Want to wade into the snowy surf of the abyss? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid.

Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned so many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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    Today in Seems Legit News:

    “As a concrete example, an engineer at Spotify on their morning commute from Slack on their cell phone can tell Claude to fix a bug or add a new feature to the iOS app,” Söderström said. “And once Claude finishes that work, the engineer then gets a new version of the app, pushed to them on Slack on their phone, so that he can then merge it to production, all before they even arrive at the office.”

    • why is engineer working before contracted time
    • if engineer can do everything by cellphone why does engineer have to commute in the first place
    • if Claude can do everything anyway why do you still have engineers at all
    • if “no engineer has written a line of code since December”, when are your lowering your subscription prices Spotify
    • why is hypothetical engineer a “he”, Spotify
    • do you often merge Claude code to production without even a review, Spotify
    • in unrelated news, Anna’s Archive has socialised Spotify metadata and 6TB of music, Gods bless them https://torrentfreak.com/annas-archive-quietly-releases-millions-of-spotify-tracks-despite-legal-pushback/
    • though I won’t do anything with that as I assume everything from Spotify is “AI” “music” anyway and I listen to my bands either from bandcamp, soulseek, or just downloaded from youtube videos uploaded over 10 years ago
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    EDIT:

    I’m removing the image (keeping the original text for posterity), but I just completely got had by someone straight up lying.

    It’s quite embarrasing, I should’ve been way more skeptical of someone posting an image without sourcing the original paper. Turns out not only is it not a recent paper at all (published June 2025), not only is that table not saying what he claims it’s saying, but the authors have since removed that table altogether from revised versions of the paper!

    That’s what you get from reposting someone who has “The Finance Newsletter” in his fucking username, couldn’t have gone well for me.

    original post

    From https://bsky.app/profile/thefinancenewsletter.com/post/3mek7wsqgkk26

    Microsoft released a study showing the 40 jobs most at risk by AI:

    Tag the most ridiculous entry, I am curious of your choices.

    To me it has to be fucking historians. Arriving at new conclusions by looking at available evidence and/or finding obscure references that are not well known to the public – CLASSIC THING LLMS ARE GOOD AT.

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        this doesn’t mean that the paper is any good or doesn’t deserve mockery (i don’t know, i didn’t read it yet, and i’m not sure i have apparatus to make other than esthetic judgements), just that the conclusions the og skeet author attributes to the paper aren’t the paper’s conclusions.

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      “these ai girls with 3 boobs really puts strain on the fashion model industry”

      CNC Tool Programmer is a good one and shows that Microsoft, a company that probably has paid for someone to run CNC tooling for prototyping AND supposedly makes software, didn’t do the bare minimum to understand complexeties involved by talking to that someone.

      Yeah, you can make mistakes with programming this thing, it’ll happily destroy hundreds of thousands of dollars in tooling as well as potentially maiming or killing anyone standing too close while the machine is actually physically crashing. It will friction-weld your nice, expensive carbide cutting tool with cooling channels to your work piece (even if they are dissimler metals) by taking too big of a cut because it does exactly as it’s instructed.

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        someone on HN or LW posted a piece about how they’d tried to get chatgpt to design a machine part, and it had hilariously failed (impossible machine paths, too thin material etc)

        some nimrod suggested skilled machinists be outfitted with pressure sensing gloves and cameras and patiently explain eahc machining step so the LLMs could take their jobs

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          I do believe that’s literally how the automation dystopia began in Vonnegut’s Player Piano.

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          some nimrod suggested skilled machinists be outfitted with pressure sensing gloves and cameras and patiently explain eahc machining step so the LLMs could take their jobs

          I expected a willingness from HN users to backstab the working class, but I didn’t expect something this blatantly half-baked.

          10x developers, 0.1x proletariat.

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        @nightsky @V0ldek Well to be honest I think they just have general disdain for us subhumans for not scamming or inheriting our way to fortune.

        On a lighter note, cool Turrican avatar. Loved that game as a kid.

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          Yesss, and it’s still worth playing today!

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      Edited the post after it came to my attention I got duped, I got had, I got bamboozled by a liar

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        Don’t feel bad, it’s gonna be harder and harder to avoid being duped in the future.

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          But unlike those that have fallen to hubris I am built different and should be immune to disinformation!

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      Passenger Attendants

      Hosts and Hostesses

      Just what you want when you pay for a nice travel experience or night out, a fucking ipad on a stick rolling up to you and trying to be of service.

      LLMs came up with this list, prove me wrong

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      I remember this paper from last summer, the authors put up a followup right when school started that distances it from the AI replacement theory: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/blog/applicability-vs-job-displacement-further-notes-on-our-recent-research-on-ai-and-occupations/

      I work a lot with the underlying data set they used, ONET is really carefully designed but easy to misinterpret; and also I wanted to mention that it is produced by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics, which has been DOGE’d since then. Future research into jobs, AI or regular, will probably degrade as this continues.

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      @V0ldek @BlueMonday1984 Thank you for linking the source, because in replies someone linked the actual paper (it’s table S3).

      Note that the post is a little misleading; the paper is about jobs AI can be applied to, not necessarily jobs that are at risk.

      They also were not studying people using LLMs in these specific roles. They used LLMs (with all the caveats that implies) to a) analyze a database of conversations with Bing Copilot and sort the requests into various categories, like “gather information” (by far the most common) or “work with the public”, and b) match up these tasks with occupation descriptions in a job database and with Bureau of Labour statistics.

      Like I’m sure the paper’s still crap but that isn’t exactly what they’re saying.

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      @V0ldek @cstross I couldn’t even read the whole list after seeing “CNC Programmers” on it. That may not be the most absurd, but the idea of “here’s a robot with a sharp blade spinning at high RPM that we’re using to make a physical object with extreme precision, so we fired the human who knows how it works and gave their job to the hallucination box” makes Willy’s Chocolate Experience seem like a warmup. I just hope there’s video. Lots of video. Ideally from behind safety glass.

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        @geeksam @V0ldek @cstross I came across a machining YouTuber that was asking Grok for feeds and speeds a while ago. Was immediately terrified. Haven’t checked their channel lately. Wonder if they are still intact…

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        @geeksam

        Can confirm. Inbetween me being a self-taught coder in my youth to getting a degree in Software Engineering I also took a detour and got a degree as a Mechanical Engineer.

        That involved CAD/CAM and running the output on CNC machines. Which involved hitting the metal piece with the head too far down and metal being flung around at ludicrous speed.

        @V0ldek @cstross

      • Meanwhile, I’m lookin at the list and amazed by the number of “jobs” I have apparently had (which never paid me in the first place). Certainly, any time I was invited to deejay on the radio, it was never paid. Moreover, even in the 1990s I knew a fellow radio DJ who was more or less replaced by a CD jukebox with song choices dictated from on high and he was basically the voice in between tunes and ads to make it seem as if it wasn’t evil overlords. Maybe, he got paid? I have my doubts.

        CC: @V0ldek@awful.systems @cstross@wandering.shop

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        @geeksam @V0ldek @cstross

        Production CNC machines are beyond safety glass and sheet metal already.
        Sometimes even in work cell cages!

        Programming CNC has been done by opening up the print or CAD model and telling the CAM package to generate the tool paths for many years already.

        Sometimes programmers edit the generated code a little bit to adapt it, but there’s little zero risk in trying machine models on this. The worst that can happen is a crash that scraps a $50k spindle.

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          “Can’t read” is the kind of insult we don’t need in this context.

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        Most of the routine data analysis has already been “vendorized”, AI won’t make a difference. Why run an A/B test manually when you can drop Optimizely on to your page and let it run. I mean, /I/ know why I would, but I doubt a PM would.

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      @V0ldek @BlueMonday1984 Reading this list reminds me of a telling of Beauty and the Beast where she’s exploring the castle and each room is more beautiful than the last.

      Every item in this list is like wandering a fever dream where each room is more ridiculous than the last.

      Easily 50% of this list is unthinkable if you know anything about what the job entails.

      But I think “writers” stands out because you can almost see their logic because of video games, a creative industry currently in a death spiral because everything is homogeneous wallpaper paste. This is total “head in the sand” treatment of that, like AAA sales aren’t plummeting and people aren’t flocking to indies. I mean all’s relative, but the conditions that let that happen do not exist for books and cannot be forced.

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      fuck this tweet and fuck yud

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      Even if you’ve never heard of him before and know nothing else about him… this short tweet alone tells so much about what kind of person he is.

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      in follow-up posts he talks about how he’s broadly in favour of job automation, but has doubts our current government would be able to do that without fucking everyone over, he specified that “if it were a 1950’s government and congress I’d be more hopeful”

      …so instead of proposing a solution like “protest against this” or “vote people in power who actually are responsible” he jumps to “your daughter should give up her career and become a sex worker for AI company shareholders”

      with the Epstein shitstorm still raging, I would not be saying a damn thing about young women being sex workers for rich and powerful dudes

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        The idea that a government from the actual McCarthy Era would be adept at handling an organized labor response to massive upheaval in the job market is… what’s the superlative of “lolz”?

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      Groan, you don’t need to finish high school to learn about false dichotomy.

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      Interesting first job your mind goes to there Yud. Might spend a little bit less time around people who regularly use the word goon but who never talk about the mob.

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      Is this really Big Yud’s account ? Different nick than previous screenshots.

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        It’s his alt for people who want more yud spam, hence “all the yud.” From his twitter bio:

        This is my serious low-volume account. Follow @allTheYud for the rest.

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          The other one is meant to be serious? And low volume??

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    Elon Musk pivots from mars colony tweets to moon colony tweets (xcancel).

    I’m not quite clear on what “self-growing” means here given how inhospitable the moon is.

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      Self growing like a video game, for example a colony in eu4, initially it costs a lot of gold per month to keep sending colonists, and when you reach 100% growth it becomes a full province on which you can build things.

      If only more journalists go: ‘we don’t know what this means either, and when we asked him he started shouting slurs at us’.

      given how inhospitable the moon is.

      You could even say she is a harsh mistress.

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        You could even say she is a harsh mistress.

        what if the moon got mad tho

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          Tell Luna you’ve been a bad boy/girl/etc and need to be punished and see what she does.

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            on first reading I thought you were talking about a specific luna (who I shall not tag here) but who is definitely somewhat of a kinkposter

            still might mean that, haha

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        Given it’s the Moon a better comparison would be a Greenland colony in EU5 where it costs gold initially and then costs your precious sanity, as you are doomed to ship tonnes and tonnes of food and materials there for centuries because there is nothing fucking there and the whole endeavour was a huge mistake.

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          Have not done eu5 so didnt know they improved the system. But indeed.

          Not that it matters for the pro let billionaires colonize space crowd. As some thing some thing ai robots are magic. See also how they are planning datacenters in space, and dont think there is a real solution for the whole ‘what if you need to flip a switch or replace a fan’ problem.

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            The moment I’ve learnt chuds like Musk and Sammy Boi treat the speed of light as just a thing that they can solve with sufficient computational power I started treating all their claims like a 5yo talking shit. It’s really all you need to know about them.

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              wasn’t Musk financing people who were gonna “hack the simulation” at one point?

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                Iirc he even claimed he thought at times the world was a simulation made just for him. Im starting to think he isn’t in a healthy place mentally.

                E: ow god he thinks you can cool things in space, because vacuum.

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      If you accept the imho insane idea that a Mars colony is worth building, using Luna as a stepping stone makes sense. You can debug a lot of issues with recycling, growing food, low gravity, slow resupply etc. with a faster feedback loop.

      self-growing

      the virile space men will have plenty of nubile females to pump out babies

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        Weirdly, the moon might actually be more hostile that mars… the dust is sharper, the gravity is lower, the radiation is worse, the nights are longer and colder, there’s less water…

        It is a much cheaper and quicker means of murdering a bunch of astronauts though, so it does have that going for it.

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        If you accept the imho insane idea that a Mars colony is worth building, using Luna as a stepping stone makes sense. You can debug a lot of issues with recycling, growing food, low gravity, slow resupply etc. with a faster feedback loop.

        as usual, felon just has no imagination and is basing his silly plan straight off any number of scifi books. but some dipshit stan is of going to ecstatically praise him for this “revolutionary” “forward-thinking” idea

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        the virile space men will have

        i’ve heard they like to read sf, they might want to read heinlein’s luna stories and miss the point entirely

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        You could also technically do all of that debugging before you even get to the moon, though. Also has the added benefit of not dying if something goes awry.

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      @BlueMonday1984 @sailor_sega_saturn One of the “Old Dreams” is self replication lunar factories - you land a small robotic factory on the moon, it makes copies of itself, those copies make copies, exponential growth, then the factories make a maglev launch system and then they make and launch a massive number of solar panels, and now you do space based solar power and beam the power to earth. Kept growing and building, and you have massive amounts of energy per human on earth with 0 pollution…

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    Eliezer, I would be very careful about talking about age of consent if I were you

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    here’s another very good take from baldur bjarnason, answering the question if he had hardened his stance against LLMs.

    (the answer is “not exactly”, and you want to read the whole thing, because the answer itself is the least interesting part of the essay.)

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      The whole thing’s worth reading, but this snippet in particular deserves attention:

      Tech companies have done everything they can to maximise the potential harms of generative models because in doing so they think they’re maximising their own personal benefit.

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        it’s full of quotable bangers like this, and it’s hard to choose the one to quote, right.

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    https://x.com/MrinankSharma/status/2020881722003583421

    Anthropic safety research lead quits the field entirely to write poetry with a somewhat cryptic note. Trying to read between the lines here, the most likely explanation (IMO) is that he developed a guilty conscience and anthropic doesn’t actually give a shit about any of the human harms created by the technology. Ah well, nevertheless they persisted.

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    Show me someone who admittedly seems to know a lot about Japan, but not so much about East Germany:

    But the most efficient of these measures were probably easier to implement in the recently post-totalitarian East Germany, with its still-docile population accustomed to state directives, than in democratic Japan.

    https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/FreZTE9Bc7reNnap7/life-at-the-frontlines-of-demographic-collapse

    So… East Germany ceased to exist 35 years ago. Even if we accept that the people affected by the degrowth discussed in this article are the ones who grew up during the DDR regime, it doesn’t rhyme well with the fact that East German states are hotbeds for neo-Nazi parties, which by all accounts should be anathema to a population raised in a totalitarian state dominated by the Soviet Union.

    And if there’s a population almost stereotypically conformist to the common good over the private will, isn’t that the Japanese?

    I’m open to input on either side, I admit I don’t know too much about these issues.

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      I’m not convinced they know much about Japan either. The akiya banks are notoriously not updated regularly, and the sites which sell them to foreigners even less so. I couldn’t find that house in the bank but it appears to be now listed by an agent. Single storey, wooden, 50 years old, in a bit of a flood zone, not even a convenience store or supermarket within a mile’s walk.

      It’s true Japan has a lot of empty houses, estimates are around 10%. Japan also has a culture of somewhat continuously demolishing / rebuilding houses, which is understandable in an earthquake prone area. That house isn’t in the worst state for an akiya, but it clearly needs significant renovations, even before considering understandable earthquake anxiety and newer building standards (E g. steel frames) mean that houses like the one pictured aren’t exactly top choices to begin with.

      Also, the inheritance tax is a progressive tax, including a tax free threshold. 55% is the top tier and you need to be talking about literally millions of USD assessed value before that kicks in. Real estate is valued at less than fair market price for inheritance and gift tax purposes too. Even the most conservative internet article commenters in Japan will condemn people for avoiding their inheritance tax obligations.

      Also no, you won’t find wolves anymore in Japan, just fucking bears. The last year has been the worst in a while for bear attacks on humans, so I’m not sure the hypothetical deer population explosion is going to be a real concern. The robot wolves are scarecrows and were designed to look like wolves in the hopes of scaring off the bears, according to the link in the post itself.

      The whole thing reads like fiction with grains of “fact” scattered throughout which hopes to avoid scrutiny by being a subject matter too dry and niche to be called out on.

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    Rutger Bregman admits that he’s not sure what AGI actually is beyond vague utopian visions, but trivial questions aside, he’s sure it will revolutionize the world in 10 years.

    For those who haven’t heard of him, he’s a Dutch historian who achieved some fame for his book arguing for UBI and reduced work weeks, as well as his critique of rich people avoiding taxes and a segment on Tucker Carlson’s show where he openly challenged his politics. He has since seemingly turned 180 degrees and become a billionaire-backed effective altruist.

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      but I do know that what’s available now is just f*cking impressive - and it will only get better.

      Another victim of the proof-by-dopamine-hit fallacy it seems.

      It’s telling that the example he brings is that Claude can do pretty much decently what he was about to buy a 100$ voice controlled app for. As someone who aspires to the art of making great software, it’s so infuriating to see how non-techies were conditioned into accepting slopware by years of enshittification and price gouging. Who cares if the tech barely works right? So does most anything, right?

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      Yeah he is trying to build his own EA movement. He also wrote a book (which I have not read) which basically argues that people in general are good not evil actually. (Fair enough, but not relevant).

      Im still trying to meet him and shake is hand, the resulting matter antimatter explosion will take out the country.

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    OT: Just gave my two weeks notice and it turns out management is very big on using ChatGPT…

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        But seriously, between the alcohol market being a complete shitshow now and overproduction of microdistilleries/breweries (the dieback is just starting here)…I think I picked a good moment to fall to pieces.

        Also it was only a matter of time before we lost airpod privileges tbh.

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      I like this reply on Reddit:

      I do my PhD in fair evaluation of ML algorithms, and I literally have enough work to go through until I die. So much mess, non-reproducible results, overfitting benchmarks, and worst of all this has become a norm. Lately, it took our team MONTHS to reproduce (or even just run) a bunch of methods to just embed inputs, not even train or finetune.

      I see maybe a solution, or at least help, in closer research-business collaboration. Companies don’t care about papers really, just to get methods that work and make money. Maxing out drug design benchmark is useless if the algorithm fails to produce anything usable in real-world lab. Anecdotally, I’ve seen much better and more fair results from PhDs and PhD students that work part-time in the industry as ML engineers or applied researchers.

      This can go a good way (most of the field becomes a closed circle like parapsychology) or a bad way (people assume the results are true and apply them, like the social priming or Reinhart and Rogoff’s economic paper with the Excel error).

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    Gas Town has a discord now (https://gastownhall.ai/), because of course it does. This is bad news for me, because I’m sure that’s where all the comedy will be happening from now on, but I’m not a committed enough rubbernecker to join a discord. Hoping the choice bits leak out to the real world in some fashion

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      For a second I thought you wrote Gas Town had been discarded, and I briefly felt happiness for the first time in a long time.

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        No happiness here in the abyss, best we can do is perverse enjoyment.