they get elected.
Her and her flying monkeys also gaslit the American people. There was very much a “speak no evil, hear no evil” head-in-the-sand attitude to her whole campaign. The campaign, and liberals on social media, just kept blindly parroting the official CPI figures. They would scream down and downvote to oblivion anyone who dared go against the party line, pointing out the well known flaws of the CPI measurement.
Liberals believe in manifesting. It’s the “power of positive thinking” taken to the extreme, into the realm of toxic positivity. Their belief system is that if you believe a thing hard enough, and if you prevent anyone from saying anything to the contrary, the universe will conspire to make your desired reality come into being. If you shout down any negative criticism, you will win.
That’s what the Harris campaign was like. It was horribly flawed. It had a number of campaign positions that made Harris completely unelectable. They tried to vibe their way to victory. Unfortunately, manifesting isn’t real, and they smacked right into the hard unyielding wall of reality.
“Concept of a plan” is way better than whatever was in the Dems election program.
People can’t read, intelligence is on a normal distribution. You know where that poster above you is on that curve.
She did, Biden did too - that inflation wave after covid was inevitable after reopening from covid, and then they got it under control but for some reason everyone ignored that and voted for trump saying “lower prices on day one”
Another one kamala had no platform besides not trump – also not true she talked about all her policies she has the website with like a thousand different policies – but nobody wanted to see that the media just made the election about trump.
At the end of the day, trump is the president we deserve as a people, we love wrestling and crypto and gambling more than we love affordable housing and healthcare. Maybe not you specifically, and me certainly not, but the average american, that’s what they want. this whitehouse ufc event is gonna do bigger numbers than any Mayweather fight ever. That’s what the people chose.
Trump literally ran without a platform both times. The RNC basically said, “Whatever he wants is our platform.” So it’s understandable why Dems thought Kamala could get away without talking about the party’s platform. They were trying to match the vibes-based campaign model.
She talked about her platform a lot, if the media only highlighted a 15 second paragraph about trump, that’s not on her. That’s on the media and the people being obsessed with trump, positively or negatively.
“I have no empathy…no empathy.”
“No you’re only getting 600 because we decided to include the last payments which ads up to $1,200 so we’re keeping our promise technically.”
That’s pretty much what people remember about Biden’s concern for their financial woes.
Nope. You’re wrong.
There’s alot of factors that led to where we are now.
It’s not simple at all actually.
Because anyone paying attention knows that Democrats are always better for our economy. So anyone bitching about the cost of living had a really easy decision to make in 2024.
Democrats may be better for traditional markers of the economy, but 50 years of neoliberalism from both parties has resulted in a K-shaped economy. One that is great if you already have wealth (which is what things like GDP and inflation tell you), but one that is terrible and getting worse if you are a regular person. Neither party has done anything to actually fix the systemic issues that caused this, so when status-quo Dems claim to be better for working people, we can all see that for the lie it is.
it’s that simple
Sure thing bud
“Proof that women shouldn’t run for office”
That’s what the response would be.
Tired: men/women shouldn’t run for president
Wired: there shouldn’t be a president
Would Obama still available at that point for a “Thanks Obama” ?
Back when we had a president who could take a joke
Oh yes.
Love it when people pretend that Democrats support something because they offered a sound byte. 🤟😎
What mattered was that they didn’t do anything meaningful to solve the problem.
Exactly.
Biden November 2020: “Vote for me, the other guy is a Nazi!” Biden January 2021: “I couldn’t possibly order the prosecution of my political opponent, best to just move on!” Harris November 2024: “Vote for me, the other guy is a Nazi!”
Actions speak louder than words. If you don’t treat the Nazis like they’re actually Nazis, people will not believe you when you say the other guys are Nazis.
Depends.
Is this woman overtly bigoted and does she constantly demonize half of U.S. citizens?
If so, then she’d have staunch support of all conservative voters regardless of what else she does.
Nope. Nobody voted for Nikki Haley in the primaries.
Can’t, too hard to imagine a woman president in America.
Trump a women confirmed
Haven’t you seen those pics of his old mom…it’s him
It’s not a ballroom
The “ballroom” is the facade they plan to put on top as camouflage.
Ballroom, torment nexus. Tomato, tomäto really
