To be fair, nfts and vr were never forced on consumers quite like AI is. VR is incredible for certain types of gaming. NFTs are also incredible too. They allow you to quickly identify morons with disposable income.
NFTs are also incredible too.
You had me in the first half, ngl
I upvoted the comment while reading it, then removed the upvote, then put it back.
Correct, the only idiotic thing about VR is buying your hardware from Mark Zuckerberg. As the folks in the VR community here are already aware, I got my Steam Frame the other day and basically the only reason I’ve had to take it off my face since then is because the thing has a finite battery life.
It’s funny how people were comparing the Frame to Quest, saying it’s DOA because of the price, niche device only for a few enthusiasts.
Meanwhile, the Frame is flying off the shelves and the waitlist seems to be twice as long as the number of the units available. :(
It turns out there really is a market for a standalone capable wireless headset provided that it actually respects your privacy.
It’s a good product that doesn’t request you to sell your soul to use it. It’s definitely expensive but for people who have that money and are into VR it’s the best thing ever.
It also has the valve factor. In a landscape that consumer electronics are anti consumer, it’s more alluring to buy something you might not need if it’s not enshitified.
For example, I don’t really need a steam controller but boy do I want one.
I don’t want to sound like too much of a fanboy, but I’ve owned every first-party device of theirs so far, even the old physical Steam Link, the OG Controller, and the Vive which I count as theirs, and they’ve consistently hit the sweet spot of what I want out of hardware:
No hostility to the user; very tinkerer friendly; a good balance of build quality, ergonomics, and features without going into diminishing returns; long-lasting software support (even the market failure of the Steam Link has recent firmware updates); forwarding wider Linux and gaming software ecosystems; etc.
At this point, I’m just grabbing them if I have even an occasional use case for them, and I don’t regret it one bit. My Frame comes in tomorrow, and I’m very excited.
I wish it was flying. I managed to get on the reservation list (not waitlist) and two weeks later I am still waiting for my turn to even order one. Valve seems completely overwhelmed with the demand. Good for them I guess but come on, I haaaate waiting.
Man, don’t even get me started. I’m on the waitlist, so I don’t expect to get my hands on it within a year…
I found a Meta Quest 2 at a thrift store for 20 bucks. It needed a new face cushion so I ordered one online and a Meta Quest 3S showed up instead.
So, like, hopefully one day they’ll be CFW for it.
They shipped a whole ass headset when you ordered a face cushion? Damn dude, nice
Most of us can’t drop 1k+ on a headset. My oculus which I got for 300 is still going strong after 2 years. And no, you don’t need a FB (edit: META) account. Piracy is also quite available for us 3rd world countrymen
you do need a meta account, at least when I setup mine.
All the joy of Steam, pumped directly into my eyeballs? Yes, please.
And all the joy of also being a small Linux computer, still with the eyeballs thing. Hit “desktop” in the hotbar on the bottom and you’re looking at a KDE environment.
Most programs can also be opened into a separate full-screen styled floating window you can stick wherever in virtual space, independent of the base desktop.
You don’t really want any more battery than absolutely necessary strapped to your face. Put a power bank in your pocket for longer sessions.
Given that the battery in the Frame is not readily swappable, that’s your only choice. I’m already on it, of course.
Swappable battery back?
Think Valve said something about that in the future. Also you can use a power bank while using was also mentioned. If I’ll get the money I’m definitely buying steam frame rather than to buy spy hardware.
I think the second panel is not referring to VR in general but rather Metaverse specifically.
What you mean Mark Zuckerberg’s unlicensed digital daycare scheme?
Jokes aside, they all have something in common: a technology that can be useful in some very specific niches, but is advertised as a solution to all problems in the world and usd in large scale for things they shouldn’t be used for, just to grab investors’ money
common: a technology that can be useful in some very specific niches, but is advertised as a solution to all problems in the world and
It is disappointing that, of the three, only NFTs fulfilled the promise and have solved literally every problem*.
*
…for those whose only problem is a need to launder money.
money laundering is a necessary industry
I always thought it could be useful to use NFT as a proof of ownership in a software, for example you buy a game you get an NFT that proves your ownership, down the line you sell the game to someone else, you handover the NFT and bam you are no longer the owner. But software companies won’t use that as it would create a resale value and THEY want to sell new games not le YOU sell your games.
Silly lemmy user thinking tech is suppose to benefit the consumer.
/s
I’ve thought about this to. I think that is the best use for them, the problem is it would require an internet connection to check the blockchain and authenticate that you still own it or it doesn’t work so it’s not ideal.
Yeah, I honestly don’t know of any tech that has been pushed so hard. NFTs were never something large companies were interested or invested in, and VR was always a niche product. I find AI useful for certain things, but I hope this bubble bursts as soon as possible…
Your Reddit account had a NFT wallet for avatar cosmetics for a while
did they get rid of it?
Yes. Because it could be gifted to others who could then use it however they liked, some governments realized that it could fall under commercial regulation so Reddit got rid of it in a flash.
Notably VR also generally wasn’t the main pitch. It was just seen as axillary. The reason they promoted it as the next big thing, was the “”“metaverse”“”. Definitions varied, but it was generally a social media platform owned by the seller, and/or was virtual real estate.
The metaverse was an unregulated digital daycare centre for American boys aged 6-13.
Came here to say this: I get ton of enjoyment out of racing in VR. The rests is capitalism at its worst.
I played an MMO in 2002. People made financial transactions for things in a digital universe. That MMO shut down and the servers wiped around the time Bored Ape shit started. Made me laugh.
But then again, Steve Bannon once made a living selling WoW gold. Shit is wild.
One of my friends just set up a 3ds emulator for his VR headset. Pretty much the best way to enjoy the 3d effect without original hardware, and the virtual screens are much larger
There’s a Virtual Boy emulator for VR headsets, too.
That VR Rogue Squadron game was some peak shit ngl
VR is also great for movies!
I stole an NFT once, that was kind of cool.
Same I saw an NFT at a museum in Amsterdam so I took a photo of it so I could steal it.
Here it is:
On TV they were talking about how you can buy NFTs at an event, the reporter held up a QR code to show it. I took a picture of that and got the NFT without paying the entrance fee or $5 QR code cost.
But I lost it because I forgot where it was stored.
You wouldn’t download a car
At least VR is great for porn
I tried it once, in the early times. They hadn’t figured out the scaling at all. Lady was supposed to come sit in your face.
She didn’t get closer, she got bigger. Much bigger.
Would be phenomenal for the giantess crowd. Scared me off for life.
Edit : nobody press the arrows now leave it there
That sounds just horrible. Where is that, so I can avoid it at all costs?
It’s gotten better since then. Close ups still are a bit awkward but the scaling is much better.
Why is that point of view so rare in porn. It should be among most popular.
Because they’re too busy making everything stepsomething
Oh no stepgiant im stuck
i don’t need to read the title or even listen to the lines
in your face
she got bigger
screaming intensifies
This is the future you don’t want to be left behind do you?
Can they just get in their little fucking bunkers already, and we can seal them off? Not many guillotines required, the stupid fucks can corner themselves and rot… much easier
The Guillotine is a great historical thought, though. Just look at the exemplary oasis of equality that’s France.
“This is the future and if it fails I stand to lose billions so you definitely don’t want to be left behind, do you?”
I’m so happy I haven’t heard the term Blockchain in a while connected to the next amazing technology. I’ll be happy when LLM goes that way too.
Block chain for LLMs.
Half wondering if I could just make a website and get VC funding for just the idea.
Cloud-based multiverse virtual reality with agentic, llm-based, personas. All that using generative graphics and integrated into a blockchain.
You need to dream bigger, my friend, or the dumb billionaires won’t fill you with money
2 years ago I bet you could. Not sure about now. Need to find the next crazy tech fad and attach that label.
Blockchain is a really interesting technology that has almost no actual use cases, which is kind of amazing in its own way.
It’s great for purchasing semi illegal goods, and commissioning artists that live in scantoned nations.
That probably won’t happen. Unlike Blockchain, which really only has a few niche uses, LLMs are incredibly useful for natural language processing and machine translation, both of which are fairly large fields.
Correct they are useful but the amount of money and hype in them need to return to earth.
I still can’t believe people bought those stupid monkey digital photos
I met someone once who had “invested” in these. Like, thousands of pounds. He thought he was super clever, talked down to us because we were so far out of the loop. I do wonder what happened to him. Poor guy.
he learned nothing and is now chasing AI stonks
the only one chasing it is JENSEN.
I still don’t understand the part where some got ‘stolen’ and were held hostage…
They were held in a poorly designed browser-based crypto wallet that only weirdos know how to use, so when normies wanted in on the get rich quick scheme, they would easily get confused and authorize third parties full access to the wallet.
Poker in VR is social and fun. The rhythm games like Beat Saber and Pistol whip are pretty cool too.
This meme isn’t a jab at VR or any other single technology, VR is a good piece of tech. But its still one of those technologies that were way overhyped by tech bro billionaires.
Like remember how that big tech company renamed itself in hopes of making its name ubiquitous with a VR world that no one really wants other than those who thought they could make boatloads of money from it?
And I’m not saying that they are the only ones that want any VR world, I mean specially the one they were trying to build where they pretty much started with virtual real estate and ad space before even coming up with compelling reasons to use it at all. Also, the virtual reality that I’m really interested in isn’t the one where you strap screens to your face and have cameras or sensors detecting movement of specific hardware to act as input, but that’s all we have right now.
Lol I just realized this: I’m more interested in the Sword Art Online VR world that would kill you in real life if you died in the game than I am in whatever FB was trying to make. Like if a genie or something offered me the choice between trying either of those, the metaverse would be a quick no while trying a nervegear would require some thought.
Though not whatever comes out of Musk’s company. I have little doubt that he’s going to have at least some people working on hacking human brains, for things like mind control, finding secrets, or maybe even doing that thing where they make it look like you leave the simulated VR world but it actually just simulated taking a VR helmet off and now you’re stuck in Elon’s world until he lets you out or it breaks.
I remember playing a vr game at a frys electronics (rip) in the 90s. I have not seen a vr thing that exceeded that. They’ve gotten lighter at least, but the system they had was perfectly calibrated I guess
Did you know they have social poker in real life?
Social video poker, also (webcams).
VR certainly ain’t an enabling technology for poker.
Yeah but in the US it’s always a bunch of heavy smokers that want to play at those. Got tired of coming home and having to immediately take a shower
your opinion is wrong and mine is objectively correct
No mine is. Fight me (mud wrestling at dawn)
Strap in, baby. We are going an average of 120mph+ in a Cannonball Run-style race across the USA in American Truck Simulator. Plus, I can do this irl too if you want-- hey, get the fuck back here!
webcams require wearing clothes, vr does not
To be left behind is nothing someone should be afraid.
Actually, can they just leave me alone?
I’m sure they have an app for that.
Oh boy don’t start me on cr’apps. It’s insane how even working at a grocery store requires an andriod or ios. It would be one thing if they provided you a phone or whatever like they did when I worked in JcPenis. I can’t wait to get a holiday job and then ask how do I install that on my linux phone.
Ageing a really funny experience. As a young person being left behind like that was unthinkable. I’d do anything to not get left behind. Now that I am a lot older I couldn’t care less if I get left behind. I’ve found what makes me happy, I don’t need to keep up anymore. It’s so freeing.
FOMO comes along a lot when you’re younger.
Then you MO a lot, for various reasons, and you realize it’s not a big deal.
If you don’t MO, then you never develop the FO, and then next thing you know, you’re in a FAFO loop.
I’m in the ROMO phase. Relief of missing out.
cue Losing My Edge!
The moment it was clear they couldn’t figure out what the “Next Big Thing” was they started throwing shit at the wall before going “well if we can’t find the next best thing, we’ll force it on them!”
That’s how we got to where we are with AI.
If this is the future, yes, please leave me behind.
To be fair, crypto only enabled scams, NFTs imploded because of how useless they are and the metaverse seems like a dystopia to most people. AI on the other hand has changed the way I do my job significantly. It’s not just a promise, it’s a genuinely powerful tool.
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That is true job security. Being able to undo everyone else’s screwups. Such work kept me gainfully employed for 45 years.
“It’s not just a promise, it’s a genuinely powerful tool.”
Methinks you’ve spent too much time with GenAI LLMs or are a bot yourself. “It’s not x, it’s y”
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Sorry, complete non sequitur, is the Hyperion in your username a Dan Simmons reference?
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I think there are some very cool images, but overall it’s not all that deep. I’d recommend Iain M Banks (say, The Algebraist) for an author trying for something similar and hit it out of the park.
Careful, the Shrike might just take offense.
a genuinely powerful tool.
As is a hammer. The issue is when you treat the solution to every problem as a nail.
LLMs are also great scam enablers.
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“Guns don’t kill people, people do” level of fallacy. Gubs enable people to do it, as do LLMs enable companies to dial up the spam abf scams. Companies haven’t changed, LLM are the change and largely not to the better.
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Ah ok.
If LLMs weren’t a tool to extract knowledge from people and dumb them down while preventing them from accessing wealth and they were environmentally sustainable, then I could see them as a useful tool. I don’t want to boil the planet so that an LLM can generate the minutes of yet another unnecessary meeting, I want not to have to hand in minutes of unnecessary meetings.
The metaverse twist was certainly useless and realized in the most uninsipred soulless way, but vr otherwise has some utility and can be entertaining to a niche.
AI as so far realized has some utility, but a handful of asshats are similarly supremely obnoxious about it, and in my experience way more people are being obnoxious about it than it is useful.
Also add 3D TVs to recent technology that didn’t go anywhere.
recent
Should I tell them, or…?
2012 was like 3 years ago right?
😂
oh I completely forgot about those, lol
It honestly is more accurate than VR. Although I’m not that interested in VR, reading this thread makes me think that it’s slowly getting there; people seem to like valve’s stuff.
And curved TVs, thankfully.
Even if every developer has a max subscription and uses it to mostly or completely automate their coding activities…how many people is that? A few hundred thousand? Where are these supposed revenues going to come from?
Well, first of all, the max subscription is going to cost 10k a month, so jot that down
Hah, and then nobody will buy it. They tried to up token prices earlier this year and were forced to go back to selling $10000 of compute for $100 in like a month because usage dropped off.
Don’t you worry! AI is gonna think of something…/s
Not arguing your point, but a few hundred thousand…?
If you’re going to be making an argument, at least get rh most basic of your facts right.
Globally there are about 40-50 million software engineers. A hell of a lot more than a few hundred thousand. 1/10th of that is in the U.S.
I was guessing, sure, but apparently so were you:
https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-data-playground/
Even if the numbers are what you’re saying they are…and the same number of full-time developers transition to become full-time prompters (doubtful), and every one of them buys a $100 a month subscription that’s only 60 some odd billion a year. They’re projecting revenues to grow into the trillions per year. Literally how?
My clients have accountants, pms, service dept using claude too. for what I do not know. Having said that, I agree I am not sure how this money pit will make money. the plan seems to be nvidia to keep dumping money into ai companies and then the ai companies from nvidia…
It’s painfully obvious to me as a (reluctant) daily user of these things that most people will have no use for it.
Maybe there are some people for whom the barrier to entry for software development was that they didn’t want to learn a programming language but were otherwise very technical and wanted to create software, but that seems like it’s a small amount of people.
Aside from the coding itself, developing software with Claude has all of the same problems developing software without it had.
There are also new risks to developing software with it, because among other things it further siloes developers (into teams of one + chatbot).
I’m also a reluctant user as well. I just got my degree and wanted to change careers. Am now like should I put experience with claude code in my resume or not lol. Its a weird time. Id rather do everything by hand but boss wants things fast.
I don’t think people have figured out yet that the coding was not the hard part of most software development. Maybe it is when you’re really junior or unimaginative, but it it’s more about communication issues, building the “right thing”, testing, etc. etc. forever and Claude hasn’t solved much or any of that (and has made some of it worse).
The sterile, uncanny zucc face is iconic.
zuck did immeasurable harm to vr by trying to dominate the field. utter decimation of expectations. he made a fool out of all of it.
i like what i’ve seen about the steam frame so far and look forward to having one hopefully. never, not once, not ever, shall i pressure anyone else into it; it’s a personal interest, personal to ME and others who choose to adopt it.
Gee, it’s almost like pressuring people into something makes it super not enjoyable for anyone. Anywho, I’m off to Google something only to scroll past the AI generated response I didn’t ask for and can’t disable.
Kagi is right there, bro. You don’t have to keep going back to the abuser.
Yeah, I use ddg, I was more making a point.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/-ai-overview/ this one does a great job on firefox and it’s various forks.
I partially disagree. It got standalone VR much more popular. I dislike all the Facebook stuff but as far as the headset goes, it is genuinely decent. Like I personally use a Lenovo explorer so it’s about as cheap as it gets. But there are times I wish I got a quest because I could get away with wireless streaming from my PC.
It is a good compromise from all angles but I’m betting Facebook/meta is subsidizing the shit out of it.
