The only reason I ever gave clothing away was when my fat ass got even fatter and didn’t fit anymore.
Oh and when I finally left the consultant lifestyle behind me and gave away all my suits.
This isn’t a gender thing, it’s a working-class thing. Let’s not get divided unnecessarily divided.
Huh? Which part is strictly a working class thing?
There’s a large spectrum between “I’ll wear it until it falls apart,” and, “I’ve never worn this but I need space for new clothes so it’s going to goodwill,” and working class people fall all over it.
Women generally tend to be the ones who will more frequently refresh their wardrobe. All you have to do is go to a thrift store to see the difference between genders. The women’s clothing section will be massive, and the men’s section significantly smaller.
My son loves the goodwill women’s section. I swear that kids gonna be a fashion designer or a runway model… if I can keep his ass outta jail lol 😓
I get what you are saying. But in this context this is kind of like a “dad joke.” Do we think being pedantic about the terminology is really reinforcing some kind of negative gender stereotype here? Or minimizing the working class?
Lemmy cannot stand jokes while we currently live in a world.
I will never cease to be amazed about what people on Lemmy can get offended at. Today it’s a lame joke about old clothes.
I’m offended by your amazment of…
Yaaaay, my mom never ever throw a shirt, clothes are so expensive, she couldn’t afford a new one every time she does anything that could damage them.
(Tbh, I do the same for the same reasons)
This is the cycle even for me and I’m independently wealthy. Wealthy as a horse, if you will.
(I have many leatherbound books.)
More like a manual labor thing tbh. Plenty of working class folks who are no less working class but don’t need to cycle through clothes
Meanwhile companies like Shein encourage their customers to wear their cheap synthetic clothing a single time and then throw it in the garbage as a sacrifice to the gods of super-fast-fashion
encourage their customers to wear their cheap synthetic clothing a single time and then throw it in the garbage
do you have a single fact to back that up?
spoiler
I just wanted to make the Deus ex reference. But I would like to see evidence
The fast fashion part?
https://time.com/6247732/shein-climate-change-labor-fashion/
The encouraging a single use part? Also in that article, but it revolves around influencers driving constant change. But also the clothes being really cheap and falling apart.
And anecdotally, there’s a pile of clothes in my wife’s closet that still haven’t gotten their first wear.
OK, I’ll put that under “exaggeration for emphasis”.
Yeah, I was a exaggerating a bit, but the waste of clothing and environmental damage is real. I saw it in a documentary. And Shein’s website is (or used to be) full of greenwashing.
Here’s a video essay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6R_WTDdx7I
Chew you havisfaction a singleicious satisfact to snack that up?
Encourage, or just enable?
I’ve never heard of Shein telling anyone to do it. I just know their prices are so goddamn cheap you COULD do it if you wanted to. Some people probably do. But I suspect a lot of people just want cheap clothes and will wear them until they have holes in them (which even for Shein clothes has to be multiple wearings usually I’m pretty sure)
Having gotten some Temu clothing as gifts, there are two main materials I’ve seen. One feels very much like a rough cotton, like the material harem pants are made of, and is mainly in the shorts/pants I’ve gotten. It’s a cotton poly blend, and one is the material of the shirts. They’re super stretchy and elastic, like a spandex almost. The pants and shorts end up with holes quickly as they rip near (but not on) the seams, and the shirts seem to actually last even if snagged because of how stretchy they are.
I wouldn’t advise buying from them or anything, just saying that they’re not exactly single use.
In the German documentary I’ve watched a few years ago it definitely looked like their business model was selling their customers insane amounts of cheaply produced clothing by encouraging them to change their outfit super-often, hence the term “fast fashion”. They even pay influencers to promote this wasteful trend as “Shein hauls”. And they steal designa from artists
Which only further encourages the existing tendency for single-use clothing that some groups of people exhibit.
One slightly different path here is socks. If a sock lives long enough for its elastic to wear out it can go to “garage clothes” category. Socks missing a mate can also go here being pair up with another sock with a missing mate. Another path for socks to “garage clothes” is if fashion trends finally evolving so far that wearing those socks will get admonishment from the gf/wife if worn out in public. However, as soon as a sock has a hole in it, it skips the “garage clothes” step and heads straight to the “rags” category.
I don’t know what it is but no matter how nice of socks I get or how well I take care of them, they will get a hole in the big toe area within a year at the very latest. I’ve never had socks last long enough to have the elastic wear out
Also yes my nails are kept short so it’s not that
Ever heard of Darn Tough socks? Expensive per pair, but they come with a lifetime guarantee.
I’m here with you. Do you feel like you have exceptionally hard nails? I sure do.
I almost never wear out the toes. For me its balls of the feet holes or occasionally a heel hole. I’ll also say that my socks last a long time.
I bought a 12 new pairs of Adidas socks for a 2 week trip I took. Came home with 2 fewer socks because I put holes in the toes. It’s absolutely insane and it happens with all brands.
Really high quality brands like SmartWool last longer, but the big toe is still what fails first.
We just threw out a whole pack of adidas socks. After just a few house of wear, made both me and my wife’s feet smell like 3 day old road kill. We decided it was some shitty blend of plastics doing it.
I had to walk down an embankment to a river to wash my feet before bed on a camping trip because I didn’t want them in the tent with us.
I have that problem too with polyester socks. I may have those same adidias socks, and I primarily use them for gym/workouts. My daily driver socks are cotton in the summer and merino wool in the winter. Both of these are Costco branded and are lasting years and wearing well.
You’re probably walking wrong (like, in a requiring orthotics way)
Cutting my toenails shorter did the trick for me.
Shoes too tight? Or maybe on one foot.
And for underwear the path is “maybe I’ll get laid” then “still no holes so I can be seen in them” and finally “I’m not going out today so I don’t care that one of my balls fell out through the hole”. And then rags.
Reading this thread has taught me that when I have a girl over and she tells me that I am not a normal male, I really had no idea how much I didn’t do as a male that other men do all the time….
I wear all of my clothes until they show clear signs of being worn out and then determine whether that it should be donated or trashed. And i have one shirt then I’ll probably never throw away and it’s one that I’ve had since the 80s, my goonies shirt.
Fr, Gooning was a thing in the eighties?? /s
I avoid step two by just never wearing matching socks.
I avoid it by only buying the same type of sock so all socks are matching socks. One develops a hole, it gets thrown out but goes back into the magical pool of socks
Nah, maybe how it once was and now I only wear Darn Tough socks. Lifetime warranty, basically a sock club. Most definitely buy once cry once and it doesn’t matter whether you pay full price or get them on sale. They always warranty the value of the sock on what they sell for on their website. It’s so awesome. I haven’t needed to buy socks since 2017 when I filled my sock drawer.
DT is the way.
Nah, maybe how it once was and now I only wear Darn Tough socks.
You’re wearing a $20-$30 pair of socks to mow the lawn or change the oil in a car? I’d be worried about messing those nice socks up.
I have about 25 pair, unsure exactly. I’ve paid an average $14 per pair and it’s 100% worth it.
And yes, I wear a fresh pair for work or daily engagement and then they get set aside and used when I’m working around the house for a day or two.
The wool blend makes them never stink, it’s pretty amazing. I bought the majority in 2016 or so from a now debunked website called MassDrop. They’d buy stuff in bulk for discounts then resell them at great prices. I just checked my old emails and paid two pair for $28 and three for $41. Later I bought a few more from GoBros.com for at least 25% off. Checking my emails I got most of them from MassDrop though.
Here’s the thing, DT doesn’t care how much you paid or how you got them, they credit the full value upon return and then you shop direct from their website for value credited. When I first started I’d used the rertuns like sock club, I’d send my thick winter ones back in the spring and get thinner summer ones. I’d do the reverse in the fall. My first few years I was swapping out socks twice a year. Now I have enough I wait until the ankle is loose on a few pairs then return in bulk to replace, every 3 years or so.
You don’t need any excuse or reason to do a return that they need. You don’t need a receipt.
I’d be worried about messing those nice socks up
That’s the best part, because they’re warrantied you can abuse tf out of them.
Socks missing a mate can also go here being pair up with another sock with a missing mate.
I do not match my socks, I’ll wear two completely different socks at the same time. If one loses a mate, then that’s fine
I know it’s irrational, but I feel “off balance” if I wear mismatched socks 😭
“Garage clothes” is a peculiar way to say “make loads of cool sock puppets”
My dad still uses tshirts from the 80’s as rags
This is quite accurate.
The life cycle is pretty similar for pants too.
My favorite shirt is sitting on the top shelf of my closet because I can’t bring myself to downgrade it to a rag. It has a hole on the armpit that I could fit through😂
I’ve started retiring sentimental shirts early so they don’t wear down like that. They aren’t really shirts anymore, but shirt-like objects tied to memories.
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle in the form of men’s clothing.
I’m a very middle aged dad, I still have t-shirts from high school that I wear on occasion. Granted, they are in the survivor pile now, but it’s a point of pride that I still have them, and still fit into them. Fun to dust off my old concert t’s every now and again.
That’s exactly how I manage my clothes.
Do women not do that? Where do they get rags from?
They get married.
I’m single, maybe some of You ladies need a good source of rags?
From rags to bitches
From bags to witches
You forgot the stage after garage clothes, that would be PJs. Then it gets turned into a rag.
They can also be turned into crop tops
That’s make sense🤔
Is “you women” bothering anybody else or is it just me?
The context of a dad talking to his daughter in a private text message. Its likely used as a phrase of endearment referring to his wife and daughter. He’s not speaking to about public women he doesn’t know.
That context still bugs me. I have lesbian parents, I’d still never say to them ‘you women’.
Do you ever smile and call anyone you love and “asshole” or a “bitch” sarcastically when you are joking and happy with them when there is full respect and zero malice? Or perhaps more generally, if someone were to look into your private text messages with your parents could anything you say be taken out of context and be displayed as disrespectful?
No, I don’t even know how you could do that, and even if I did what the fuck does that have to do with pointlessly gendering people?
Since you edited yours I guess I’ll edit mine: first these text messages aren’t private that’s why we’re talking about them, second no I don’t disrespect people on purpose even privately, third what do my text messages have to do with pointlessly gendering people?
Then that’s why you don’t get it. Context is super important and there are people, a lot of people, of any gender or sexuality, that like to banter with people they are familiar with. Pointlessly gendering his daughter is the bloody point! Intentionally annoying people you are close with for kicks is fun. I’m not gonna say you aren’t fun but please let others in their private context have their kind of harmless fun too.
In the internet talking to the whole world I would agree, weird punching down. But in a close friends or healthy family environment? It’s fine.
If I were to have written such a thing I’d expect something like “yeah that’s why you men have no style, it’s all office shirts 🤮”. It’s just banter.
It’s possible to give somebody a good natured ribbing without using “women” as a pejorative term, and if you think that opinion makes me unfun then by all means go ahead and think that.
and if you think that opinion makes me unfun then by all means go ahead and think that.
Then I believe you are unfun or rather your sense of humor is limited. Alternately, I also accept that perhaps English isn’t your first language and much of humor is mixed with advance language understanding.
It’s possible to give somebody a good natured ribbing without using “women” as a pejorative term,
This feels like we’re deep into ThatstheJoke.jpg territory, but when a term that has an obvious pejorative usage exists, and it is used by a speaker you know doesn’t hold that pejorative opinion, then the joke gains another level of humor that the speaker is communicating the opinion they are stating can be considered jokingly dumb as though someone stupid that would use the term as a pejorative would hold that opinion. Its a method of communication that telegraphs the joking context to the recipient.
In this case it is extremely unlikely the Dad uses the “you women” ever as a pejorative. So the only reason he would use it is as a joke. He’s telling the daughter “hey, joke incoming using hyperbole of gender stereotypes here.”
I’m not gonna engage in all that chain but just to say that you not getting banter isn’t something to say you are not fun, that’s explicitly why I said it idk why you are reading more into what I said. You clearly enjoy other kind of humor and that’s fine, all I said is that doing an exercise of letting others enjoy this kind of humor in their consenting private (this was a private message) time wouldn’t hurt.
I’m still surprised, you haven’t heard of hyperbole as a comedy medium?
Never heard someone say “Let me teach you insult how to do this!*” To their friends? It’s the same kinda humor.
Anyway, you seem to not want to engage with it so I’ll stop, but please even if you don’t like it please understand from afar that there’s no malice. ❤️
But it says it right on the box, “ribbed for her pleasure”. Can’t argue with facts!
Sounds like they hurt you. Do you need help.
You think my parents hurt me because I won’t pointlessly refer to them by their gender? What the fuck?
Yep. You remind me of a scientologist’s kid.
What gets me with these posts is the unnecessary gendering of universal human behaviors THAT EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF GENDER DOES. Do we think moms are feeding babies in their nice work blouses? Women are doing crafts in beautiful sundresses? When I work on my car I promise I’m not doing it in my nice clothes. Life isn’t Instagram. Some people are just determined to see half the human species as not fully fleshed out people who do the exact same things they do.
It did at first, until I kept reading and figured out the context.
I read the whole thing too, it still bothered me.
I took it as “this is the thought process that you might not have thought of” as in neurons firing differently. It’s not disrespectful to say one group thinks differently.
I have ADHD and my mind gets put on a track I can’t control, so sometimes I’ll hear someone say something and stop listening to the conversation and just find out where my brain chooses to let me off. Sometimes I laugh at the stop, while my friends kept up normal conversation. They’re like “what?” And I have to just laugh and wave it off because it’s not worth explaining my train of thought. Or why I’m laughing at their uncles golf cart crash that lead to him being hospitalized because of bees.
People think differently and sometimes you explain it, sometimes you don’t. Honestly in this context, I think it puts it in a light mood like a joking mansplaining, when they’re really explaining their neurodivergence. Like I often do with my son “listen here you little shit…” When he asks obvious insulting questions about when I was young and lived in caves, or what I remember about sailing with Columbus.
Clearly the intent isn’t misogyny.
I still feel like there’s a way to explain to somebody a thought process they might not have thought of without needlessly making it a gender thing. But again maybe it’s just me.
