Single-sex toilets and changing rooms in England, Wales and Scotland must exclude transgender men and women, according to a new code of practice from the equalities watchdog.
But the long-awaited guidance also says that businesses and service providers have to offer practical alternatives such as gender-neutral toilets for people who do not wish to use services for their biological sex.
I guess I’m naive to hope that a business would rather convert existing facilities to two multi-sex bathrooms rather than have to build and give up existing space to a third bathroom.
Make all WC unisex. No physical change other than signage. Will this fix the problem? No, it will make.a royal fucking mess of it all and hopefully press politicians to reverse their trans phobic laws.
One thing I like about the separation is that men tend to clear the toilet faster, which means the line moves quicker
I was recently at a venue that had two bathrooms: the unisex one which is all stalls, and one for men which is all urinals. Seems like the best of both worlds to me.
I agree. Removing that perk by making them all unisex is another thing that will make it a miserable experience for all. The idea is for it to be horrible enough for the TERFs to back off and the laws to change.
At work we had a male and female single-cubicle bathroom in reception. These are high-value bathrooms at work for dropping off the kids.
Somebody complained that there weren’t any gender neutral bathrooms so they’re both unisex now.
Now the men use the women’s bathroom and the women don’t use it anymore.
If it’s single unit why would women not use it anymore…?
My work had gendered single unit bathrooms but the women’s bathroom was farther away from the office space and since it was single room people of any gender just used the closer one regardless, and eventually they just swapped out the signs to gender neutral ones because of it’s single stall who gives a shit? No one is going in there with you.
Because men tend to cover things in their own excrement and leave toilet seats up or piss on them etc etc etc.
My highschool job was working at a sporting goods store. My closing duties each night were to clean the women’s restroom and occasionally cover for another department to clean the men’s room. I can tell you that the women’s restroom was always grosser. Yeah, there would be more pee on the seats and floor in the men’s room, but the rest of the place was far cleaner than the women’s.
Bathrooms are safe spaces for women. A line must be drawn in the most easy to define way to exclude men from the women’s bathroom. This is a court ruling to define law.
They’re making them use portajohns.
I’m curious how they’ll handle enforcement. “Please present your genitals for inspection before entering”
Oh, this type thinks they “can always tell”.
Thing is, they can’t. Trans people pass as cis pretty often, even to transphobes. And they’re constantly ‘transvestigating’ people who are actually cis.
What this will actually accomplish is license to harass (and, yes, probably attempt to inspect the genitals of) anyone who’s even a little bit gender non-conforming. It will mainly hurt cis women and cis men who, respectively, don’t look feminine enough or don’t look masculine enough. Functionally, it’s just another way to enforce gender conformity.
I like to hit 'em with a few photos of ALL trans people including ones like Buck Angel and have them pick out who they think is trans or not. They always fail.
It’s hillarious when they can’t see the difference and they either give confidently the wrong answer or internally panic lmao
In a past life, a super transphobic coworker asked me out a few times. He’d often go on rants about how women’s spaces must be protected and whatnot. He never realized I was trans.
It’s moments like that where I wish I could just tell him “hey I’m trans and you need to learn that we’re not sexual predators like Fox News likes to claim”, but staying quiet is an issue of personal safety. Trans visibility is a double edged sword that must be wielded delicately.
They are trusting that society will harass any and all women who don’t look feminine enough. It is social control.
Can confirm, this happened to me three times in one night up in Ayr (I wasn’t even stagging). Never going to that backwoods shithole again lol
A court will handle that.
There is a solution to all of this. Unitary WCs. Each has one toilet, one sink, at least one method for drying hands and at least one sanitary disposal for non-flushable items. Mirror optional. A toilet brush might also be a good idea.
Communal rooms should go the way of the dinosaur.
That way, anyone, regardless of persuasion, intent or comfort level, can use a toilet in peace. And if they want to invite someone else in for safety, so be it.
All the problems with this solution are excuses, and usually not very good ones.
I believe that communal bathrooms are cheaper to build and maintain, hence we still have them, not because anyone enjoys using them.
That’s what he said:
excuses, and usually not very good ones.
Thankfully, there’s an even better, easier, cheaper, and just solution to this as well
Negate the ruling and allow transgender people to use the correct bathroom that is congruent with their gender identity
IOW, MYOB.
International Olympic washroom, misunderstood yelling ouch bowel
More frequently it’s individual toilets and shared sinks.
Yes. The few times I’ve run into this has been great. I think people who are used to stalls initially feel weird when they hear about it but the toilets in this setup are enclosed with floor to ceiling walls and a door. It’s so much more pleasant.
Maybe also a urinal in each? Too many times have I accidentally sat on stray drips from people unwilling to put up a toilet seat in unisex bathrooms.
I’m leaning towards no. If you’re sat on the toilet in a small WC room, that urinal is going to be nearby and very close to face height. Also urinals are only really usable by half the population.
Sanitary wipes might be a better plan. Even better if they can be made reusable, but that could be too much to hope for what with the need for yet another bin, and the propensity for confused people to put things in the wrong one.
Students already get up to mischief in the shared bathrooms at my college library. Sometimes their “intent” runs contrary to the mission of the college–taking illegal drugs, setting off the fire alarm, making a giant mess with toilet paper everywhere.
A minor lack of privacy (private stalls, shared sinks) can help prevent bigger issues. If someone has a medical emergency (OD, for example) there’s a chance someone notices.
The problem with that is not the students, or the layout, communal or otherwise, but the unwillingness of the institution to pay a toilet attendant.
We’re in a budget crunch. Last I checked there was an unwillingness to pay for more than 1 custodian. The restrooms get dire.
edit: we do have 2 non-staff ungendered single seater restrooms, but I can’t see anyone approving retrofitting the existing multi-stall restrooms in a way that costs money, arguably decreases safety, and increases pressure on custodial staff.
The attendant doesn’t have to be a custodian. The member of staff with the office closest to each bathroom is now responsible for at least checking that bathroom once an hour. It’s a budget crunch. Everyone has to do their part!
And if that doesn’t fix the budget crunch within a week or two, the bathrooms are now being checked.
You’re devoting at least 15% of the library sysadmin’s time to bathroom monitoring (the bathrooms are a long walk from the offices) assuming the bathrooms are empty each hour. You’re also requiring them to knock on each locked bathroom door and get a response (currently you can check for people passed out by glancing at feet under stall doors). There’s also the overhead of figuring out who is on bathroom duty when the sysadmin is out sick or working from home.
The budget crunch is at the state level, the library itself has very little ability to change it. We’ve already reduced subscriptions and services and staff to a skeleton crew.
Tough times require tough measures. Either you find what the students do in there acceptable or you don’t. If you don’t, someone needs to check, and if not that sysadmin, then it’s going to have to be someone even further away.
One alternative would be to have the restrooms be locked and to be unlocked on request. How key management works with that I leave open.
This would be ideal if there was a suite of unitary WCs, because one key per room per person.
Not ideal in the case of emergencies, I grant you, but then, you don’t want to be using a filthy restroom in an emergency either, so I guess go the whole way into that and put a chemical toilet somewhere outside nearby. OR the old outhouse with hole in the ground if you can’t stretch to that.
Oh! I thought you were suggesting a way to implement unitary WCs. As a way to handle the current bathroom issues, the current solution for my floor is one staff member has IBS and checks in on the restroom approximating their gender about once every 2 hours. The other floors and restrooms have their own idiosyncratic methods.
What’s that got to do with equality?
These people are suspiciously concerned with what’s going on between other people’s legs.
They want trans genocide, they aren’t even trying to hide it anymore
How is this trans genocide? I’m genuinely wondering how wanting to keep toilets separated by biological sex is genocidal.
they are trying to create a legal context in which being transgender and doing normal things in the world is a crime and then they force trans people into the wrong prison where they can forcibly detransition trans people knowing that this will kill them 🫡
in america they have designated anyone “pro transgender” a terrorist and kansas, ohio, tennessee, texas, and indiana have or are creating trans registries of all the trans people
It’s how it begins. Chip away until you can annihilate them
This isn’t trans genocide, but progressively making it impossible for trans people to exist hints at intolerance for their general existence
progressively making it impossible for trans people to exist
And every person who gives Rowling money or watches her show outside the high seas is directly complicit
Trans genocide is when I can’t go to exclusive female place.
The genocide usually comes after the normalization of exclusion, and forcing them to out themselves, and arresting them if they don’t.
After that stuff, it’s armbands, and then “Take a train ride to this new work camp!”
We’re moving in that direction. That’s why we’re saying that word.
People thought the worries about Trump were overblown too, and look how that worked out. He bribed the Supreme Court into giving him immunity from the law. He’s turning the White House into a bunker. He started a war with a country with 90 million people. He started a trade war with every democratic country on earth. He lost the biggest oil shipping lane in the world. He can’t get it back without using nukes. The Epstein files are still more than half unreleased. Not a single man has been prosecuted for any crimes because of them. There is no plan to release the rest of the files. More victims have been named than perpetrators. This regime doesn’t JUST protect rich pedophiles and fraudsters, it also gives them pardons. Meanwhile he’s destroying our relationships with every free country on earth and giving favors to dictatorships. He openly glazes and admires places whose governments regularly brutalize innocent civilians.
If he just came out and told you straight up he’s a dictator and he won’t give up power and he wants to turn America into a dictatorship where rich people own and control everything and everyone else is literal slaves…
You’d say he was joking. Or that it was AI. Or that it was some kind of tactic to influence or manipulate one of our enemies. Or… whatever.
Your disregard for potential harm leads to him. It leads to people like him preying on your prideful ignorance and childish impatience, and using it to convince you to betray everything of value until you become an evil person without realizing it.
Just… stop. Look at a news source that they don’t want you to… for once. Ask your friends about what you found in it. See how they respond. See how you’ve become.
…
You are overflowing stuff so much that u make legitimate critics towards trump woch they are a lot seem unjustified.
He’s turning the White House into a bunker
how many shot fired near the white house recently ?
He started a trade war with every democratic country on earth
Famous democratic country like china yeah
He can’t get it back without using nukes
Yeah totally not overblow like analyse ty ty
The Epstein files are still more than half unreleased
Released more that the precedent admin. But totally agree on it should be more but i can t help to notice it wasnt an issue before he became president a second time.
Meanwhile he’s destroying our relationships with every free country on earth and giving favors to dictatorships
… as an european u never were a good allie. U always worked toward your interest. Trump didnt change anything regarding that.
Just… stop. Look at a news source that they don’t want you to… for once. Ask your friends about what you found in it. See how they respond. See how you’ve become.
Yeah shit are bad. But look at what you did and became that for the majority of the country he seem the reasonable solution. He win that election in a landslide. Your refusal to take accountability or to take into account any criticism put him in power.
Like that subject trans genocide are you serisous fr rn ? Cite me one law that discriminate trans that isnt based on factual scientific evidence ? A trans women will always be biologicaly a men and that s something 80% of the pop agree.
If you are a real person and not a propaganda bot, you sure do act a lot like a propaganda bot.
I think you need to put down the Fox News and Joe Rogan experience. You’ve had too much already lol
Lol I dont watch listen to any of these. But nice prpograming to believe ppl that hold the majority opinion must listen on a news chanel and a podcaster. Simply those nothing else. If we delete these tomorrow no ppl will ever hold thoses opinions
I get the womens rights angle but cis women have it pretty easy compared to trans women (and trans men).
Demanding an ‘exclusive female place’ is entitled and basically the cisfemale equivalent of white privilege. Especially when unisex facilities have existed for decades without incidence.
Pls tell me u aren’t serious or real
I get the womens rights angle but cis women have it pretty easy compared to trans women (and trans men).
Pls tell me how ? How is it fair by exemple for women to have to compete against biological men in their field when they are de facto disadvantaged agains them ?
Demanding an ‘exclusive female place’ is entitled and basically the cisfemale equivalent of white privilege.
LMAO give me one white privilege and one woman privilege always amased how trans activist are misogynistic than incels
Especially when unisex facilities have existed for decades without incidence.
That s a lie. Every time a protected women space got open to trans women, biological women were abused
Look I’m not going to waste a Sunday arguing with a horrible little troll bigot. Have a nice day 😅
u do you
Don be surprised when ppl think different from you if you can’t even answer simple question.
have a nice day
Why are you trying to get into female-exclusive places?
Cause I indentify as a female
Why the fuck do these perverts care so much about what people do in a bathroom? How fucking weird
A female colleague proclaims often loudly how disgusting she finds it to see a male colleague leave the unisex toilet at the office. I’ve asked her if those men are leaving a mess or what specifically was disgusting, and she says she just finds it gross that a man uses the same toilet.
I feel that the segregation is too engrained into our generation to move away from separated toilets. Honestly it’s a miracle we no longer have segregated toilets by skin color in the South.
People really do need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century
So how are these dipshits going to feel when a trans man uses the female toilet?
They’re going to feel great because that’ll give them another opportunity to harass transgender people.
They don’t feel. They’re not even human. They’re animals.
Dehumanization is a tool of oppression
So? They need to be oppressed. I think we should start talking a hell of a lot more about overtly stripping the rights from religious freaks and TERFs. Oppression is a tool of politics, and we’ve been unilaterally disarming ourselves for far too long.
We’re currently in a one-sided war. The bigots can tirelessly work to strip the rights of everyone else, and they can sit comfortably knowing that no one will ever come after their rights and their liberties. After all, good liberals like yourself don’t want to get their hands dirty, and they hem and haw and, cluck and peck at the ground, saying “wait, wait, we can’t stoop to their level. They go low, we go high!” Then they maintain the moral high ground while the lives of vulnerable minorities are destroyed one piece at a time.
Fuck that. Here’s an idea. Let’s declare conservative churches as inappropriate for children. Kids shouldn’t be exposed to the filth that’s in the Bible after all. There’s murder, bestiality, genocide, incest, and any number of disgusting things in that book. Maybe by law you should have to be 18 to read it. No more baptism for anyone under the age of 18. Hell, let’s not even allow kids in churches until age 16.
Or here’s an idea. Let’s declare denying your kid gender-affirming care to be legally child abuse. Frankly, this isn’t even a stretch. I want to see liberals pushing to take queer children out of the homes of religious bigots. There should be a form where kids can go online, out themselves as a queer kid living in a bigoted home, and have child protective services immediately come and find them a supportive place to live. Bigots don’t deserve to be parents.
Or how about we pass a law that says trans people can sue cis people who make them uncomfortable in bathrooms. Do you harass a trans person or confront them about being in the “right” bathroom? That trans person should be able to sue you for an absurd some plus attorneys fees for a violation of their rights.
We need to start stripping absolutely every right we can from these animals. This is the only way we will ever see the right stop trying to take away everyone else’s rights. Rights are meant to be a peace treaty - you let me live my life and I’ll let you live yours. The problem is right now, conservatives are fucking over everyone else’s lives, but no one is fucking with conservatives. I want them to feel the fear of their victims. Only then is there any hope of actually declaring a cease fire and ending this game of attacking rights of all sorts.
Is dehumanization a tool of oppression? You’re fucking right it is. And we have some people that are in dire need of oppression. Conservative Christians love to masturbate about being “oppressed.” It’s about damn time they learned what real oppression felt like.
I believe in treating people the exact same way as they treat others.
It is the most neutral stance you can have.
Animals have more empathy than these tools.
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… says Equality and Human Rights Commission
1984 Ministry of Truth type shit
Terf island at it again.
So, a bathroom ban for the entire UK?
Did you guys see the US speed running a regression arc and decide to try your hand at it?
Pretty much. I think we’re owned by the same media conglomerate as you guys, so it’ll be the same playbook
how about no more segregated toilets, full stop?
Wish granted. All toilets are open concept, no partitions.
being back Roman Shittatoriums I’ll bring the communal sponge
Why do gendered toilets exist anymore? It’s the 21st century and we don’t need them.
Did we ever need them?
It’s because of this people think girls don’t poop lol
No, we never needed gendered restrooms. IIRC it was established out of an abundance of caution when women started entering the general workforce in WWI. Men were concerned that women may need a place to rest away from men at work. It turns out women are fine and just need a stall to shit equal to everyone else.
In ww1 the men’s toilets consisted of a long urinal and a stall at the end to shit in. Society at the time thought it wasn’t appropriate for women to walk past a load of men with their dicks out to get to the one facility they could use.
Times are different now, though.
Its laughable when unisex toilets have existed for as long as they have.
Because peeing and defecating are kinda private activities. One involves the anus, the other involves genitalia. I mean I’m sure a woman wouldn’t want to go into a restroom and see guys with their dicks out peeing in urinals?
Guys don’t want to see that either. That’s why urinal etiquette exists.
Never thought I’d ask this but… how do I determine the gender of my toilet? And how do I confirm it’s cis-gendered?
Toilet have a cloaca as long as they haven’t been neutered. To check the gender, slip your arm up the P-trap and feel for the glands. You’ll know what a dick feels like.
Most domesticated toilets are neutered at birth to prevent overpopulation and damage to the local sewage ecosystems.
You ask it nicely
Bzzt, wrong! You gotta barge into the stall and demand to see its equipment, outing yourself as a creep.
It’s like you didn’t even study for the fascist test, honestly.
Didn’t even know I was taking the fascist test. In that case I’d say barge in and pull the toilet’s pants down to check.
All of this is solved with just using more single occupancy bathrooms. Just an open hallway with rooms and toilets and changing stations. Sinks in the hallway.
Not allowed. I’ll copy from another post:
No, there’s already rules in place from the previous government which says that all new builds and buildings euch are changing their use must have separate, sex-segregated toilets, unless the building is physically too small for anything other than a single room with a single toilet and sink. You can have gender-neutral toilets as well but not instead
That’s stupid
That’s anti-trans bigotry for you
So make the toilets as outlined above, but on the last two doors in the row mark one male and one female.
Yeah. The minority of loud stupid/paid people who care about this really are the ones who should be inconvenienced. If you want a gendered bathroom then there’s an outbuilding you can use. It’s on one plot so technically we’re still within code.
I’m far from an expert on this, but my understanding is that that could work, but it could also fall foul of other building regs, specifically the H&S regulations of 1992, which talk about toilets being suitable and sufficient
In my inexpert opinion it’d be enough of a grey area that you could challenge it in court if you were told it wasn’t allowed. In practical terms, no company is likely to do this unless they were specifically trying to take it to court to challenge the law or bring it more public agenda
But it’s s good idea and I’d support any company that tried it
All single toilets are sex-segregated if you enter alone and close the door.
Your sex is on one side of the door, all other sexes are on the other.
The issue only happens when you attempt to write a sign that predicts the sex, or if more people have to take a shit together in the same room.
As the law stands at the moment, if you’re building a new non-domestic building or changing the function of an existing building and you have three toilets, each of which is a single room containing one individual toilet and a sink and which can be locked from the inside, then cannot all be accessible to everybody. One must be exclusively for women and one for men. And, as per the new guidence, which one someone can use is solely to be determined by what gender they were assigned at birth
Yes, it’s incredibly stupid, but that’s what the law currently says
As a parent of two, this is best for the kids they claim to worry about. It makes potty training much less stressful
This is not a bad consequence, better for all of us, even if the trigger is fear and spite
I thought that toilets were a primarily a public health concern. If they are not provided then unfortunate things start happening in secluded corners.
Isn’t that the goal here? Exclude people from toilets. They have to pee elsewhere. Arrest them for public urination or “indecent exposure”. Maybe put them on some kind of sex offender list like the Americans are doing for people caught urinating in public. Spread fear about “trans sex offenders”.
I’m sure you are right. There is a lot of weirdness around this. No one argues that gay people can’t use toilets (at least not yet). Picking on trans people is really pretty much that, misplaced prejudice.
That sounds eerily plausible 😥
