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Thiel is an accelerationist, therefore his pet is too
thiel the anti-christ, called on JD to reap the popes soul.
“I think there are things about the world that make feel like not shocked if the Antichrist was walking among us,” Vance added.
Oh, you’re so close, J D
This is Peter Thiel’s ideology, almost verbatim.
They’re both on the Antichrist’s side
Fascinating enough, this might be actually “ok” by they are in the accelerationist camp, then the anti christ is a good thing. They think the world is beyond saving and thus the faster the end times come, the better.
Which is ironically so far from the text of the religion that one might even call it antichristianity
I feel like I’m going full-circle around from my crises of faith into feeling exactly that way
From my experiences growing up in a religious family that was complicit/adjacent to this mindset, I am all but convinced this is exactly what they feel
He’s only VP because Thiel interceded for him…
Closer than most physically, but so far from realization.
committing global genocide for something that isn’t real certainly is… a choice.
Hasn’t that always been the endgame for White Christian Nationalists?
i had an interesting conversation with someone who i had viewed as a mentor growing up. we both walked away wondering where we’d lost the other one. in summary we were talking about deepwater horizon, as it was current news at the time. they mentioned that the world had to basically be destroyed before jesus came back so why bother. i told them in the language of the cult we’d been raised together in that weren’t we supposed to take care of the environment? (and everyone clapped i’m sure, we were blocking half an aisle in costco).
but like, if i could rip a bandaid and make everything as magical as they believe it will be, i’d go for it. just, shit ain’t squeeze that way.
I hate that cult, almost as much as Squeak. I think Cristianity needs to be destroyed before sanity can come back, I’d outright ban it.
Why can’t they do everyone a favor and pull a Heaven’s Gate? At least those guys didn’t want to make everyone suffer with them.
Because in order for their belief system to be passed down though generations, they had to make suicide a sin. Otherwise they would actually kill themselves to get to Heaven more quickly.
I have known Evangelicals who refused medical treatment because they were “ready to be with Jesus.”
… and any other color of Christian, for that matter. It’s not just the white ones that read Revelation.
Religion should disqualify a person from anything above a janitor.
Janitor, depending on the work place have contract with children. So maybe not
I thought children can’t sign contracts
Looks like they can now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_labor_in_the_United_States#21st_century
Religious people make up a large portion of the dipshits who don’t believe in stuff like germ theory…for instance Kennedy and Kegsbreath, do you want them in charge of sanitation?
I’ve known plenty of religious people who were pretty decent folk. But no-one who makes decisions that impact others should be letting their beliefs influence those decisions. I’d rather they rolled a fuckin dice.
Let’s not pretend he believes anything he says.
Upvoted but you really should take them at face value on the revelations talk. They’re not fucking joking.
edit: JD might be lying (IMO he’s not) but his audience believe it 100% and they’re being stoked towards violence at the institutional level https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)
When I say take them at face value, it’s cuz we’re talking about people who literally believe God will call them to genocide you. IYKYK
He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist. He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do. Rolling coal, probably do some nuclear sabre rattling, do some ethnic cleansing sort of thing, you know.
He’s not talking about what he believes, he’s a nihilist
Respectfully disagree based on my personal experience being raised in a church that was very focused on revelations. IMO you’d have to grow up believing it yourself to understand.
He’s saying what would have to be true to justify what he plans to do.
Yea their logic is circular but I promise you they fucking believe this shit.
Barring specific evidence to the contrary, both Occam & Halon’s razers apply here. It is both a simpler explanation that he believes the scriptures in his religion AND there is no malice required for stupidity to explain what he’s saying.
I’m not saying JD is above lying to his followers and faking faith. But I am saying that I don’t think he’s smart enough to do that and he’s probably 100% serious.
This revelations talk is conditioning them towards violence.
I can respectfully disagree on that, I doubt we disagree on how dangerous he is.
Not someone who grew up in one of those churches, but please don’t sleep on the previous person’s comment. Whether or not couch fucker believes what he says, there are more than enough idiots in their inner circle that do believe it (or are at least willing to go with it for the power) for that not to matter. And even side stepping on whether or not the people in the inner circle believe it, a fuck ton of stupid americans in bumblefuck USA absolutely do and are more than willing to partake in violence and justify it with religion or end times rhetoric, and will likely support them while they violate every maxim of christianity.
And just to tie in a very large media story, the Nat-Cs believe that the end times will come when the jews finally have their homeland back. So support for Israel can be drummed up in bumblefuck USA by tying this to the bible and making people thing that supporting Israel in their genocide is something akin to a crusade and something that god wants them to do.
And friend, if you don’t think they can control how a large swath of stupid christians think, look into what they thought of abortion back in the 50s and 60s, and how quickly sentiment turned when the right turned abortion into their culture war wedge issue.
If you think I’m sleeping on anything, I haven’t explained my position clearly. I will try: I studied psychology and I understand how dark triad personalities interact with authoritarian followers, and I saw the present dangers well enough to leave the country half a decade ago. Yes while Biden was still in office, yes during a pandemic with a toddler in tow. I saw all of this coming. Escape if you can, I don’t know when the story ends but it isn’t a happy ending. I know how they tick, and I know the history of how we got to this point. Quick math, shit is fucked. The empire is fucked, and maybe it could have been saved in a thousand small ways over hundreds of years, but it wasn’t and here we are.
My only point originally was that Vance is, in my opinion, not a true believer. Just like Trump, whose only belief is that “I am the shit”; I don’t think Vance even believes that, I think he’s a cynical lowlife fuck who will say anything to get what he wants because he used to be poor and now all he wants is to feel powerful and safe no matter who it hurts. Probably his wife is cut from the same cloth, on paper she looks smarter than him but probably compromised to feel safe. He could have had an ounce of class consciousness, empathy, or personal integrity, but instead he just sucks a fat shit every chance he gets. He’s spent his entire tenure as VP being Trump’s heel, looking bad whenever Trump needs someone to pull aggro. Vance thinks he can play Wormtongue and wait for his chance to wield power. Dude was an atheist (when honesty cost him nothing) and hell, he might be the only motherfucker who converted to Catholicism in all of 2019. I’ve got his number, Vance is no true believer, he is a poseur down to his core.
His followers mostly are true believers, sure. Of course. If Trump told them the sky was communist, they’d say “how high?”. They’re idiots, or in academic language “authoritarian follower-type personalities”. They compartmentalise their beliefs, exhibit relatively low logic and memory with regard to how badly their beliefs work as predictive models, and they avoid introspection like the plague (if MAGA cultists could be relied upon to avoid plagues, that is). They live to be told who the enemy is, how the enemy are not as human, and they delight to hear how badly the enemy is suffering whether it is true or not. That’s all they really care about is to be told “the bad guys are dying and they suck, yay!”
I see the danger, and I see them in high resolution clarity. I don’t even know what the newest absurdly beyond-human-perception screen format is called these days, but it’s that.
Absolutely. I think his personal beliefs are not the dangerous part here. Its the beliefs of his cristo-fascist followers he’s tapping into that worry me.
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You are 100% correct these people mean what they say.
They will smile at you as they say it and act friendly. But don’t think they won’t sacrifice or enslave you and anyone else who isn’t “them” if they could get away with it and increase their power.
Exactly. Vance says whatever he thinks will make him more popular. Always has, always will.
Like I’m not moving the goalposts here, but JD believing what he’s saying is irrelevant. He’s using coded language that is well understood in Christian circles. https://streamable.com/2yj2tj (Link valid until 41 hours after this post. Download and share plz)
My real point, as someone raised in those circles, is that you should really fucking believe them when they tell you who they are.
And they’re also talking with a lot of people in Israel who really believe in that language too. Texas ain’t sending red heifers to Israel for beef.
texas ain’t sending red heifers to Israel for beef.
I’m almost afraid to ask but what new hell is this?
Long story short, a perfect red heifer is needed to purify clergy in order for the 3rd temple to be consecrated. The only problem is that there’s kinda an important mosque sitting where that temple would be.
Mike Johnson also all tied up in this.
3rd temple
boy they really get into the apoca-fan-fic…
and of course Johnson is wrapped up in it, he’s dumber than a box of rocks.
thanks for the deets
So let’s say there was a huge crater there… That would stop this madness, right? /s
I think he might, but one way or another, it’s irrelevant. That’s the narrative he’s selling and pushing for. The consequences of that narrative are real regardless of his beliefs.
He went from atheist to Catholic in like 2019.
Look, I understand the concern.
But these guys are actually a death cult. Just like Nazis were. Maybe we should, you know, point out that the rapists are murderers too.
Yeah, and that starts with holding them to account, there doesn’t work if
So stop defending President pedophile
The fuck you on about? Its not just a distraction from the Epstein Files.
They are trying to cause mass death. This isn’t something I’m pulling out of thin air. They are child rapists AND they are genocidal maniacs. Two things CAN be true.
If anyone is defending them you are by saying that we should only focus on child abuse.
Picture needs more germs.
If you support bringing the end times, you are supporting the anti-christ according to their religion. Therefore they’re going to be the ones left behind and headed for however many thousand years in hell until their god hits the reset button. Idiots can’t even keep themselves on any side of their own religion.
and people wonder why I despise of religious folk in charge
hes a faux chatholic, became one to get elected by appalachians apparently. and he was handpicked by anti-christ thiel.
I was born here and grew up here and I can tell you with no doubt that this place is far right wing evangelical. So far right that Asheville has the center for Billy Graham’s cult and Ridgecrest. No they think Catholics are not Christian. I really have no idea why he converted to Catholicism other than he is willing to change his face to get what he wants.
Vance is whatever he’s told to be. He holds no convictions beyond what his handlers approve.
Historically Catholics would follow the opinion of Rome (the pope) but he is trying to create an “American Catholic” opinion for them to follow instead. Global religions are a risk to any authoritative government. They can’t control their influence as easily.
Which is funny because Appalachia doesn’t like catholicism. That’s pentecostal country
He doesn’t get that if there is an end time where each gets what is deserved, he will be going directly to hell, no pass go, no collect anything.
We’ve known for years that these Nationalist Christians wanted to bring about the end times, they’re just finally at the point where they can finally say it out loud and not have to tap dance around it.
Fucking Nat-Cs, always have to make the world worse so they can get to the end of their fairy tale (despite knowing that they’ll be left behind because they are the most unchristian people of all)…
I’m generally fine with their arrogant LARPing, so long as it remains on some compound in Texas or whatever. Taxpayer money going to find out that a religion has missed its 9 millionth End Times prediction in an unironic effort to make their god do things on their schedule is some tremendous BS.
Like in the Bible? Because that’s not real
You know that and I know that but a truly shocking number of ostensibly responsible adults … don’t
You know here in Australia, people have tried to “cure” religions they don’t agree with. White people have tried to exterminate Aboriginal religions. Because these religions were seen as dangerous and primitive.
Personally, I think taking people’s religions away from them on a massive population level is genocide. Aboriginal Australians have faced genocide for their religion. And to Me, this meme looks like a call to genocide.
To me it really doesn’t look like a call to genocide. In a democracy like Australia, religion is being defeated gradually by education, rational debate, and mockery when all else fails.
White people have tried to exterminate Aboriginal religions. Because these religions were seen as dangerous and primitive.
That was ethnic cleansing using religion as an excuse. That’s not the same as doing away with religion. If your actual target is religion there’s no reason to mistreat people.
There’s no way to destroy cultural beliefs without mistreating people.
Who says you have to destroy cultural beliefs? The issues with religion are behavioral.
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Oh, you’re doing this kind of thing huh? Well, speaking of bad behaviors… bye.
They don’t know what the end times actually is/entails.
If you ask them for a proper explanation they can not answer beyond the fairy tale that they are taught.
But a specific thing grounded in reality they can not point to, and if they’re called evil for wanting harm on millions of people you can see them think “how do I declare the victims to be evil?”.I’m convinced there currently are some in the US government who are so delusional that they think they in-person are one of the four horsemen personified…
Even worse, they don’t even have a decent definition of “God”. If they say something like that they worship “the God of Abraham” or “Yahweh” or “Jehovah”, that’s about as good as they can do to actually describe “God”, just giving it a name.
If you ignore names and just ask them to describe “God” by its attributes, and get really into details, you’ll find that no two Christians believe in the same god, and in fact, somehow, the “God” they describe will closely reflect their own beliefs more than anything else.
what the end times actually is
You do understand all these books by enslaved Bronze-age peasant tribes are made up… right??!
This is like saying someone doesn’t understand what the true nature of the Aveda Kevadra curse is. Or the true taste of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow man. IT’S FANFIC
Christians will be happy with a close approximation just as long as they can make sure it’s everyone else that’s fucked.
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US Evangelism is a doomsday cult.
And JD Vance is a Catholic, but is obviously pandering to their death cult base
he’s a catholic who disagrees with the pope and married an indian. I strongly suspect he’s more of a generic chirstian at heart and not beholden in any way to big C catholocism.
Goa is a very Catholic region in India, I think you meant to specify Hindu, not Indian.
is she from Goa and a catholic?
So you were just being racist? She’s from San Diego and a Hindu, the actual problem.
He’s not any of those things. He’s a power hungry grifter. All the Christian talk is for the marks.
yeah, he’s a human flag that blows whichever direction lines up with the current madness
And a red one at that.
well put
100%, without question.
Its not a doomsday cult. Its a death cult. Its far worse.They worship death not Armageddon.I was wrong. Doomsday cults are scarier.
Nope. The other way around. They’re all praying for the Rapture and the 2nd coming…which all goes hand-in-hand with the end of the world. Heaven on Earth can’t happen until God wipes the world clean, leaving only the righteous to inherit what’s left.
This is why they support Israel unconditionally. Not because they love Jews…but because Jews need to return to Israel in order to start the final battle between good and evil. That’s how they interpret the Book of Revelations. It’s all Biblical end-times prophecy coming true, and they see it as their religious duty to make sure it all happens as predicted.
I stand corrected. I looked it up, and it is a doomeday cult. Death cults can very different . Its a type of death cult.
The zealots of Abrahamism all are.
Because MAGA hates this cunt, and he wants to run for president in 2028. He is going after a group even worse than MAGA - American faux Christians.
You know most of maga supporters also used to hate Trump right? He was a Democrat and best friends with the Clintons and a big city fat cat, they do not care about anything except what helps them spread hate more easily.
Republicans have always been evil, that’s why that’s been a pretty easy joke in a lot of media for decades. Republicans are demons, and its best we treat them that way in all aspects.
Don’t worry they’ll start a propaganda praising him all maga sheeple’s would vote for him again.
The poll results are controlled by big tech now.
Faux Christian is the perfect nomenclature. I was raised in a Christian household and my parents are super surprised that I hold christian ideals as important. Super radical ideals like feeding hungry people and healhthcare (no different from any major religion i.e. 5 pillars of islam) while not being a christian myself.
MAGA hates him?
