Over the same period, such deaths declined in most other developed nations, according to United Nations data.
From the WSJ article: https://www.wsj.com/us-news/the-deadly-1-5-mile-corridor-that-shows-the-fatal-flaw-in-americas-road-design-8f424579
I wonder why
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Searching for “wholesome kid with family car 1950s” results in photos slightly different for some reason (not that mass motoring waa ever the answer)
I’ve seen some videos where these monstrosities drove over sports cars, it’s madness.
The US is de-civilizing itself out of frustration
If US Baby Boomers could read.
It really does blow my mind, if you look at graph after graph of the US compared to the world, so much of the world is in line and the US is a constant outlier and yet people venimently state how good things are and “it’s just because the US is so big”, which is a complete fallacy.
Canada too, ripping out bike lanes.
Terrible street design which prioritizes speed of cars over the safety of the community. The rich and selfish get to kill everyone else so they don’t have to wait a bit longer crossing town.
Added bonus: the cars also pollute the fuck out of your home in the process.
In addition, the tarmac tanks get bigger and bigger to a point where you just can’t see pedestrians at all.
I’m not paranoid. THEY are after ME!
They optimize the roads for speed because that means easy revenue from issuing speeding tickets to people moving at a rate that road has been optimized to handle. Unsafe driving practices are just opportunities for profit. Tail light out? You get pulled over, ticketed, and then released back onto the road still with a broken tail light, only now you have to both pay for the tail light and potentially the fine if you don’t take time off work to go to court and get it waived.
Actually making the community safe isn’t profitable.
I went to America for the first time a year and a half ago. The biggest culture shock was definitely the horrible infrastructure. Second to that was the amount of dogs that weren’t trained at all.
People talk a lot about feeling unsafe in areas like Tenderloin in SF, but being near any of the dumb, giant car traffic made me feel way more unsafe.
I’ve spent time in over 30 countries, including developing and emerging countries, and the US is by far the one I felt the least safe in.
People talk a lot about feeling unsafe in areas like Tenderloin in SF, but being near any of the dumb, giant car traffic made me feel way more unsafe.
For sure, I feel like I’m going to get killed every time I bike anywhere even though I live in a low crime area
Not only have the vehicles gotten bigger, but the conservatives have purposely pushed vehicular homicide as something that is acceptable for groups like protesters. Just mention a “liberal” blocking the road to any conservative to have them quickly quip that they would run them over.
Normalizing vehicular homicide is totally a reflection of our safe and sane car culture in the US.
Conservatives rarely see ISIS tactics they don’t love
Hostile, selfish, and distracted drivers
The drivers are a constant. This is a symptom of regulatory capture.
The cars are not the same. This is a consequence of regulatory failure, though.
You can call it failure, but it’s serving someone that engineered it. This isn’t merely a failure to act or an unforeseen consequence, intentional choices have been made that knowingly trade human well-being for commercial interests. This is government serving capital interests before humanity or its own citizens.
I say it’s specifically regulatory capture because of the way one regulatory body is defeating protections provided by another one. The dangerous and popular class of vehicles exist to thwart regulations that apply to what was previously considered normal-sized vehicles. If they could they would have just done away with the regulations, but they are limited to their captured offices’ authority.
Sure, it is a failure from the perspective of public interest. It isn’t an accident.
I dunno, man. From where I sit, our governments look like systems designed to facilitate the extraction and exploitation of value from natural and human resources for the benefit of capital enterprise. From THAT perspective, it’s neither a failure nor an accident.
I think its about time we stop talking about the US as a developed nation. It really isn’t for a majority of americans, and it does appear to be steadily devolving. It’s maybe not yet a fully fledged 'poor country" but it is way more of a shithole than I would suppose 80% of countries in the developing world. And the fact that do many Americans think they’re the greatest country since sliced bread came around is something I find bemusing
Simply because this statistic is not getting better does not mean that the United States is not a developed country. It means it is something to be addressed.
Many other statistics have the US improving rapidly e.g. crime, murder, life expectancy, and drug deaths. United States is also home to several vision zero cities which are actively improving this statistic.
The thing to address seem simple in theory: copy a model that works fine. It may mean to change some rules, and it may have an impact on the american way of life.
Also, neighbours such as Mexico, and far more Canada do far better on that point. So there should be a way to do better without even push too hard… But it would be very impressive if USA could find a way working really well.
Nice one dude! Very original! America bad!
How the F did US jumped up in 2020? Did the cars start to run into buildings to make up for the diferance in pedestrian trafic?
In 2020, the pedestrian traffic changed from commuting to lots of people going out on daily walks, often in areas that aren’t set up for pedestrians. I’m guessing that’s a contributing factor.
People went fucking nuts that year
Only that year?
There was a build up before, like they were in training. 2020 flipped a switch and now they’re pros being nuts.
They just stayed nuts after. Cops stopped doing anything (except murdering people, of course). Nobody cares.
Where I live in the suburbs ebikes have also gotten a lot more popular over the past few years
Between the rise of SUVs, and the increase in distracted driving, I’m not surprised in the slightest.
We really need to treat driving offenses with way more scrutiny.
I found out recently that operating a boat while intoxicated is a mandatory jail sentence. Meanwhile there are people out driving drunk right now who are 3+ DUIs.
I think it should be 1 and done. After that, you should have to choose between being legally allowed to purchase alcohol, or being legally allowed to drive, and if you blow over 0.00 on a breathalyzer after that, it’s an automatic 10 year sentence.
What about when the cops make you blow into a breathalyzer multiple times until it puts you over the legal limit? It’s the citizens’ responsibility to tell then to reset the machine.
I was too poor to afford a lawyer. To someone who was only 21 and just getting started on his own that ruined my early adult life financially. Over $15,000 for all the classes, court costs, additional insurance, etc. This was early 2000s, I don’t even want to adjust that amount for inflation.
Maybe think before you decide other people’s fate. What happened to me can and does happen to anyone the police don’t like.
Laws to prosecute police officers that provide false testimony or fabricate evidence?
Personally, I see saving the 30+ people who are going to die from drunk driving every day as more important than the serious (but seldom) consequences that happened to you due to a corrupt/incompetent cop and lawyer. No offense.
I wish financial hardhsip on you, then.
Only if you also wish death for yourself…
You should lose your license for drunk driving for at least a year minimum, mandatory. Or be thrown in the stockade and have tomatoes thrown at ya for 3 weeks. Or both.
Both is good.
People have to drive around here, but no one has to drink. This is why I think we should make a drunk driver choose between legally drinking or legally driving since they clearly aren’t responsible enough to be allowed to do both.
That won’t be possible until there are practical alternatives to driving across all towns and cities.
It is totally possible to ban someone from purchasing alcohol though. Let the individual make a decision on which is more important.
If you live outside of dense urban areas, there are usually NO sidewalks for pedestrians. Intersections often lack crosswalks, and the timing of traffic lights don’t actually give people enough time to even cross the street. On top of that, with the advent of cell phones, people are more distracted while they are driving than ever before.
As someone without a car in the US, I am obviously pro-urban pedestrian infrastructure. We need more and better busses, and far more walking / biking options that keep us away from cars entirely. If you can’t walk from any one place to any other in a city, that’s two or more cities in a trench coat, you know?
I do wonder what a graph of average driven hours would do to this chart. Per 100,000 people of course shows more are dying per person. But if US citizens drive twice the total hours(completely made up number) as those in other countries, then we would actually have less pedestrian deaths per driven hour no?
While I do agree that we probably have less “per hour driven” I think this metric is important because it still reflects the danger to the average person. If I get hit by a car it’s not going to make me feel any better to know “that person was driving for a really long time before they hit you”.
Factually it’s an interesting metric. But it doesn’t make pedestrians feel any safer
On the other hand, the US has far fewer people walking around than those other countries, and this is per capita, not per 100k pedestrians
per hours driven our per km driven is a car centric misleading number for many purposes. That is because car centric planning increases the distances one needs to drive, without creating additional value. Going to the supermarket doesn’t get any better just because the supermarket is double as far away. So the per 100,000 people number is a better representation.
Of course, people having to drive longer and further also means higher risk of deaths and accidents but that is just a compounding issue caused by car centric design itself. It is part of the problem, not some externalised factor that should be compensated for.
Correlate that with truck size.
Edit: can’t find a “size” chart, google and the rest are force feeding me “market share” as a size, not GVW or height. Height of hood could probably be part of the reason for increase in deaths, both driver visibility issues and more likely to cause head injury. However, a generic weight chart shows trucks growing in size more rapidly and overall weiging more than cars for quite a while.
Correlation != causation, but yeah. Might be a thing.
It’s even scarier because I’ve seen fewer and fewer people outside walking over the years. I’d imagine that it’s more dangerous than it seems.
As a Miata driver in the deep south - it has never been more dangerous.
I used to be one of those as well. Moved to WV and it added a new element of fun…icy roads. Three years of that and sadly I became an ex-owner of a Miata since I couldn’t really winter the car and I had a motivated buyer. I miss that car most days but you really have to be on your toes all the time with the tractor trailers and “yank tanks” as they lovingly refer to them across the pond.
Subes are boring but effective in this part of the country.
Just for a better understanding, it would ve interested to see how the share of pedestrians developed in that time. Did decrease, remain similar or even increase?
Isn’t this largely to do with American car safety standards focusing only on the occupants of the car, rather than both the occupants and other people? Isn’t the Cybertruck rated as one of the safest vehicles by US standards but is considered to dangerous to be driven on most European roads for this reason?
There is no evaluation of the Cybertruck in the EU, but your general description is not entirely wrong. Tesla never even tried to make that ztash can street legal in the EU, knowing that their front facing stainless steel blades have no chance because they are insane from a pedestrian safety perspective and their are rules that forbid that.
Safety authorities and regulators in the US obviously don’t care much about the life of pedestrians. If they did, the Cyvertruck would not be street legal in its current form.
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Terrible infrastructure decisions combined with massive tank sized vehicles going 40 mph down side streets while many are stressed out working 2 jobs looking down at their smart phone to see if they’re going to be late. Surprised?
And company policies that consider 1 minute late to be penalty-worthy. And long vast stretches of straight road. (“Design roads like barrels and people will drive like bullets.”)
Longer and longer commutes…
Unpredictable jams and construction…
It’s all fundamentally designed in opposition to human well-being.
I still remember when a coworker a while back came to work the first time an hour late because their alarm didn’t go off in the morning and they were freaking out. One of the reasons I left. I seriously hate that culture entirely.
